Prophecy

[InSpiritInTruth]

Go to them that buy and sell Ken, and see if you can get some oil in that lamp.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

[KennethC]

I didn't leave anything off, the verse says confirm the covenant with many for one week, not that the covenant only lasts one week. Somehow you can't seem to grasp that concept of a time period of confirmation, not the length of a everlasting covenant. Good grief!

Yes you do because there is two problems to how you look at this;

1) The scripture says the covenant is confirmed/established for one prophetic week = 7 years

2) The Lord's earthly ministry did not last 7 years

So either way this still can not be the new covenant the Lord brought in because neither His earthly ministry nor the new covenant lasted 7 full years.

Then you have the issue of the daily sacrifice;

1) The daily sacrifices by the Jews did not stop at Jesus crucifixion, they stopped 37 years later only because the temple was destroyed

2) The A.O.D. is not the destruction of the temple, and Titus did not set up the abomination then.

I am not grasping at nothing when the scripture clearly says how long the covenant is established for, and it says one week/7 years !!! So you do continue to try and leave the one week off...............

 

[KennethC]

Go to them that buy and sell Ken, and see if you can get some oil in that lamp.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

I don't do wickedly so once again you are bearing false witness !!!

 

[Is]

The scriptures do not say the covenant only lasts 7 years, that's your misrepresentation of the scriptures. That verse says "He shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week." It does not say it only lasts 7 years as you imply, that's your own twisting of the text.

And here's a new flash for ya, a Covenant is not in effect until the death of the Testator, which is Jesus Christ's death. So your theory that the Covenant mentioned could not be the New Covenant because Jesus was cut off before that time is bogus, as it also shows your lack of understanding.

Hebrews 9:14-17[SUP]14 [/SUP]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

It's a well established fact that a week is "seven years".

 

[Is]

It says He shall Confirm the Covenant with many for one week, it does not suggest the Covenant only lasts 7 years, HELLO! LOL

The sacrifices and oblations end "in the midst of the week" so that only leaves another 3 1/2 years.

 

[Is]

That's right, Jesus established the covenant in his disciples as I showed you by the scriptures above. But nowhere does that verse say this covenant only lasts 7 years, THAT'S YOUR TWIST.

It clearly says it is conifirmed "for one week.

Webster's dictionary

for..used as a function word to indicate purpose.

 

[Is]

I didn't leave anything off, the verse says confirm the covenant with many for one week, not that the covenant only lasts one week. Somehow you can't seem to grasp that concept of a time period of confirmation, not the length of a everlasting covenant. Good grief!

Websters Dic.

confirm.....to give approval to: ratify

 

[flob]

right------------made for 7 years as part of its terms.
(Someone surprised me recently by saying the Oslo Accords, for example, had a duration of 7, or whatever, years,
as their length at the Outset.)
Anyway, the son of perdition, will himself interrupt his own covenant at 3 1/2 years.
But regardless: he will only have 3 1/2 years left before destruction,
the composite of the 5th and the 7th Roman kings of Rev 17

 

[Is]

I don't do wickedly so once again you are bearing false witness !!!

You need to ignore this person! That's what I'm gonna do.

 

[KennethC]

It clearly says it is conifirmed "for one week.

Webster's dictionary

for..used as a function word to indicate purpose.

WOW !!!

There is 3 threads going right now debating this same scripture in Daniel 9:27, and the issue that remains in them all is how those who look at this passage the wrong way continue to try and leave off the "for one week" part.

If they would actually open their mind and do a history study, and I even provided a link in the past to help them, they would see a prophetic week is 7 years. They want to stick with following those other teachings that is their choice, but the bible shows that we are to be open minded and not act as more wise then others.

 

[KennethC]

You need to ignore this person! That's what I'm gonna do.

They were decent at one time as they were in another thread speaking against the same attitude they are showing to me now. I don't know why they switched to being this way, but yes I will have to if the false allegations don't stop !!!

 

[blondieindahouse]

Yes you do because there is two problems to how you look at this;

1) The scripture says the covenant is confirmed/established for one prophetic week = 7 years

2) The Lord's earthly ministry did not last 7 years

So either way this still can not be the new covenant the Lord brought in because neither His earthly ministry nor the new covenant lasted 7 full years.

Then you have the issue of the daily sacrifice;

1) The daily sacrifices by the Jews did not stop at Jesus crucifixion, they stopped 37 years later only because the temple was destroyed

2) The A.O.D. is not the destruction of the temple, and Titus did not set up the abomination then.

I am not grasping at nothing when the scripture clearly says how long the covenant is established for, and it says one week/7 years !!! So you do continue to try and leave the one week off...............

Is this a preterist you are debating with?

