Prophecy Teachers

[miknik5]

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

“But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:10 (KJV 1900)

“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:11 (KJV 1900)

etc., etc.

Yes. When HE comes, HE will teach you all things...for HE will take from me and give to you.

How do you think we can even know the hidden things of GOD, if not by the mind of CHRIST...for I believe you left off that portion of the scriptures which you just quoted...

 

[miknik5]

If they were Christ's body of believers, they were the Church. Hebrews 11 lists the born again showing their faith.

Would you mind explaining the last two lines of Hebrews 11...and along with that, can you keep in mind Peterś words about how the SPIRIT of CHRIST prophecied in even the OT saints

Please refer to 1 peter 1

 

[miknik5]

Jerry Falwell and other Dispensationalists say God has the Church and the Jews who are saved in different ways. I'm not well versed on this yet so I suggest a search of the topic on the internet.

they weren´t and won´t be saved in a different way. Those OT saints were raised up when HE led captivity captive in HIS train...
CHRiST emptied out that captivity when HE went to preach in THE SPIRIT...
They had been waiting for the PROMISE...and GOD is not unjust...HE went back and redeemed those who had been waiting for THE PROMISE...

Today, all will come in by FAITH in CHRIST JESUS.

Just as Romans says, the Jews eyes have been blinded for a time until the full number of the gentiles is complete...but GOD will, in the final days, reopen the eyes of HIS FIRST LOVE, and they will look upon HIM whom they have pierced and mourn as for an only son...

For HE alone is the ONLY SON and the PROMISE of GOD to all men...

 

[Dave-L]

Would you mind explaining the last two lines of Hebrews 11...and along with that, can you keep in mind Peterś words about how the SPIRIT of CHRIST prophecied in even the OT saints

Please refer to 1 peter 1

“And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.” Hebrews 11:39–40 (KJV 1900)

Abraham and others saw Canaan as a symbol of heaven through born again eyes. The carnal minded Jews and "Christians" see the symbols as the promise. And walk by sight trusting in the symbols, not knowing they are symbols.

“PETER, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,” 1 Peter 1:1 (KJV 1900)

= 1 From Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ.
To God’s ·chosen [elect] people who are ·away from their homes [exiles; temporary residents; refugees; foreigners] ·and are scattered [of the Diaspora/Dispersion; an analogy to the Jewish people scattered around the known world since the Babylonian exile] all around Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia [Call located in Asia Minor, present-day Turkey].


Longman III, T., Strauss, M. L., & Taylor, D. (2009). The Expanded Bible: New Testament (1 Pe 1). Nashville; Dallas; Mexico City; Rio de Janeiro; Beijing: Thomas Nelson.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes. When HE comes, HE will teach you all things...for HE will take from me and give to you.

How do you think we can even know the hidden things of GOD, if not by the mind of CHRIST...for I believe you left off that portion of the scriptures which you just quoted...

You must have the Holy Spirit before you can believe. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. If you believe, it is evidence God saved you or else you could not believe.

 

[garee]

When Crossnote quoted Jesus saying "I will build My church" (Matthew 16:18).....he was pointing out the fact that Jesus had not started building it yet. Its one of many verses that show us that the Church (Bride of Christ) was "hidden from the past generations" but is now born and active. Jesus started the church shortly after He said "I will build My church".

You made a comment: "Peter wasn't the rock, it was the statement Peter made". You are absolutely right!
The statement Peter made="You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" is the rock (foundation) on which Jesus would build His church.
The name of Jesus (as the Christ and the Son of God) was not yet publicly known. So the church could not have existed yet because Jesus had not spread that message (that He is the Christ) yet. Do you see what I'm saying?

The word "it" used twice in the verses (16-17) is the rock of acknowledgement or the key that loosens and binds the gates of hell .The gospel key .The corner stone on which is built all of the lively stones that does make up the spiritual house the Christ .It is two fold binds and loosens. It began to do its work building the body of believers with Abel .

Moses is used in a old testament parable using the Rock to give us the gospel before hand. The same power that did reveal to Peter that in which flesh and blood could never.

 

[miknik5]

“And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.” Hebrews 11:39–40 (KJV 1900)

Abraham and others saw Canaan as a symbol of heaven through born again eyes. The carnal minded Jews and "Christians" see the symbols as the promise. And walk by sight trusting in the symbols, not knowing they are symbols.

“PETER, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,” 1 Peter 1:1 (KJV 1900)

= 1 From Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ.
To God’s ·chosen [elect] people who are ·away from their homes [exiles; temporary residents; refugees; foreigners] ·and are scattered [of the Diaspora/Dispersion; an analogy to the Jewish people scattered around the known world since the Babylonian exile] all around Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia [Call located in Asia Minor, present-day Turkey].


Longman III, T., Strauss, M. L., & Taylor, D. (2009). The Expanded Bible: New Testament (1 Pe 1). Nashville; Dallas; Mexico City; Rio de Janeiro; Beijing: Thomas Nelson.

You do not even refer to the promise which would come through a person and not a piece of land,
This is the problem

 

[miknik5]

You must have the Holy Spirit before you can believe. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. If you believe, it is evidence God saved you or else you could not believe.

No. You must first be washed by the ONLY ONE who washes

 

[miknik5]

You must have the Holy Spirit before you can believe. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. If you believe, it is evidence God saved you or else you could not believe.

If you believe? If you believe what?

 

[Dave-L]

No. You must first be washed by the ONLY ONE who washes

Christ died for the elect, justifying us by his blood. Now God can save us, He gives us a new heart through the New Birth that believes and hates sin. So if you believe, you are blessed. Most cannot believe in Christ at a spiritual level.

 

[miknik5]

Christ died for the elect, justifying us by his blood. Now God can save us, He gives us a new heart through the New Birth that believes and hates sin. So if you believe, you are blessed. Most cannot believe in Christ at a spiritual level.

I have no idea what you are trying to explain to me.

NOW...GOD can save us?

 

[Dave-L]

You do not even refer to the promise which would come through a person and not a piece of land,
This is the problem

No, all the promises are yes in Jesus. The land = the whole world wherever the Church (Israel) is. And remains a symbol of the New Heavens and Earth.

 

[miknik5]

Christ died for the elect, justifying us by his blood. Now God can save us, He gives us a new heart through the New Birth that believes and hates sin. So if you believe, you are blessed. Most cannot believe in Christ at a spiritual level.

Actually, FIRST...washed by HIS blood, we are justified

 

[miknik5]

No, all the promises are yes in Jesus. The land = the whole world wherever the Church (Israel) is. And remains a symbol of the New Heavens and Earth.

Then GOD would not have had to say to Abraham to leave this land.

 

[Dave-L]

I have no idea what you are trying to explain to me.

NOW...GOD can save us?

Study the 5 points of Calvinism. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart.190548/

 

[Dave-L]

Then GOD would not have had to say to Abraham to leave this land.

How so. Does he tell you to leave earth?

 

[Dave-L]

Actually, FIRST...washed by HIS blood, we are justified

“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Romans 5:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

If you believe? If you believe what?

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

 

[miknik5]

How so. Does he tell you to leave earth?

Is this a question that requires an answer. How is this biblical

 

[miknik5]

“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Romans 5:9 (KJV 1900)

But you are now contradicting yourself.