What the creeds do, is explain the nature of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit.
I'm very aware of what the creeds do, and how they have been used throughout history. Especially against those who did not agree with said creeds.
They used, when they were written, Biblical teachings in order to clarify these topics due to many falsehoods being espoused.
Yes, like Marcionism for one. But instead of correcting the angst against all things Jewish they solidified their position against it. I'm not a self loathing Jew that I would entertain such a diatribe against my people and our faith.
fter all, your in this thread upset that I would say Jesus is divine, and prove it using scripture..
I am not upset. I expected every bit of what happened. Yet I continue to pray for reconciliation. What is more disappointing is you don't seem to recognize my words of agreement and seemingly continue to see me as upset by your belief in Jesus divinity. Tell me, in my clarification to ed penn about my avatar (hmmm avatar means...) what verses did I identify that this image reminds me of? All the verses describe the divinity and holiness of the Holy One of Israel, Yeshua our Messiah. That image represents to me the image of humanity, of our faith, of our being in Messiah. But to others it's satanic and wiccan. o.k. sorry for you. And I move on.
As far as you being ethnically Jewish, that doesnt matter. Ethnicity doesnt get you into heaven, your faith in Christ does.
You mean it doesn't matter in regards to righteousness and salvation. I don't get a free ride, and I don't get in by observing the Torah. Yep. However, as a Jew my ethnicity matters greatly to me. Becoming a believer did not abolish or fulfill my Jewishness. it completed it. This is a huge issue within the mindset of Christians, and why I can't identify as one. They believe and teach that in order to become saved i must forsake and give up all I am. And all because they misinterpret and/or misunderstand Paul's writings about there being no Jew or Greek in Messiah. And about our covenant being transformed into a new one, like the moon.
As long as Christianity declares that being Jewish means nothing, it will continue to misrepresent the Messiah it claims to. I have come to believe that unless you understand Israel's
redemption you will never grasp the details of
your own.' The bible, the word, the promise, the Spirit all lead to the redemption of Israel, and the nations of the world. This is my perspective. And my perspective of the church as exemplified through her followers words and actions is the Spirit leads to the redemption of the church, and the rest, especially those apostate Jews are damned. To be cast away like sin. This is my perspective of the church. Care to change it? I'm truly praying for reconciliation.
See, as much as you probably believe I'm lost without the understanding of the church creeds, I believe the church will never see the revival it seeks until it shows true love and repentance to the Jewish people. When the nations who have received the blessings of Abraham turn to the physical children of Abraham and truly offer that which was given to you to us. Then all Israel will see salvation. And the order of things will be restored. But sadly, I see the church today as in the same condition as unfaithful Israel back then. Today's church apparently needs to learn the same lesson in humility. I believe all will continue to be taken from you until you truly encourage us Jews to say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. And embrace the Messiah's plan for our nation's future, instead of declaring it defunct and 'old' news. For me the church has twisted so much of what was given that I can not in all good conscience partake of it's replacement theology teachings.
How did something that was initially so completely and utterly Jewish become considered something
completely and utterly non-Jewish?
Why did the gentile believers begin to turn against the Jewish believers as early as the middle of the
first century?
These are things I'd like Christians to consider.