Pros and Cons Speaking in Tongues

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BenFTW

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I definitely agree with this. And I would file this under experiential encounters with the Living God.

The only idea I would add is that encouraging (building up) and exhorting (stirring up) are focusing on the person. The word of knowledge many times connects to a person's heart, but the prophetic connects them to God's heart. My goal is to leave the person closer connected with the Living God.

Knowing things about a person that you can't know shows them God is among you, Scripture calls this the secrets of their heart. And when they know God among you the prophetic is you sharing what God is saying to them. Of course all of this needs to be in complete alignment with Scripture because Holy Spirit doesn't contradict Himself.

Many times I've shared Scriptures with people, but said it in a way that He tailors to their current life. And it's really cool to see how He uses it.

As far as tongues vs prophesy: We know 1 Co 12, 13, were written for the big build up on 1 Co 14. Because he tells us this, therefore I show you a more excellent way... what is this excellent way? Pursue love and desire spiritual gifts. Not either or, but both.

What's interesting about interpreting tongues is, he doesn't talk about it besides connecting it to prophesy. So I actually think prophesy is interpreting tongues. And I think that blows a lot of people's misunderstandings out of the water. It's not necessarily only, okay you see that guy in the white shirt over there? Here's what he's sayin' in tongues...

I think Paul's driving force is that we would do all things decently and in order. That means ALL things need to be done. And then we can focus on what they look like in order through the way of love.

C.
Absolutely! :p I've read before that there are three revelatory gifts, that being a word of knowledge, a word of wisdom, and prophecy. However, in thinking upon it, really tongues should be added to that list as it can encompass all three in one. Revelation is granted and then given for another persons edification.
 

Cee

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Absolutely! :p I've read before that there are three revelatory gifts, that being a word of knowledge, a word of wisdom, and prophecy. However, in thinking upon it, really tongues should be added to that list as it can encompass all three in one. Revelation is granted and then given for another persons edification.
I think they are all revelation gifts. They all reveal Christ! :)
 

notuptome

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so, undergrace, are you a cessationist?
A cessationist believes that all the gifts have ceased. A biblical Christian accepts that only three gifts have ended per 1 Cor 13:8.

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Cee

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This verse is talking about love (that's the perfect, not Scripture) not gifts. It makes no sense for 1 Co 13:8 to talk about gifts ending and then in 1 Co 14, Paul to say desire spiritual gifts and forbid no one to speak in tongues.

It's probably best to look for more than 1 Scripture to confirm itself before creating an entire theology out of it.

A cessationist believes that all the gifts have ceased. A biblical Christian accepts that only three gifts have ended per 1 Cor 13:8.

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Roger
 

BenFTW

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I think they are all revelation gifts. They all reveal Christ! :)
I suppose, in one way or another. lol VVhat do you believe the gift of faith is? I've heard it said it is faith for the moment, almost like an imparted faith for something someone might usually have doubt towards. So they are confident in the act that requires great faith. VVhat is your take?

I've heard one person say something that made me ponder. That the gift of faith is actually for evangelism and it literally is the gift of faith. VVhen they speak faith arises in the people towards the Gospel. For example, some people interpret the verse that speaks of the grace of God and faith being a gift of God as quite literal. That the faith, itself, was even a gift. Just a thought to ponder.
 

notuptome

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I hope/pray you do not tell that to God when He energizes the manifestation in you. You'd be missing out on a great benefit.

Here is where you make an arrogant assumption that I have never been energized by the Holy Spirit.

Not that I expect you to grasp the concept but the Holy Spirit fills for service to Christ many, many times. The Holy Spirit fills and edifies the hungry soul from the word of God when prayerfully sought.

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Cee

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In my opinion and experience, the gift of faith imparts faith into the listeners. I have desired this gift extensively because I believe faith is connected to experiencing God in a real way. And I want people to have encounters with Christ Jesus around me.

I suppose, in one way or another. lol VVhat do you believe the gift of faith is? I've heard it said it is faith for the moment, almost like an imparted faith for something someone might usually have doubt towards. So they are confident in the act that requires great faith. VVhat is your take?

I've heard one person say something that made me ponder. That the gift of faith is actually for evangelism and it literally is the gift of faith. VVhen they speak faith arises in the people towards the Gospel. For example, some people interpret the verse that speaks of the grace of God and faith being a gift of God as quite literal. That the faith, itself, was even a gift. Just a thought to ponder.
 

BenFTW

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In my opinion and experience, the gift of faith imparts faith into the listeners. I have desired this gift extensively because I believe faith is connected to experiencing God in a real way. And I want people to have encounters with Christ Jesus around me.
Have you ever experienced prophecy in an intimate way whereby the Lord or someone directed by the Lord, gave you prophecy about the future and it came to pass? If so, care to share a testimony?
 

