You may disagree with me if you want you have fee will but have you actually studied the Jweish wedding and what marriage was to embody and symbolize? This how I cam to better understand this verse, When Jesus was explaining this to the Jews he used parables they would relate to he did this method quite often with them/
Propitiation – The Sacrifice that Atoned
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I see no mystery here. Matthew 24 and 25 are about the tribulation to come and also to the end when Jesus comes for His beloved.
What symbolism may be there does not enhance the message. If you want to find some esoteric message there it certainly could not explain those parable any better than the plain language does. IMHO.
So what has this to do with propitiation.....the original topic.
What symbolism may be there does not enhance the message. If you want to find some esoteric message there it certainly could not explain those parable any better than the plain language does. IMHO.
So what has this to do with propitiation.....the original topic.
Then allow me to explain it to you, He chose this particular parable because he was speaking to them in terms they would understand such as the Jewish wedding traditions, weddings and marriage are a symbolism of the bride of Christ who is the groom, everyone attending were not invited they refered to it instead as being called but even those called could not or would not always attend the wedding and even then only a certain amount of people were able to go to the wedding who were called chosen.
The white grarments they wore represented the purity and holiness in the matrimony a love of purity by God union established for eternity this also was to represent a blessing by God in the unionhowever the bride would before seeing the groom hide in her chamber they were not allowed to see each other until the marriage officially began this to some people represents the church as the bride of Christ being in a safe place of keeping until the marriage of the lamb that however is debatable.
But being called to the wedding is a very big honor in itself and so anyone who came who wasn't invited was actually treated very harshly because it is a very sacred and holy ritual refusing the call was also seen as very offensive it was a huge dishonor to do so.
This is how he chose to exrpess the wedding of the lamb and also when it comes to salvation in the kingdom it is not just about the end times in fact it really has nothing to do with the tribulation what it has to do with is the wedding of the lamb those who are his called and chosen those who refuse his calling to be at the wedding( being saved and those who would try to enter the kingdom by other means other than the one true salvation that is Jesus Christ this goes for those who are Christian by title rather than Christian by heart.
The reason I mentioned the symbolism was to show that scripture often times has more than pone meaning, to better understand the word you also must look at what they are refering to and in this case knowing the wedding tradition of the jewish people helps explain the meaning of the parable.
The white grarments they wore represented the purity and holiness in the matrimony a love of purity by God union established for eternity this also was to represent a blessing by God in the unionhowever the bride would before seeing the groom hide in her chamber they were not allowed to see each other until the marriage officially began this to some people represents the church as the bride of Christ being in a safe place of keeping until the marriage of the lamb that however is debatable.
But being called to the wedding is a very big honor in itself and so anyone who came who wasn't invited was actually treated very harshly because it is a very sacred and holy ritual refusing the call was also seen as very offensive it was a huge dishonor to do so.
This is how he chose to exrpess the wedding of the lamb and also when it comes to salvation in the kingdom it is not just about the end times in fact it really has nothing to do with the tribulation what it has to do with is the wedding of the lamb those who are his called and chosen those who refuse his calling to be at the wedding( being saved and those who would try to enter the kingdom by other means other than the one true salvation that is Jesus Christ this goes for those who are Christian by title rather than Christian by heart.
The reason I mentioned the symbolism was to show that scripture often times has more than pone meaning, to better understand the word you also must look at what they are refering to and in this case knowing the wedding tradition of the jewish people helps explain the meaning of the parable.
No I don't believe that at all, the word few when you first think about it seems like a very small amount but this number is to be in comparing to the whole world when you understand that he calls all of mankind but few are chosen because because not all will accept the invite.
There are at the moment cloe to 800 million people in the world at least according to the latest statistics whether that number is actually accurate or not I am not sure I am kind of skeptical about that but lets say that number is accurate and lets say that maybe 40% come to Christ that would equal 20000000 people at the wedding which compared to the calculated number is a relitavely small amount hence a few but compared to that amount it also is a really huge amount of people.
There are at the moment cloe to 800 million people in the world at least according to the latest statistics whether that number is actually accurate or not I am not sure I am kind of skeptical about that but lets say that number is accurate and lets say that maybe 40% come to Christ that would equal 20000000 people at the wedding which compared to the calculated number is a relitavely small amount hence a few but compared to that amount it also is a really huge amount of people.
