Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?
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I told you the truth. Now live with having rejected it.
Oh by the way, did not KNOW that Passover Week had TWO SABBATHS in it?
The Seventh day of Passover, is ALSO called a SABBATH.
The Same rules about NO BODIES were allowed to remain on that cross on SABBATH, also applied to Passover Sabbath.
Amazing what one can learn, when he studies Under a practicing Jew that became a born again, ordained Christian Minister.
Oh by the way, did not KNOW that Passover Week had TWO SABBATHS in it?
The Seventh day of Passover, is ALSO called a SABBATH.
The Same rules about NO BODIES were allowed to remain on that cross on SABBATH, also applied to Passover Sabbath.
FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
Firstfruits was the first day after the sabbath following Passover. The risen Jesus Christ was seen that morning by Mary near the garden tomb. -John 20:10-18 Later He walked through the wall to visit with the disciples in a closed room. Thomas felt the wound in His side and confirmed that He was not a ghost. He was real. . . .
Firstfruits was the first day after the sabbath following Passover. The risen Jesus Christ was seen that morning by Mary near the garden tomb. -John 20:10-18 Later He walked through the wall to visit with the disciples in a closed room. Thomas felt the wound in His side and confirmed that He was not a ghost. He was real. . . .
Amazing what one can learn, when he studies Under a practicing Jew that became a born again, ordained Christian Minister.
footnote
for those seeking, keep on seeking):
yeshua doesn't say much if anything good about / concerning 'ordained' nor 'Christian'(as defined since consttne), nor 'minister'(as defined today since whenever);
and with good reason; the calendar is wrong , although it is one of a few different 'accepted' ones... i.e. even hebrew roots folks have been tricked into using/believing it too.....
for those seeking, keep on seeking): yeshua doesn't say much if anything good about / concerning 'ordained' nor 'Christian'(as defined since consttne), nor 'minister'(as defined today since whenever);
and with good reason; the calendar is wrong , although it is one of a few different 'accepted' ones... i.e. even hebrew roots folks have been tricked into using/believing it too.....
Well its easier just to pick some you think you can justify yourself and your group by... Jesus didn't really mean He fulfilled every jot and tittle or none of it... You can pick out parts of the law too and just deny that its by faith alone...if you want?
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
If you think all has been fulfilled then you Don't know the law. The law taught of the second coming and the destruction of the wicked at the end. It taught of a restoration of the earth and the eternal heavens. It teaches of things yet to come. this also evidenced by the fact that the heavens and the earth still have not passed away. as it is written:
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
This has not yet happened but the law has spoken of it.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
and again:
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
If you believe that the law was all fulfilled at the cross then I am afraid the new heaven and earth looks a lot like the old. and there is still crying and death and pain.
Thus clearly not all fulfilled Yet. notice also that after he makes all tings new he says:
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
"IT IS DONE" Then shall all the Law be fulfilled.
blessings
M
Well then according to you Jesus fulfilled part of the law and left part unfulfilled ...that's impossible. And for the believer in Christ there is in fact a new heaven and a new earth...
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Now you and others my not be able to see the end of the law...its because your blinded by the law
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Now you and others my not be able to see the end of the law...its because your blinded by the law
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
I have showed you scripture that clearly puts the true fulfilment of the new heavens and new earth at the time God and the new Jerusalem are established on this earth after all sin is destroyed. glad to see you just ignored that.
your use of 2 cor 5:17 is a stretch to say the least. but I suppose that has to be to make your view fit.
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
within the very text you used the meaning is obvious but if that is not enough for you read around it. It is very clearly speaking of the new creature/new birth. The renewal of the human heart. there is no mention not even a hint that Paul has anything else in mind. you are using private interpretation to suit your views.
Jesus says in chapter 5 the law "or the prophets"?
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
see both not just one, although they can be both known as the law. that aside, Jesus said he came to fulfil both the law and the prophets.
being that it is clearly evidenced that the prophets have not Yet being total fulfilled shows that the same is possible also for the law.
but Jesus doesn't leave us to guess the next verse makes it clear:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
and as this has not yet happened according the the word which you claim to believe, we can be sure the law is not yet completely fulfilled.
You do know that the cross is only the first aspect of the law in the sanctuary right?
You do know that the law speaks of the high priest which is current?
You do know that the law given to Moses by God speaks of the Judgement which is Yet to come?
