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The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia.
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Interesting for sure just wondering I have a ever moving mind accuse me, is it your view that in verse 8-20 that Media = Morning and Persia = evening.... if so why didn't Danial keep it a secret as instructed in verse 8-26
Originally Posted by valiant
In Daniel 'covenant' always refers to God's covenant with His people. other Hebrew words are used for alliances and treaties. thus it is God or the Messiah who confirms covenant with God' s people. And this occurred when Jesus commenced His ministry
And as either God or the Anointed One (or even the people of the coming prince if the prince is seen as the one already described as coming, the Messiah) would fit adequately. That is the most reasonable translation and interpretation.
As there are no good grounds at all for dividing up the seventy sevens, to refer it to the antichrist is simply not on. It is a measure of desperation used to fit a theory.
Actually they did. Josephus said, 'the sedition destroyed the city, the Romans destroyed the sedition.' If you read his harrowing account you will discover that the murderous bands of Jews who had taken over the city fought and destroyed each other and brought the city to ruins. It is probable that they too set fire to the Temple to prevent its desecration by the Roman standards. And it was this destruction of the city which led to the cessation of sacrifices in the midst of the seventieth seven. But that doesn't suit what people want it to say. Why spoil a story with mere facts.
And this especially so as the prince is called nagid, which is almost always reference to a Jewish prince. Saul, David and Solomon nd Hezekiah were all called nagid.
And this especially so as the prince is called nagid, which is almost always reference to a Jewish prince. Saul, David and Solomon nd Hezekiah were all called nagid.
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Also there is a clue to confirm the timing of events in Daniel 9:26 to Rev 12:13-16 in the flood mentioned. Here's and old post I made that shows this....
The flood in the days of Noah were also symbolic of another spiritual flood prophesied here in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
When did the prince of this world come? John 14:30; “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."
When did the spiritual flood start? Revelation 12:13-16; “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."
This fleeing into the wilderness has to with the Abomination of desolation and destruction of Jerusalem, which begins the tribulation period of the Jews and also the days of vengeance Jesus mentioned here.... Luke 21:20-22 "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.[SUP]22 [/SUP]For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."
This is the spiritual flood of persecution and false doctrine by the Prince of this world that has been ongoing ever since Jesus was caught up unto God. But was all part of the judgments the Lord had proclaimed before hand in the prophets. And also in Luke 13:35 "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
I believe this is the same flood waters the Lord spoke of in Isaiah 54:7-9; “For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.”
The flood in the days of Noah were also symbolic of another spiritual flood prophesied here in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
When did the prince of this world come? John 14:30; “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."
When did the spiritual flood start? Revelation 12:13-16; “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."
This fleeing into the wilderness has to with the Abomination of desolation and destruction of Jerusalem, which begins the tribulation period of the Jews and also the days of vengeance Jesus mentioned here.... Luke 21:20-22 "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.[SUP]22 [/SUP]For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."
This is the spiritual flood of persecution and false doctrine by the Prince of this world that has been ongoing ever since Jesus was caught up unto God. But was all part of the judgments the Lord had proclaimed before hand in the prophets. And also in Luke 13:35 "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
I believe this is the same flood waters the Lord spoke of in Isaiah 54:7-9; “For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.”
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Then it's safe to say that the two aren't about each other, unless it's written that morning is the same as media
and evening has the same meaning of Persia. Scripture doesn't flow from start to finish in order some verses are just placed in out of no where. My opinion either something was lost in between or something was left out.
and evening has the same meaning of Persia. Scripture doesn't flow from start to finish in order some verses are just placed in out of no where. My opinion either something was lost in between or something was left out.
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The Zealots were members of a first-century political movement among Judean Jews who sought to overthrow the occupying Roman government.
They weren't Jesus' people.They were obsessed with overthrowing the Romans, far from Jesus' outlook when he said, "render under Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and undo God the things that are Gods.
A second Jewish rebellion took place and was conquered by the Romans in 135.
Rabbi Akiva believed in the possibility that Simon bar Kokhba the leader of the rebellion could be the Jewish messiah.
They weren't Jesus' people.They were obsessed with overthrowing the Romans, far from Jesus' outlook when he said, "render under Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and undo God the things that are Gods.
A second Jewish rebellion took place and was conquered by the Romans in 135.
Rabbi Akiva believed in the possibility that Simon bar Kokhba the leader of the rebellion could be the Jewish messiah.
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i don't agree with his interpretation of 'the people of the prince who is to come'...but i do agree with him that the messiah is the one who establishes the covenant...
i think the prince who is to come was a roman emperor...and then of course the people would be the romans...but the prince who is to come does not establish the covenant...the messiah does that...
i think the prince who is to come was a roman emperor...and then of course the people would be the romans...but the prince who is to come does not establish the covenant...the messiah does that...