Cee

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Have you ever experienced prophecy in an intimate way whereby the Lord or someone directed by the Lord, gave you prophecy about the future and it came to pass? If so, care to share a testimony?
Sure, but I don't want to derail this thead any further. Make a thread about it, you know you want to anyway :)
 

notuptome

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This verse is talking about love (that's the perfect, not Scripture) not gifts. It makes no sense for 1 Co 13:8 to talk about gifts ending and then in 1 Co 14, Paul to say desire spiritual gifts and forbid no one to speak in tongues.

It's probably best to look for more than 1 Scripture to confirm itself before creating an entire theology out of it.
Been over this many times. You are not interested in knowing the truth but have created your own revelation on the matter.

Biblical tongues are nothing like what goes on in the modern church.

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Roger
 

Cee

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Pot calling kettle black, considering you attack me because I suggest you to find additional Scripture for what you're teaching here. I have plenty to support what I believe. And the one you do use, doesn't make any sense, you are the one who has created his own revelation. And you attack what you do not understand instead of honoring the reward on their life.

Been over this many times. You are not interested in knowing the truth but have created your own revelation on the matter.

Biblical tongues are nothing like what goes on in the modern church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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Pot calling kettle black, considering you attack me because I suggest you to find additional Scripture for what you're teaching here. I have plenty to support what I believe. And the one you do use, doesn't make any sense, you are the one who has created his own revelation. And you attack what you do not understand instead of honoring the reward on their life.
So do the tongues you believe in are the same as Acts 2? You speak and everyone hears in their language?

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Wow!..I had no idea that knowledge was done away with. And yet we are to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Someone is confused.

1 Corinthians 13:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
 

Cee

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So do the tongues you believe in are the same as Acts 2? You speak and everyone hears in their language?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Great question. Yes I do.

And I also believe in tongues that look like this:

1 Co 14:1Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

And this:

13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. << Notice you need an interpreter. And your mind doesn't understand it.

And this:

23If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds? << Why would they think you're out of your mind if tongues is for other people to hear it? Hmm?

And this:

27If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. << Why does Paul say you need an interpreter if tongues is for other people to understand in their own language??

And this:

39So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

If you are "for Scripture".

WHY DO YOU FORBID PEOPLE TO SPEAK IN TONGUES?

Don't come at me and say I've created my own revelation. I follow Scripture.

C.
 
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In Cornelius household, the Corinthians and the Ephesians - it said simply that they spoke in other tongues. Who knows what the languages where?

I have heard many speak in all kinds of different tongues as well as myself and had no idea what language it was and couldn't care less actually. I am speaking mysteries to my Father with my spirit - giving praise top God, giving Him thanks and blessing Him, praying for others, edifying myself. That' more then enough reasons for me to continue.
 
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so, undergrace, are you a cessationist?
Sorry the only label I will half halfheartedly accept is Canadian and only cause it lets me travel.
Even then I prefer Italian-Canadian.
 
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A cessationist believes that all the gifts have ceased. A biblical Christian accepts that only three gifts have ended per 1 Cor 13:8.

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Roger
so will you be answering for her from now on?

you are not a biblical Christian if you preach a form of the gospel and yet leave out the Holy Spirit

be careful who you call what..

you seem to want to rubber stamp everyone according to your own understanding
 
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I am not clear on what you are saying. The gift of tongues is one of the volitional gifts, meaning it is something you actually initiate. People with the gift of tongues can use the gift at any time, at will. Some people act as if the Holy Spirit overtakes them and they lose control of their mouth but if the apostle Paul told people to stop being out of order with tongues it means that the tongue speaker is in control of his or her mouth.
Its not losing control of the mouth but giving honor to the one who puts his words on the mouth of the creature. Tongues was a revelation from God while he was still bringing new prophecy. No such thing as a outward sign to prove a person has the Spirit of Christ in them. No need for one..

Today its simply gibberish.
 
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LaurenTM

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Sorry the only label I will half halfheartedly accept is Canadian and only cause it lets me travel.
Even then I prefer Italian-Canadian.

evasive, are we?

that's ok...I think it explains the other thread and your opinions

and btw, I was not labelling you...however those who hold to cessationism are quick to label

for example, did you know that notuptome has said a number of times that he believes those who speak in tongues do so by the power of a demon?

see, that is what his actual thoughts are...he may sound somewhat polite, but this not our first turkey shoot and I really don't like to beat around the bush over and over and over