 

[KennethC]

right------------made for 7 years as part of its terms.
(Someone surprised me recently by saying the Oslo Accords, for example, had a duration of 7, or whatever, years,
as their length at the Outset.)
Anyway, the son of perdition, will himself interrupt his own covenant at 3 1/2 years.
But regardless: he will only have 3 1/2 years left before destruction,
the composite of the 5th and the 7th Roman kings of Rev 17

That is one of the points that some do not understand, is that the man of sin when he comes on the scene the bible shows it will be with a false form of peace (covenant). The bible says he will even fool the elect if they do not heed to the teachings in the bible of what to look for.

For he is not going to come on to the scene right away persecuting and killing Jews and Christians. This happens after he breaks his covenant/treaty in the middle of those 7 years which starts the final 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation. This period of time the bible says will never be another time any worse then it.

Yet some will try and tell the GT has already happened, but this can not be possible because the bible shows this period lasts only 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days and then the Lord returns at the end of it ushering in God's wrath !!!

 

[dcontroversal]

I don't know why it is so hard to figure out.....1 week = 7 years.....the last half being 1335 days......(Daniel 12)

7 years times 360 days = 2520 days - 1335 = 1185 days<---the ministry of Jesus unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...they rejected Christ so they get to endure the last half 1335 days 1260 of that being the great tribulation.....

7 years of confirmation to Israel!

 

[KennethC]

Is this a preterist you are debating with?

I don't know what their denomination is !!!

 

[Is]

Here's a thought. The Messiah is dead the city and the sanctuary have been destroyed, and then here comes the "he" LOL and confirms a covenant for one week.

It looks like to me it presupposes that another Temple has been built. How can "he" cause the sacrifices and oblations to cease unless there is a Temple?

 

[Is]

They were decent at one time as they were in another thread speaking against the same attitude they are showing to me now. I don't know why they switched to being this way, but yes I will have to if the false allegations don't stop !!!

Kenneth, The false allegations are one thing. If you let them they will run you in circles, and, that is just what they are doing.

I personally hate to have to keep repeating my self over and over on the same point.

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth, The false allegations are one thing. If you let them they will run you in circles, and, that is just what they are doing.

I personally hate to have to keep repeating my self over and over on the same point.

I do to because going around and around with others when the scripture is clear cut, and they still want to try and bend it to fit another teaching just gets to me.

I don't like arguing or even debating, but the Holy Spirit that guides my walk in the faith will not let me sit back and let misuse of the word go like that. I am saddened with those who are weak or new in the faith who come here and see bad teaching and accept it as truth !!!

 

[Is]

I do to because going around and around with others when the scripture is clear cut, and they still want to try and bend it to fit another teaching just gets to me.

I don't like arguing or even debating, but the Holy Spirit that guides my walk in the faith will not let me sit back and let misuse of the word go like that. I am saddened with those who are weak or new in the faith who come here and see bad teaching and accept it as truth !!!

I feel if the Holy Spirit wants them to get it they will. It's getting late see you tomorrow. Sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bite!

 

[flob]

Here's a thought. The Messiah is dead the city and the sanctuary have been destroyed, and then here comes the "he" LOL and confirms a covenant for one week.
It looks like to me it presupposes that another Temple has been built. How can "he" cause the sacrifices and oblations to cease unless there is a Temple?

Exactly......Israel will build a temple.
Similar to: Israel became a nation, In Israel, 1948.
Israel possessed Jerusalem, 1967.

Daniel also 'presupposes' that Messiah will resurrect.
Resurrection is mentioned emphatically in Dan 12.

the man of sin when he comes on the scene the bible shows it will be with a false form of peace (covenant). The bible says he will even fool the elect if they do not heed to the teachings in the bible of what to look for.
For he is not going to come on to the scene right away persecuting and killing Jews and Christians.

So by 'false form' you mean that he, like all politicians, cannot guarantee peace; or that he's intending to break his covenant?
Any peace that is not the Lord Jesus is, by definition, false. Since Christ is reality.

In any case: it's not fake since..............for 3 1/2 years, Israel Does enjoy 'peace.' Which you, yourself, point out.

This happens after he breaks his covenant/treaty in the middle of those 7 years which starts the final 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation. This period of time the bible says will never be another time any worse then it.

Or as it also is known: The Tribulation.

Yet some will try and tell the GT has already happened, but this can not be possible because the bible shows this period lasts only 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days and then the Lord returns at the end of it ushering in God's wrath !!!

This is one point we disagree. I understand that the whole Tribulation includes God's wrath. For example, God Uses the beast and 10 kings to destroy the woman, the harlot, Catholicism. She's not a harlot because she's pagan, she's a harlot because she mixes pagan things with things of Christ. She is the same woman in Mt 13 and in Rv 2. Jezebel. The false prophetess. Hiding leaven........within the pure meal offering. The Tribulation is a combination of 'both folks' wrath. Satan's (Rev 12) and God's (Rv 6). Of course The Great Tribulation (aka The Tribulation) hasn't happened yet. Daniel 9's last week (God's last week apportioned for Israel) hasn't happened yet. The Lord brought back those people ever since Zionism with Hertzl. (I saw his synagogue in Budapest.) God used WWII for this purpose