Psalm 27

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evyaniy

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Lafftur said:
I do believe Jesus Christ raised Himself from the dead but not until His Father said to…. Jesus knew to wait till the 3rd day.

Jesus Christ is The Resurrection and The Life. This power and authority had been given to Jesus Christ by His Father and Jesus knew His Father’s Will and knew to wait till the 3rd day.

Even now, Jesus Christ has the power and authority to return to the Earth but will not do it until His Father says, “It’s time. Go now!”
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That completely ignores His prayers in the Psalms and is incorrect. His Father raised Him as He prayed for in Psalm 119. There are 176 verses in that Psalm that teach us that His Father raised Him in answer to His prayer because of His obedience. It also ignores the many verses in the NT that tell us that the Father and Theos raised Him. So it is unScriptural. He was raised by the Glory of the Father.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Messiah was raised up from the dead by the Glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

John 10:18 was mistranslated. He received Life again according to the promise/commandment of life in the Law to Him.
 
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evyaniy said:
That completely ignores His prayers in the Psalms and is incorrect. His Father raised Him as He prayed for in Psalm 119. There are 176 verses in that Psalm that teach us that His Father raised Him in answer to His prayer because of His obedience. It also ignores the many verses in the NT that tell us that the Father and Theos raised Him. So it is unScriptural. He was raised by the Glory of the Father.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Messiah was raised up from the dead by the Glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

John 10:18 was mistranslated. He received Life again according to the promise/commandment of life in the Law to Him.
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Didn’t Jesus Christ tell Martha, “I am The Resurrection and The Life.”?


Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John.11.25&version=NKJV

All power and authority to raise the dead including Himself from the dead was given to Jesus Christ by His Father and Jesus Christ only does it when His Father says to do it.
 
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Had a feeling after your conciliatory post that you thought that. Thanks for stating it clearly now.
Lafftur said:
Didn’t Jesus Christ tell Martha, “I am The Resurrection and The Life.”?


Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John.11.25&version=NKJV
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He is. It was His Father Who raised Him to Life again. As a Man He was dead for 3 days till His Father raised Him. That would certainly make Him the resurrection and Life.
 
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evyaniy

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It comes down to people do not believe that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer, which is fine. He was praying to His Father throughout the Psalm to be quickened or revived or live or raised from the dead to life again because of His obedience. No one else could pray that. We are saved by grace through faith. He was saved from death by His Father because of His obedience.

This whole thing was about sharing one of the most important revelations in Scripture with believers to bless their faith in the hopes that others would come to understand that the Son's prayers are revealed in the Psalms. This is not about debating with people. There are multiple threads and hundreds of posts trying to answer questions to help others to see it. Feel free to read some of the old posts if you like.

Since it is pretty much unanimous against what has been shared, the effort again appears fruitless. If you disagree please ignore the posts. The challenges have become tedious now and perhaps enough has been done. Thank you.
 
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Please do try to refrain from using guilt as a tactic that, essentially, is an attempt to procure worldly sorrow, which only leads to death.
 
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evyaniy said:
Had a feeling after your conciliatory post that you thought that. Thanks for stating it clearly now.

He is. It was His Father Who raised Him to Life again. As a Man He was dead for 3 days till His Father raised Him. That would certainly make Him the resurrection and Life.
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It was His Father that gave Him (Jesus Christ) the power and authority to raise Himself from the dead.

Jesus Christ had to choose to obey His Father and wait till His Father said it was time…. Jesus Christ had been told by His Father to wait 3 days, then He could raise Himself up from the dead on the 3rd day.

Don’t overlook how important the role of our choices. Obedience to the Father’s Will is a “choice.”

It pleased the Father to give Jesus Christ all power and authority in Heaven and Earth because He could trust Jesus Christ to choose to use the power and authority exactly according to the Father’s Will. Jesus Christ is a Perfect Representation of His Father.

Jesus Christ is the visible God of the invisible God. When we see Jesus Christ, we see the Father. They are One.

The visible God raised His visible Body from the dead according to the invisible God’s Will.
 
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Yes, Jesus Christ is all through the Psalms. He even said the psalms speak of Him…

Then He said to them, “These the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and Prophets and Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passag...Luke.24.46,Luke.24.47,Luke.24.48&version=NKJV
 
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Lafftur said:
It was His Father that gave Him (Jesus Christ) the power and authority to raise Himself from the dead.

Jesus Christ had to choose to obey His Father and wait till His Father said it was time…. Jesus Christ had been told by His Father to wait 3 days, then He could raise Himself up from the dead on the 3rd day.

Don’t overlook how important the role of our choices. Obedience to the Father’s Will is a “choice.”

It pleased the Father to give Jesus Christ all power and authority in Heaven and Earth because He could trust Jesus Christ to choose to use the power and authority exactly according to the Father’s Will. Jesus Christ is a Perfect Representation of His Father.

Jesus Christ is the visible God of the invisible God. When we see Jesus Christ, we see the Father. They are One.

The visible God raised His visible Body from the dead according to the invisible God’s Will.
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You said many things there. You are completely entitled to your understanding and interpretations as everyone else is. Not saying which parts sound right or which may be in question. Don't have the energy to go further with this. Would have to look up too many verses which is a lot of work. Thank you for your posts and contributions.
 
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Lafftur said:
Yes, Jesus Christ is all through the Psalms. He even said the psalms speak of Him…

Then He said to them, “These the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and Prophets and Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passag...Luke.24.46,Luke.24.47,Luke.24.48&version=NKJV
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He gave us clues as did the writers of the NT especially the writer of Hebrews who showed us the Son and Father were speaking in the Psalms. But They did not directly tell us that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised. For whatever reason that was saved for a later time.
 
