Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

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Karraster

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Mitspa said:
you never answered? do you keep all the rules concerning the Sabbath that's in the law, or just go to church?
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maybe I'll answer you the way you do me....what is your issue bro? well, you didn't say bro, but I did.

now my question to you was, when you keep quoting "..Christ is the end of the law.." and you say that means done away with.

I asked you to look at the word translated "end of" and also the verse "..end of your faith" and to see it is the same word. It doesn't mean either is done away with, simply brought to fullness, mature. and you just say..."What's your issue, I don't understand you"


What gives? but I have nothing to hide, so I will answer. No, I do not leave the house. No work, no burdens. I prepare what is needed before sundown, and it is wonderful you should try it. Obeying Messiah is easy, He says it's ok to do good on Sabbath and gives many examples that are not hard to follow or hard to understand. It is 24 hours of bliss. He will lead you, but He won't make you obey you have to at least try.
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passinthru

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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [/TD]
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Rom 14:18[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. [/TD]
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Rom 14:19[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.[/TD]
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Karraster

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#263
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Mitspa said:
Under the law...there lots of rules regarding the Sabbath ...that do not apply to those of use not under the law...but those who "claim" to keep the Sabbath should keep all the laws of the Sabbath...but they don't!
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Now who is being legalistic? Messiah taught us, did He not? He kept the Sabbath, and you can too.
 
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ELECT

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[h=1]Romans 10:4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Could that word "end" mean something other than "brought to an end"? To find out the truth, we need to use the Bible to interpret this and find some other verses with this kind of statement in them.


James 5:11 ...'Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.'


1 Peter 1:9 ...'Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.'


1 Timothy 1:5 ...'Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.'


I hope these verses help you understand the truth regarding Romans 10:4. Can you see the true meaning of this statement now? Would we say that "the end of the Lord" means Christ came to an end? Or would we say that "the end of our faith" means our faith comes to a literal end? Of course not. The word "end" in these verses mean "end objective" or "end goal"
 
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passinthru

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ELECT said:
Romans 3:31King James Version (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Lets see what else it says....Here is some....go back and read the whole chapter in context please.
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [/TD]
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Rom 3:31[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. [/TD]
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Mitspa

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#266
#266
Karraster said:
maybe I'll answer you the way you do me....what is your issue bro? well, you didn't say bro, but I did.

now my question to you was, when you keep quoting "..Christ is the end of the law.." and you say that means done away with.

I asked you to look at the word translated "end of" and also the verse "..end of your faith" and to see it is the same word. It doesn't mean either is done away with, simply brought to fullness, mature. and you just say..."What's your issue, I don't understand you"


What gives? but I have nothing to hide, so I will answer. No, I do not leave the house. No work, no burdens. I prepare what is needed before sundown, and it is wonderful you should try it. Obeying Messiah is easy, He says it's ok to do good on Sabbath and gives many examples that are not hard to follow or hard to understand. It is 24 hours of bliss. He will lead you, but He won't make you obey you have to at least try.
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Yes I have heard that and its just silly ...end means end and no Greek scholar in the world would agree with that sort of made up stuff. Do you keep all the laws in the law regarding the Sabbath?

Ro 10:4 (KJV) For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 10:4 (ASV) For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 10:4 (BBE) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who has faith.
Ro 10:4 (DBY) For Christ is [the] end of law for righteousness to every one that believes.
Ro 10:4 (MKJV) For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.
Ro 10:4 (MNT) For to every believer Christ is an end of law as a means of righteousness.
Ro 10:4 (NKJV) For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Ro 10:4 (Oracl) For Christ is the end of the law for justification to every believer.
Ro 10:4 (RSV) For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Ro 10:4 (TCNT) For Christ has brought Law to an end, so that righteousness may be obtained by every one who believes in him.
Ro 10:4 (WEB) For Christ is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Ro 10:4 (WNT) For as a means of righteousness Christ is the termination of Law to every believer.
Ro 10:4 (YLT) For Christ is an end of law for righteousness to every one who is believing,
 
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Karraster

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#267
#267
ELECT said:
Romans 10:4King James Version (KJV)

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Could that word "end" mean something other than "brought to an end"? To find out the truth, we need to use the Bible to interpret this and find some other verses with this kind of statement in them.