Yes, I agree that even one verse can have more than one doctrinal point to it. HOWEVER, Mark 24 AND 25 are all part of the Olivet discourse in that following expound on the premise.
To say that some refused the call is to say that God is not omnipotent. The bible says NONE resist his will.
Romans 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, you foolish person, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?
If you are trying to prove that man has a will free from God's will, that is a dogma put forth by the Roman Catholic religion to enforce their decree to repent or perish during the Inquisition. The 2ndCouncil of Orange in 529 agreed on those doctrines that would look a lot like calvinism. That is because 'calvinsims' are the doctrines of the bible.
From WIKI........or look it up for yourself
The canons of the Second Council influenced the interpretation of Augustine in the later medieval Western Church, such as by Thomas Aquinas. Classical Protestantism affirms the theology of the Second Council of Orange and has appealed to its conclusions to make a case that the Lutheran and Calvinist doctrines of sola gratia, sola fide, solus Christus, and original sin as total depravity had already been taught much earlier than the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.
To say that some refused the call is to say that God is not omnipotent. The bible says NONE resist his will.
Romans 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, you foolish person, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?
If you are trying to prove that man has a will free from God's will, that is a dogma put forth by the Roman Catholic religion to enforce their decree to repent or perish during the Inquisition. The 2ndCouncil of Orange in 529 agreed on those doctrines that would look a lot like calvinism. That is because 'calvinsims' are the doctrines of the bible.
From WIKI........or look it up for yourself
The canons of the Second Council influenced the interpretation of Augustine in the later medieval Western Church, such as by Thomas Aquinas. Classical Protestantism affirms the theology of the Second Council of Orange and has appealed to its conclusions to make a case that the Lutheran and Calvinist doctrines of sola gratia, sola fide, solus Christus, and original sin as total depravity had already been taught much earlier than the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.
If you recall I told you that he does not force salvation on us he desires a willing child not a controlled one, if you force someone to follow and love you is that really even love and really even following? yet how much more precious is it whenb a child of God loves and follows him not because they are forced to but because they accepted his gift and fell in love with him?
This is why salvation is called a gift in scripture it is not a gift that is forced on us he gives us the decision to choose or not to accept.
This doesn't mean he is not all knowing but he did give us free will Jesus said decide for yourself who you will serve for a reason.
By your logic we have no say in the matter as if free will isn't even real and everything we do or don't do is based on a preset plan so no matter what we do we were either destined for hell or heaven.
Yet if this was true we wouldn't have the ability to choose ata ll yet you choose what you eat don't you or did God predecide what you would eat? when you pick out a gift for someone did you choose that gift or did God prededecide the gift for you? when you sin did you do this by your own decision or was that somehow God prechoosing what you do?
This is why salvation is called a gift in scripture it is not a gift that is forced on us he gives us the decision to choose or not to accept.
This doesn't mean he is not all knowing but he did give us free will Jesus said decide for yourself who you will serve for a reason.
By your logic we have no say in the matter as if free will isn't even real and everything we do or don't do is based on a preset plan so no matter what we do we were either destined for hell or heaven.
Yet if this was true we wouldn't have the ability to choose ata ll yet you choose what you eat don't you or did God predecide what you would eat? when you pick out a gift for someone did you choose that gift or did God prededecide the gift for you? when you sin did you do this by your own decision or was that somehow God prechoosing what you do?
As many as "the grains of sand in the seashore, and the stars in the sky" does not compute to the terminology of "a few"
Why would God use the word "few" when he states that they are so great in number, that they cannot be numbered?
My understanding of the harmony of the scriptures, is that the few has reference to the 144000, the remnant.
Why would God use the word "few" when he states that they are so great in number, that they cannot be numbered?
My understanding of the harmony of the scriptures, is that the few has reference to the 144000, the remnant.
I would agree with that to a point....the point being where my choices are not in accord with God's choices for me.
I could probably post 50 verses that show God's sovereignty over His created.
Eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Isaiah 14:24
The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Revelation 17:17
For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.
It is not a bad thing to be in the hands of Majesty.
I could probably post 50 verses that show God's sovereignty over His created.
Eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Isaiah 14:24
The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Revelation 17:17
For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.
It is not a bad thing to be in the hands of Majesty.
