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Is there any evidence that these tribes have witnessed God?
The majority of them are still in old native pagan traditions.
Some explorers are warned to be careful because some of the tribes are cannabalistic and do human sacrifices still.
I believe eventually they'll witness God, but I don't believe a lot of them have not yet.
The majority of them are still in old native pagan traditions.
Some explorers are warned to be careful because some of the tribes are cannabalistic and do human sacrifices still.
I believe eventually they'll witness God, but I don't believe a lot of them have not yet.
Not to worry, the evidence is in the Bible. It says that God has revealed Himself to all, and it also says that God is unchanging. So if He revealed Himself yesterday, He'll reveal Himself today and tomorrow. So if they haven't seen, they will 
Ah, I see. My oversight. Oops!
Ah, I see. My oversight. Oops!
It would have seemed to be a huge oversight had that Scripture not been mentioned at all so far... I am glad you mentioned it, along with others who have Je vous en prie
If we had to know what every single other person on the planet thought before we could be sure of our own faith, we would never come to faith. Faith is personal. It does not rely on others for us to decide for ourselves what we will believe in relation to God.
No problem, Clement... it is something that is even contested among Christians!
My faith is based on a personal relationship with God, brought about through multiple encounters with Him.
I have spoken to a number of atheists online over the last eight years. I would say the majority of them were fairly disrespectful and rude towards believers, claiming we believed in fairy tales, had an imaginary friend, were incapable of thinking for ourselves, were brainwashed, uninformed, irrational, stupid etc etc. Some would ask the same questions over and over and then claim that nobody ever answered them, which was quite frankly a lie. They didn't like the answers, is more like it. Consequently, they came across as insincere. On the first site where I was for four years, a few atheists continually called me names and used profane language with me, always seeming to try to provoke me to anger. They would deny things I had said and pretend I had said something opposite to what was clear for anyone else to read. They would refuse to acknowledge the truth of what was said despite the fact that anyone could see for them self that they were wrong. It seemed like a huge waste of time, but for the fact that after three years there, the regular pot-stirrers knew they could not put one over on me. That is a long time to be tested by people who hate you simply because you believe something they do not. There were also some who commended me for responding in ways that were in keeping with my Christian beliefs, so it is true they were not all bad.
I do not hide the fact that I was a non-believer for most of my life. However, I was never an atheist, and I found spiritual realities somewhat easy to accept. What was hard for me to accept was that the God that was, is the God of the Bible. It was difficult for me to lay aside all my disbelief concerning Him in one fell swoop. Yet God is long suffering toward us. He loves us despite our wrong ideas about Him, and our aversion. He helps us come to believe in Him, and to place our trust in Him when we are willing to do so. He can be known through His Son, Jesus Christ, Who is the living Word of God. I hope you seek Him out Others have suggested you read the gospels, starting with John. I agree with this suggestion
I have looked in to many different paradigms. Scripture provides the most comprehensive answers there are.
If we had to know what every single other person on the planet thought before we could be sure of our own faith, we would never come to faith. Faith is personal. It does not rely on others for us to decide for ourselves what we will believe in relation to God.
No problem, Clement... it is something that is even contested among Christians!
My faith is based on a personal relationship with God, brought about through multiple encounters with Him.
I have spoken to a number of atheists online over the last eight years. I would say the majority of them were fairly disrespectful and rude towards believers, claiming we believed in fairy tales, had an imaginary friend, were incapable of thinking for ourselves, were brainwashed, uninformed, irrational, stupid etc etc. Some would ask the same questions over and over and then claim that nobody ever answered them, which was quite frankly a lie. They didn't like the answers, is more like it. Consequently, they came across as insincere. On the first site where I was for four years, a few atheists continually called me names and used profane language with me, always seeming to try to provoke me to anger. They would deny things I had said and pretend I had said something opposite to what was clear for anyone else to read. They would refuse to acknowledge the truth of what was said despite the fact that anyone could see for them self that they were wrong. It seemed like a huge waste of time, but for the fact that after three years there, the regular pot-stirrers knew they could not put one over on me. That is a long time to be tested by people who hate you simply because you believe something they do not. There were also some who commended me for responding in ways that were in keeping with my Christian beliefs, so it is true they were not all bad.