James 5:11 ...'Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.'


1 Peter 1:9 ...'Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.'


1 Timothy 1:5 ...'Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.'


I hope these verses help you understand the truth regarding Romans 10:4. Can you see the true meaning of this statement now? Would we say that "the end of the Lord" means Christ came to an end? Or would we say that "the end of our faith" means our faith comes to a literal end? Of course not. The word "end" in these verses mean "end objective" or "end goal"
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you must spread some reputation around before giving it to ELECT again! :) thanks brother!
 
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passinthru

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How we all doing here?
 
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Mitspa

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#269
Karraster said:
Now who is being legalistic? Messiah taught us, did He not? He kept the Sabbath, and you can too.
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Im not the one claiming to keep the law...if your going to keep it according to the law...keep it all! every jot and tittle!
 
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passinthru

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end as in Romans:
TEIAS
definition:

  1. end
  2. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)

  3. the end
    1. the last in any succession or series
    2. eternal
  4. that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
  5. the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
  6. toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)
 
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Karraster

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#272
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Mitspa said:
Im not the one claiming to keep the law...if your going to keep it according to the law...keep it all! every jot and tittle!
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I have a relationship with my Messiah, and look to Him to cover me. Why the anger toward me for trying to do my best to obey Him? He died so I might live and be free from sin. It's not always easy, sometimes I'm called names and such, accused of being a cult, and belonging to organizations I never even heard of. Ya know, ..
 
4enlightment

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#273
Karraster said:
Now who is being legalistic? Messiah taught us, did He not? He kept the Sabbath, and you can too.
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He had to keep everything in order to fulfilled; He had to be an unblemished lamb without any defects, and that is why none of his bones were broken, but the others that were on the cross next to Him, had gotten their legs broken. And once that was finished, then the new can take its place.
 
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Mitspa

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Karraster said:
I have a relationship with my Messiah, and look to Him to cover me. Why the anger toward me for trying to do my best to obey Him? He died so I might live and be free from sin. It's not always easy, sometimes I'm called names and such, accused of being a cult, and belonging to organizations I never even heard of. Ya know, ..
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Do you keep the law in regards to the Sabbath? Why cant you answer that...your the one claiming we have to keep the law and especially the Sabbath...answer the question!

Is that a no? You don't even keep the Sabbath when you went on and on about how you love to keep it?
 
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Karraster

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passinthru said:
Dunno what that means. ??
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reputation is the little star button below the users name. If you've already given to that poster, it says what I quoted...you must spread (give some to others) before giving that one again....I liked his post a lot.:)
 
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ELECT

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Mitspa said:
Im not the one claiming to keep the law...if your going to keep it according to the law...keep it all! every jot and tittle!
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Will you put tattoo on ? Why or Why not ?
 
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Karraster

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Mitspa said:
Do you keep the law in regards to the Sabbath? Why cant you answer that...your the one claiming we have to keep the law and especially the Sabbath...answer the question!
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Are you a lawyer? I already told you, I stay at hoime and study. Why are you hounding me?
 
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ELECT

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#278
Mitspa said:
Do you keep the law in regards to the Sabbath? Why cant you answer that...your the one claiming we have to keep the law and especially the Sabbath...answer the question!

Is that a no? You don't even keep the Sabbath when you went on and on about how you love to keep it?
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Do you honour your parents ?
 
Brainfreeze

Brainfreeze

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#279
Karraster said:
reputation is the little star button below the users name. If you've already given to that poster, it says what I quoted...you must spread (give some to others) before giving that one again....I liked his post a lot.:)
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It doesn't help your cause...neither did his post
 
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passinthru

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Sorry spelled it wrong,,,,should have been TeLos.

I know Jesus said he didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. If we study we will see that the law, even though not done away with, was ended in a sense due to Jesus paying the penalty for man's sin. He purchased back what Adam gave up. " The second Adam". The law was weak through man but is now fulfilled through Jesus.

passinthru said:
end as in Romans:
TEIAS
definition:

  1. end
  2. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)

  3. the end
    1. the last in any succession or series
    2. eternal
  4. that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
  5. the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
  6. toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)
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