Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

[john832]

Col 2:13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of dogma that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath

Before I deal with I Cor 16:2, here you go...

"What Does Colossians 2:14 Really Say?

It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).

Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:


Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,

1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).

Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?

Furthermore, let's look at another translation:


14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)

The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.

Which requirements were wiped out?

Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!" - Dr. Robert Thiel.

 

[john832]

Breaking of bread is the communion of the Lords Body...any first year bible student would know that. And they always met on the first day and never on the Sabbath....unless you can prove that by scripture like I have?

Well, seems William Barclay and E.W. Bullinger, to name a few, didn't know as much as you do.

 

[john832]

As I promised, I Cor 16:2...

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1Co 16:4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.
1Co 16:5 Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.

Notice that this is a collection for the saints. What saints?

Act 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Act 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

Notice it was relief for the famine in Judea? Sent by the hands of Barnabas and Paul?

1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
Rom 15:26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
Rom 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
Rom 15:28 When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain.

2Co 9:1 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:
2Co 9:2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
2Co 9:3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:
2Co 9:4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

Notice we are talking about the collection of fruit from Macedonia and that Paul is exhorting those of Corinth to be ready with their food collections when he comes by so they would not be embarrassed?

2Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
2Co 9:11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
2Co 9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
2Co 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;

Now let's read I Cor 16:1- again...

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

From the other writings (Acts and Romans) we see what this collection truly was. It was relief for starving saints suffering from a famine in Judea.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Now the instruction is to go out and lay by oneself in store and have it prepared so that Paul could take it when he came. If this were really a passing of the plate, then to "every one of you lay by him in store" would mean that when the plate came around, each one would take some out, take it home and store it up "lay by him in store". When we put all the scriptures together, we find that this is not a passing of the collection plate at a sunday go to meetin'. It was hard, heavy work to go out and gather fruits, nuts, vegetables, etc. and lay them up in store. Preserve them by whatever means so that they could be taken to Judea for the saints suffering there.

1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1Co 16:4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Barnabas was approved and went with Paul...

Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

1Co 16:5 Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.

They were instructed to do the same and had done so liberally.

2Co 9:4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

Paul had boasted of the Corinthians liberality in Macedonia and was now exhorting Corinth to live up to his boasts.

This was not at all a Sunday go to meetin'. It likely occurred over several months and was a special relief fund for a particular time and place.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, seems William Barclay and E.W. Bullinger, to name a few, didn't know as much as you do.

Never heard of them? are they SDA?

 

[Mitspa]

Before I deal with I Cor 16:2, here you go...

"What Does Colossians 2:14 Really Say?

It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).

Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:


Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,

1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).

Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?

Furthermore, let's look at another translation:


14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)

The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.

Which requirements were wiped out?

Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!" - Dr. Robert Thiel.

No this is a clear reference to the law and the dogma therein. Including the Sabbath as is clearly mentioned in context.

 

[john832]

Never heard of them? are they SDA?

That is obvious, William Barclay is responsible for Barclay's Commentary and E. W. Bullinger is responsible for Bullinger's Companion Bible. Neither were SDAs.

 

[john832]

Before I deal with I Cor 16:2, here you go...

"What Does Colossians 2:14 Really Say?

It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).

Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:


Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,

1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).

Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?

Furthermore, let's look at another translation:


14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)

The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.

Which requirements were wiped out?

Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!" - Dr. Robert Thiel.

No this is a clear reference to the law and the dogma therein. Including the Sabbath as is clearly mentioned in context.

Nice scholarship on your part, just dismiss any meaningful exegesis that you don't agree with. I gotta go with Dr. Robert Thiel on this one.

 

[Mitspa]

That is obvious, William Barclay is responsible for Barclay's Commentary and E. W. Bullinger is responsible for Bullinger's Companion Bible. Neither were SDAs.

Lot of people write commentary ...I stick to the scriptures and let others debate commentary ....

 

[Mitspa]

Nice scholarship on your part, just dismiss any meaningful exegesis that you don't agree with. I gotta go with Dr. Robert Thiel on this one.