I do not hide the fact that I was a non-believer for most of my life. However, I was never an atheist, and I found spiritual realities somewhat easy to accept. What was hard for me to accept was that the God that was, is the God of the Bible. It was difficult for me to lay aside all my disbelief concerning Him in one fell swoop. Yet God is long suffering toward us. He loves us despite our wrong ideas about Him, and our aversion. He helps us come to believe in Him, and to place our trust in Him when we are willing to do so. He can be known through His Son, Jesus Christ, Who is the living Word of God. I hope you seek Him out
Others have suggested you read the gospels, starting with John. I agree with this suggestion I have looked in to many different paradigms. Scripture provides the most comprehensive answers there are.
Yep Sir good day!
The "whole world isn't going to be saved" not exactly but there may be few as compared to the majority who live in this world but the whole world sins are paid for by Christ. Exactly this is what Paul wrote to Timothy and also to Titus exhorting them.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
1 tIMOTHY 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]One of the factor why many have not come to Christ to be saved is because they have rejected the knowledge of the truth of the gospel. Another thing is the lack of labour to spread the atoning death of Christ by the believers.
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In John 2:2, God's wrath/ judgment to mankind is now appease through Christ sacrifice. Through Christ propitiation, there is restoration or reconciliation.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Thank you and God bless,
The "whole world isn't going to be saved" not exactly but there may be few as compared to the majority who live in this world but the whole world sins are paid for by Christ. Exactly this is what Paul wrote to Timothy and also to Titus exhorting them.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
1 tIMOTHY 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]One of the factor why many have not come to Christ to be saved is because they have rejected the knowledge of the truth of the gospel. Another thing is the lack of labour to spread the atoning death of Christ by the believers.
[/FONT]
In John 2:2, God's wrath/ judgment to mankind is now appease through Christ sacrifice. Through Christ propitiation, there is restoration or reconciliation.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Thank you and God bless,
The "what if" is not whether there are vessels fitted to destruction or not, that's a given. The "what if" is whether or not God endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.
Romans 9:22 KJV
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Romans 9:22 KJV
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
There are two groups of those who have not come to Christ. One is the group that will never come to Christ because they were not chosen by God per Ephesians 1:5, these will never come to Christ.
God will come to the ones of the other group at some time in their life and they will be saved because Christ will not lose one that has been given to him.
Ephesians 1:4-5 KJV
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
God will come to the ones of the other group at some time in their life and they will be saved because Christ will not lose one that has been given to him.
Ephesians 1:4-5 KJV
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Hi Clément, Welcome to CC!
(I really enjoy talking with atheists... I suppose I could go to atheist forums, but sometimes people there aren't very polite...)
I think that's an excellent question, What about people who have never heard?
But, we might have more success with some preliminary questions first... Like, do you believe that life (or the universe) has any meaning or purpose (beyond whatever meaning or purpose each individual attaches to it)?
(I really enjoy talking with atheists... I suppose I could go to atheist forums, but sometimes people there aren't very polite...)
I think that's an excellent question, What about people who have never heard?
But, we might have more success with some preliminary questions first... Like, do you believe that life (or the universe) has any meaning or purpose (beyond whatever meaning or purpose each individual attaches to it)?
Well, this sounds TULIP. Per the word "chosen" as used in the Bible_KJV, that word, may not automatically mean chosen for salvation but rather chosen for service. The passage above means, I cannot be chosen unless I am chosen in him. Before the foundation of the world because He existed before the foundation of the world, but I did not.
Here are few scriptures for further study:
Luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Acts15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
God bless,
Here are few scriptures for further study:
Luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Acts
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:God bless,
Well, this sounds TULIP. Per the word "chosen" as used in the Bible_KJV, that word, may not automatically mean chosen for salvation but rather chosen for service. The passage above means, I cannot be chosen unless I am chosen in him. Before the foundation of the world because He existed before the foundation of the world, but I did not.
Here are few scriptures for further study:
Luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Acts15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
God bless,
Here are few scriptures for further study:
Luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Acts
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:God bless,
Ephesians 1:4-5 KJV
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
God has chosen us to be in Him... doesn't "to be in Him" mean salvation?
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
We are predestined to be adopted as God's children, doesn't "God's Children" mean salvation?