You do know that the law speaks of the eradication of sin by fire right?
The veil was over their face as they failed to see where it lead. but it is also over yours as you fail to see all that it says.
As the Lord said and I have demonstrated the passing away has not yet happened. until then not one jot or tittle will pass from the law.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Peter agrees with my position that it is at the time of the destruction of the wicked as seen in revelation and in the prophets and in the law.
your use of 2 cor 5:17 is a stretch to say the least. but I suppose that has to be to make your view fit.
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
within the very text you used the meaning is obvious but if that is not enough for you read around it. It is very clearly speaking of the new creature/new birth. The renewal of the human heart. there is no mention not even a hint that Paul has anything else in mind. you are using private interpretation to suit your views.
Jesus says in chapter 5 the law "or the prophets"?
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
see both not just one, although they can be both known as the law. that aside, Jesus said he came to fulfil both the law and the prophets.
being that it is clearly evidenced that the prophets have not Yet being total fulfilled shows that the same is possible also for the law.
but Jesus doesn't leave us to guess the next verse makes it clear:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
and as this has not yet happened according the the word which you claim to believe, we can be sure the law is not yet completely fulfilled.
You do know that the cross is only the first aspect of the law in the sanctuary right?
You do know that the law speaks of the high priest which is current?
You do know that the law given to Moses by God speaks of the Judgement which is Yet to come?
You do know that the law speaks of the eradication of sin by fire right?
The veil was over their face as they failed to see where it lead. but it is also over yours as you fail to see all that it says.
As the Lord said and I have demonstrated the passing away has not yet happened. until then not one jot or tittle will pass from the law.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Peter agrees with my position that it is at the time of the destruction of the wicked as seen in revelation and in the prophets and in the law.
M
No, the book of Revelations is not a book of doctrine..its revealing hidden things spoken in a mystery...(past, present and future) and what you are referring to is when these things come to this world...we (believers) are already in Christ and OLD THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY AND BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW! For Christ fulfilled every jot and tittle or none of it for those who are IN HIM.
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
It would be my pleasure...
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning. He was not Lucifer at the time of the garden, this had already occurred...
Isa 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Isa 14:13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'
Eze 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
Eze 28:14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Until iniquity (sin, lawlessness) was found in him. There can be no sin, no iniquity, no lawlessness without LAW...
Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
And what is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
The KJV has it this way...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And what does Paul say?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Now please hearken back to this...
Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Sin is not imputed when there is no law yet we read this...
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
There was Law in the garden and prior to that else Adam could not have sinned nor could Satan.
You should actually read the Word of God instead of railing against the Law.
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning. He was not Lucifer at the time of the garden, this had already occurred...
Isa 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Isa 14:13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'
Eze 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
Eze 28:14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Until iniquity (sin, lawlessness) was found in him. There can be no sin, no iniquity, no lawlessness without LAW...
Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
And what is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
The KJV has it this way...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And what does Paul say?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Now please hearken back to this...
Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Sin is not imputed when there is no law yet we read this...
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
There was Law in the garden and prior to that else Adam could not have sinned nor could Satan.
You should actually read the Word of God instead of railing against the Law.
You want a N.T. Commandment?
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
The word for rest here is Sabbatismos. Wanna guess what that means? Let me help you...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
Why, even my good ole Oxford KJV Bible has "a keeping of the Sabbath" in the margin here.
This is a real Command.
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
The word for rest here is Sabbatismos. Wanna guess what that means? Let me help you...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
Why, even my good ole Oxford KJV Bible has "a keeping of the Sabbath" in the margin here.
This is a real Command.
Frankly, the statement about Judaism is irrelevant...
Joh 11:9 Answered Jesus: Not twelve are hours of the day? If any one may walk in the day, not he stumbles, because the light of the world this he sees.
Joh 11:10 If but any one may walk in the night, he stumbles, because the light not is in him.
Christ knows and tells us that there are twelve hours in a day and twelve hours in the night. He ought to know, He CREATED night and day.
Joh 11:9 Answered Jesus: Not twelve are hours of the day? If any one may walk in the day, not he stumbles, because the light of the world this he sees.
Joh 11:10 If but any one may walk in the night, he stumbles, because the light not is in him.
Christ knows and tells us that there are twelve hours in a day and twelve hours in the night. He ought to know, He CREATED night and day.