Unless the Believer keeps their Faith, by placing their Faith and maintaining it exclusively in Jesus Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross (which is The Atonement - The Blood of Jesus), their name will be blotted out of the "Book of Life." Be not deceived...we must take up our cross daily or you cannot be a part of Jesus Christ. The Cross (The Atonement - The Blood of Jesus) is the narrow way or you remove yourself from Christ. Matthew 7:14, Galatians 1:6
Repent! Come back to the Cross!
Repent! Come back to the Cross!
Yes but when he was saying this it was to abraham and again it was in the old covenant he also was speaking about his descendants which is why so many Jews refered to him as Father Abraham not only that but so do the arabs because the two sons he had one of his own wife Issac who was the first seed of the Israelite's
And his other son Ishmael who was the first seed of the arabs both his seed both call him father Abraham and so yes he does have the number of Children as God promised but this isn't speaking about those who would come to Christ
As for your understanding of the 144,000 this is an interesting thing to consider however this also is why understanding and discernment is needed. Jesus spoke in parables quite often but did so not to blenket the truth but to assure it by speaking to them in the manner they were accustomed every parable he spoke to them had to do with things they already did and knew such as the planting and harvesting the leaven and unleveaned bread the wedding he speaks of here.
To understand the term many are called but few are chosen you have to take the entire parable into account and is why picking out a verse a single verse to explain or prove any theory view or beleif is dangerous because it only shows part of the picture not the picture as a whole.
The parable is as follows the king who made a huge wedding banquet for his son who is Jesus sent his servants which is us the believers to call those who were fist called the Jews but the Jews have rejected the gospel and so he sent his servants to call the remnant what is left over from everywhere the gentiles who accepted the gospel and the man who was there without a wedding garment accepted the call but as I said was one who tried to enter the kingdom in other means that the salvation of Jesus Christ what is called and he was bound up and recieved the worst kind of demise.
Remember he began this parable with the kingdom of heaven is like so he was speaking to these people about the kingdom in terms they were already accustomed to, this is also the wedding of the lamb at the end of the end.
And his other son Ishmael who was the first seed of the arabs both his seed both call him father Abraham and so yes he does have the number of Children as God promised but this isn't speaking about those who would come to Christ
As for your understanding of the 144,000 this is an interesting thing to consider however this also is why understanding and discernment is needed. Jesus spoke in parables quite often but did so not to blenket the truth but to assure it by speaking to them in the manner they were accustomed every parable he spoke to them had to do with things they already did and knew such as the planting and harvesting the leaven and unleveaned bread the wedding he speaks of here.
To understand the term many are called but few are chosen you have to take the entire parable into account and is why picking out a verse a single verse to explain or prove any theory view or beleif is dangerous because it only shows part of the picture not the picture as a whole.
The parable is as follows the king who made a huge wedding banquet for his son who is Jesus sent his servants which is us the believers to call those who were fist called the Jews but the Jews have rejected the gospel and so he sent his servants to call the remnant what is left over from everywhere the gentiles who accepted the gospel and the man who was there without a wedding garment accepted the call but as I said was one who tried to enter the kingdom in other means that the salvation of Jesus Christ what is called and he was bound up and recieved the worst kind of demise.
Remember he began this parable with the kingdom of heaven is like so he was speaking to these people about the kingdom in terms they were already accustomed to, this is also the wedding of the lamb at the end of the end.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Eternal salvation is mentioned many many times throughout the bible but what isn't mentioned is a temporary salvation or a distinguished set of believers who can have it or not.
It would appear that way because people are not understanding the context of the scriptures who it is speaking about being spoken to and also what covanent they were in at the time.
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Eternal salvation is mentioned many many times throughout the bible but what isn't mentioned is a temporary salvation or a distinguished set of believers who can have it or not.
It would appear that way because people are not understanding the context of the scriptures who it is speaking about being spoken to and also what covanent they were in at the time.
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Let no man, woman, or preacher deceive you. NO ONE IS WALKING WITH GOD OUTSIDE OF FAITH IN THE CROSS!
The sentence of death must be written on the flesh-the power of the Cross must be entered into before we can steadily walk with God. Romans 8:2, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 1 Corinthians 2:2, Galatians 2:20-21, 6:14
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
The sentence of death must be written on the flesh-the power of the Cross must be entered into before we can steadily walk with God. Romans 8:2, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 1 Corinthians 2:2, Galatians 2:20-21, 6:14
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
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