Well you can go with man and mans traditions...and the wisdom of man. I will stay with the foolishness of the Cross.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

 

[john832]

Well you can go with man and mans traditions...and the wisdom of man. I will stay with the foolishness of the Cross.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Hmmm, Dr. Thiel quoted scripture and your rebuttal was a few words of simple dismissal. Yep, I gotta go with the weight of scripture here.

by the way, here is some scripture for you to consider...

Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";

Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

I posted about the derivation of the word "rest" earlier, it comes from Sabbatismos and means the keeping of the Sabbath. What does that do for us?

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

It reveals the rest that God gives...

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

It reveals the Millennium, the Kingdom of God and salvation.

 

[Mitspa]

Hmmm, Dr. Thiel quoted scripture and your rebuttal was a few words of simple dismissal. Yep, I gotta go with the weight of scripture here.

by the way, here is some scripture for you to consider...

Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";

Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

I posted about the derivation of the word "rest" earlier, it comes from Sabbatismos and means the keeping of the Sabbath. What does that do for us?

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

It reveals the rest that God gives...

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

It reveals the Millennium, the Kingdom of God and salvation.

Look I have NEVER heard of this guy...lot of people can bring commentary from their tradition as if it has some authority to others? It does not! If you want to agree with Dr thiel that's your business...I don't in any way accept him as having as having any authority any more than I would accept ellen g white.

 

[Jeff_56]

remember what happened a few years ago ? ... .... no? how easily we all forget, eh?

Paul, Peter, James, John, Aquila, Priscilla, and ALL the Jews and goyim who were immersed in Yahshua were joyfully living HIS LIFE, and doing ALL THAT HE COMMANDED freely and willingly and rejoicing in the power of His Spirit, just as it is written.

They taught all the disciples just as Yahshua had taught them, to be disciples. (NOT TO BE COUCH POTATOES!)

and not to be pagans. not to study foreign nations. not to study any other religionsss...... yes.. .how quick we forget, eh?

remember YET ! YET! ?? --->>> who STATES IN THEIR LIBRARY of confusioin> "we did change the day, without authroity from God's Word, because we are god's representative on earth ???! !!!!

remmmmmemeber yet?? eh? confused? WHO changed the day? the apostles? NO! Yahshua? NO! YHVH? OBVIOUSLY NOT !

so then, who changed the day , acting as it is written, and as they admit, as god on earth ?

i.e. TRADITION ! TRADITION ! TRADITION ! who instituted the false tradition OVER GOD'S WORD/SCRIPTURE !?!?

did you 'forget' conveniently; or did you never know ?

Well you can go with man and mans traditions...and the wisdom of man. I will stay with the foolishness of the Cross.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

 

[Yonah]

its about time someone properly illustrated the validity of the commandment given in Exo.20... there has been many a debate on this subject and still to this day none has been able to disprove the validity of the true Sabbath day... and never will the truth stands and no matter how many misapplied scriptures and well meaning misguided folks try to change it they cant, one day we will all stand and give reason for why we did what we did, either we listened to His word or we choose to listen to mans interpritation of it... whatever we choose it had better line up with His word (let every man be a liar) there is a reason we are told to accuratly divide the word of truth(2Tim 2:15) what word do you think Paul is referring to here? remember the new testament did not ezist when this letter was written..... if you want to understand the end then go back to the beginning...

 

[john832]

Look I have NEVER heard of this guy...lot of people can bring commentary from their tradition as if it has some authority to others? It does not! If you want to agree with Dr thiel that's your business...I don't in any way accept him as having as having any authority any more than I would accept ellen g white.

Well, it is not the authority of Bob Thiel here, it is the fact that he explained the scripture with scripture and with recognized commentaries. You, on the other hand, post a verse or two taken out of context and then state your opinion. I gotta go with scholarship on this.

