Protestantism. Is it over?

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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Nehemiah6 said:
There is a difference between optimism and realism. There is no doubt that the power of the Gospel cannot change, and that people's lives are changed through the preaching of the true Gospel. Many are being saved, and many will continue to be saved.

At the same time, the sober reality is that the world is moving towards the reign of the Antichrist. Of course, God and Christ are sovereign in all things, but they will ALLOW sin and evil to increase until divine judgments are poured out.

So the focus of Christians should be on getting the true Gospel and the true bibles out to everyone. Salvation is only through Christ and the Gospel must present Christ "and Him crucified" and also resurrected.
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You're wrong. History is moving towards a time when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God.
Realism should reflect reality. Hell is on defense and Jesus is plucking out brands daily. The wrath to come already came. Poor eschatology leads to poor outlook.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Have you been following the shenanigans of Pope Francis (who is not recognized as a true pope by many Catholics). He has undermined Catholicism, is trying to ban the Latin Mass (which many Catholics want to retain), and put his full weight behind Globalism, the Green Agenda, the LBGTQ agenda, and other false narratives
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I don't follow it really, but I see news about him from time to time. I'm not surprised that he fits somewhere in the globalist agenda.
Nehemiah6 said:
We should not assume that the Catholic Church has no relevance, since there are millions of Catholics all around the world, and they continue to cling to their false religion
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maybe; but how many of those millions are "Catholic" because their mother, or their mother's mother used to go to Catholic church? Some people will literally say "I was born Catholic" like they inherited a disease or something. How many actually attend? And out of those that attend, how many actually believe in what is going on in there?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
But then the Catholic Church moves away from justification by grace through faith,
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That's not the issue. If justification by faith is true, and if Romans 10 is true, and it is, then Catholics who confess Jesus is Lord and believe in His Resurrection are saved. Either that, or the Bible is in error, which cannot be.

and teaches salvation through the sacraments
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To be precise, it teaches salvation by grace through faith in the Sacraments. That was the position of the early Church on Baptismal regeneration for e.g. as shown by the Nicene Creed which says: "I confess One Baptism for the remission of sins". When a person believes in Christ and is baptized, he receives the remissions of sins, by grace, through faith, in the Sacraments. Christ said: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mark 16:16)

, while elevating Mary to become Queen of Heaven
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Revelation 12:1 shows a Queen Mother in Heaven, the Mother of Jesus Christ (Rev 12:5).

and making her the advocate while replacing Christ.
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Catholic Church doesn't teach Mary replaces Christ. Rather, She intercedes with Christ, as at Cana (John 2), and as Abraham and Moses did with Jehovah. Saints of God don't replace God; they intercede with God for other Christians.

Also a careful examination of the Mass shows that it is a travesty of the one final sacrifice of Christ. It is a complete rejection of the Lord's Supper. So there are in fact many issues with Roman Catholicism.
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That's your opinion. Have you studied what the Church Fathers and early Christians said about it, and how they interpreted Malachi 1:11 for e.g.? They believed that Holy Communion is the True Body and Real Blood of Jesus Christ and an offering to God. Mal 1:11 says a Pure Offering will be offered to God/Jehovah in every Gentile Nation, while God receives none from the Jews. A clear prophecy of a New Covenant offering. What can that be? Nothing other than the Lord's Supper.[/quote][/QUOTE]
 
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Jesus' blood atones for the sins of the world so if anyone goes to hell, it's for being an ingrate because that is all the Father asked of anyone, an offering of thanks to His Son who then humbly defers thanks to Him. Everyone is so focused on what's wrong with everyone else and leaves the importance of this in the dust. But, in order to offer genuine thanks for anything, one has to first believe it.
 
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John146 said:
Where is he ruling and reigning? Scripture please...maybe another thread.
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I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
I can give you a tour through both history and biblical history and show you the deterioration of mankind and creation from the inception of sin to the cross and the restoration that has been occurring since the cross if you like.

There has never been a time when God has not been in control of all things and there never will be. He is the LORD and there is no other. Satan, though powerful from our perspective, has only ever been an instrument of God. One little word can fell him.
 
Nehemiah6

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Cameron143 said:
There has never been a time when God has not been in control of all things and there never will be.
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You are conveniently ignoring reality. We all know that God is sovereign, but you do not want to acknowledge that He is allowing sin and evil to grow. He could have sent Satan to Hell right at the start but He did not do so. No need for fake optimism.
 
Cameron143

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Nehemiah6 said:
You are conveniently ignoring reality. We all know that God is sovereign, but you do not want to acknowledge that He is allowing sin and evil to grow. He could have sent Satan to Hell right at the start but He did not do so. No need for fake optimism.
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Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound.

It's not fake optimism. It's joy in the Lord. It comes from knowing Him and joining Him in what He is doing. God is at work in the world. People are being converted all around the globe in record numbers. Satan isn't winning, neither is He in control of anything. Even where he is allowed to persecute the church, it only grows all the more.

Instead of being a negative Nehemiah6, raise a hallelujah.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Sure men do things for evil purposes, but God intends them for good. Noone is frustrating God and His purposes. Things are going as planned.
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So God planned to make himself repent for creating mankind and his plan was to flood and drown his creation ?
 
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