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evyaniy

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Interesting none of the Greek geeks have chimed in on John 10:18 and the mistranslation to "take" when it should have been translated to "receive."
 
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So all this time many were basing their entire thesis on a mistranslation and now can't admit to it even though there are many verses that contradict and disprove their thesis. After all, winning a debate is more important than truth.
 
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Kind of reminds one of the mistranslation in Psalm 119:176 which is rendered lost Sheep when it should have been translated to "slain Lamb." That sure is a familiar sounding term. Oh where Oh where have we heard that before. Maybe a finger tapping chin would help or perhaps a little head scratching. Hmmmm? Why does that sound so familiar?
 
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gee, do you think that may be why none of the great Theologs of the past figured out Who was speaking in the Psalms? Well it appears they have an excuse. They can say, it was a mistranslation that misled me.
 
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and even stranger, those who speak Hebrew and study the Scriptures don't recognize the Son speaking in the Psalms. They would certainly know that 119:176 is actually "slain Lamb" in Hebrew. But maybe they never read the New Testament and don't know Who that term refers too. So they probably have an excuse too even though they use the language and don't have to translate it. Maybe they think the "slain Lamb" is about all the lamb sacrifices in the Law.
 
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all those revered Rabbis pouring over the Psalms their entire lives, in the original languages even, and don't have a clue Who it is about and Who is speaking. Guess it just goes to show, uhhhh something.
 
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Dear @evyaniy,

It’s okay when no one agrees with you or sees what you see. It happens to us all.

Be encouraged to keep sharing with all of us whatever the Lord gives you…. We’re all learning and in training! :love:(y)

We’re all in different places of learning the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is the BEST Teacher! He’ll make sure we all know and understand what we need to.

Jesus Christ spoke in parables and left the leaning up to the Holy Spirit to give understanding to whoever had ears to hear.
 
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The difference between "take" and "receive" is massive. They are basically polar opposites. They both have to do with acquiring something. "Take" means to acquire through our effort. "Receive" means to acquire through someone else's effort.

In regards to Salvation this has huge implications. We "receive" Salvation as a gift and the result of our faith in the Son for forgiveness. We can't take our Salvation. It was similar for Him. He had His promise/commandment from the Father in the law that if He offered His life as a Sacrifice for sin to save us, in obedience to the Law that He would yet live and "receive" resurrection from death to Life.

He had faith in His Father's promise/commandment to Him that He would be raised for His obedience and He "received" the promise when He was raised. He believed the Scriptures concerning Himself and trusted His Father to follow through with what is written.

Until we can understand this, we cannot understand that Psalm 119 is the Son praying for life and to be raised.

The mistranslation in John 10:18 is massive and has led to a lot of misunderstanding. Apparently, it also makes it more difficult to understand the Son praying in Psalm 119 and other Psalms for life and to live. As a matter of fact, the Holy Spirit tells us in Psalm 21 that the Son's heart's desire is for Life and it was granted to Him by His Father.

Psalm 21:1-6

(Spirit to Father about Son)

21:1 The King rejoices in Your strength, YHVH!
How greatly He rejoices in Your Salvation! (Yĕshuw`ah)
21:2 You have given Him His heart’s desire,
and have not withheld the request of His lips.
Selah.
21:3 For You meet Him with the blessings of goodness.
You set a crown of fine gold on His head.
21:4 He asked life of You, You gave it to Him,
even length of days forever and ever.
21:5 His Glory is Great in Your Salvation. (Yĕshuw`ah)
You lay Honor and Majesty on Him.
21:6 For You make Him Most Blessed forever.
You make Him glad with joy in Your presence.

So, it is essential to understand that the Father raised the Son because of His obedience and faith. Knowing the Father raised the Son is the only way to understand the Son's prayers in the Psalms. He received Life from His Father according to the promise to Him.
 
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evyaniy

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Leviticus 18:4-5 is the promise/commandment of Life in the Law to the "Man" Who fully obeys the Law and accomplishes it. It is the linchpin of the law in 2 verses.

4. You shall do My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and walk in them: I am YHVH Your Elohim.
5. You shall therefore keep My statutes and My ordinances; which if a Man does, He shall live by them: I am YHVH.

This is a direct commandment and a promise to the "Man"(singular) Who keeps the Law that He shall live. The Father even signs His Name to the promise of life in verse 5 saying, "I am YHVH." So it is a promise and commandment from Him with His Name attached.

This commandment and promise of life is directly to the Son, that if He would offer His life to save us as the Law and His Father required of Him, that He would live even though He had to die to keep the law fully. The Father gave His Name as an assurity of the promise. That tells us how important these verses are.

This is the promise the Son refers to in Psalm 119 in places as He asks for life because of His obedience. He had the promise from His Father and in Psalm 119 He prays to His Father to keep the promise and raise Him to life again after completing the Law by giving His life to save us. That is what "it is finished" means when He commended His Spirit to His Father as He died on the cross.
 
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The reason Leviticus 18:4-5 is the linchpin of the Law is because it connects the Law to our Salvation through the Son's obedience. Yes, the Law condemns us because of our sinfulness but the Son was saved from death by His Father because of His obedience to the Law. By placing our faith in Him and His righteousness we receive the forgiveness of our sins and Eternal Life. So the promise of life in the Law provides Salvation to us through Him, Who is our life and righteousness.
 
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