 

[john832]

its about time someone properly illustrated the validity of the commandment given in Exo.20... there has been many a debate on this subject and still to this day none has been able to disprove the validity of the true Sabbath day... and never will the truth stands and no matter how many misapplied scriptures and well meaning misguided folks try to change it they cant, one day we will all stand and give reason for why we did what we did, either we listened to His word or we choose to listen to mans interpritation of it... whatever we choose it had better line up with His word (let every man be a liar) there is a reason we are told to accuratly divide the word of truth(2Tim 2:15) what word do you think Paul is referring to here? remember the new testament did not ezist when this letter was written..... if you want to understand the end then go back to the beginning...

Very cogent comment here.

 

[john832]

remember what happened a few years ago ? ... .... no? how easily we all forget, eh?

Paul, Peter, James, John, Aquila, Priscilla, and ALL the Jews and goyim who were immersed in Yahshua were joyfully living HIS LIFE, and doing ALL THAT HE COMMANDED freely and willingly and rejoicing in the power of His Spirit, just as it is written.

They taught all the disciples just as Yahshua had taught them, to be disciples. (NOT TO BE COUCH POTATOES!)

and not to be pagans. not to study foreign nations. not to study any other religionsss...... yes.. .how quick we forget, eh?

remember YET ! YET! ?? --->>> who STATES IN THEIR LIBRARY of confusioin> "we did change the day, without authroity from God's Word, because we are god's representative on earth ???! !!!!

remmmmmemeber yet?? eh? confused? WHO changed the day? the apostles? NO! Yahshua? NO! YHVH? OBVIOUSLY NOT !

so then, who changed the day , acting as it is written, and as they admit, as god on earth ?

i.e. TRADITION ! TRADITION ! TRADITION ! who instituted the false tradition OVER GOD'S WORD/SCRIPTURE !?!?

did you 'forget' conveniently; or did you never know ?

Exactly! A simple google search returns this...

...”The Catholic Encyclopaedia, vol. 4, “The Ten Commandments”, 1908 edition by Robert Appleton Company; and 1999 Online edition by Kevin Knight, Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York. “Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.
“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day’? I answer no!”
“Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

“Question. - How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
“Answer. - By the very act of changing Sabbath into Sunday which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.
“Question. - How prove you that?
“Answer. - Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.” An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, composed by Henry Tuberville, p. 58.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, it is not the authority of Bob Thiel here, it is the fact that he explained the scripture with scripture and with recognized commentaries. You, on the other hand, post a verse or two taken out of context and then state your opinion. I gotta go with scholarship on this.

Well because "you" agree with them...don't mean they have any authority....anybody can post a commentary that agrees with there views ...that's what denominations do...they get together and study how to make the scriptures match their own set of beliefs and understanding....Im sure the SDA has many that write commentaries ...as well as the RCC and the Baptist ...etc.. It don't mean nothing and only the scriptures themselves have any authority to a true believer.

 

[Jeff_56]

so will you seek and stick with Scripture; with what God plainly and has always decreed? or with the changes that the rcc made as they readily admit ?

 

[john832]

Well because "you" agree with them...don't mean they have any authority....anybody can post a commentary that agrees with there views ...that's what denominations do...they get together and study how to make the scriptures match their own set of beliefs and understanding....Im sure the SDA has many that write commentaries ...as well as the RCC and the Baptist ...etc.. It don't mean nothing and only the scriptures themselves have any authority to a true believer.

Dr. Thiel is not an SDA. Seems funny that the only comment you can make is to call anyone who doesn't agree with you an SDA.

I'll bet you think I am an SDA.

 

[john832]

Well because "you" agree with them...don't mean they have any authority....anybody can post a commentary that agrees with there views ...that's what denominations do...they get together and study how to make the scriptures match their own set of beliefs and understanding....Im sure the SDA has many that write commentaries ...as well as the RCC and the Baptist ...etc.. It don't mean nothing and only the scriptures themselves have any authority to a true believer.

On the otherhand, you post nothing but opinion and expect everyone to agree with you because you post it?