Rapture= false teaching

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Has anyone figured it out YET? The wrath of God is not the tribulation of the Church? Tribulation is toward the Church; But, the wrath of God is toward (for) the world. The only christians, left on the earth during the Wrath of God , the last 3and1/2 yrs., are the 144,000 Jews, saved after the rapture happens, after the first 3and 1/2, mid. point. They will be persecuted, killed, and then there will be no,NO, Christians on earth, at Jesus' 2nd coming.. The 70th week of Daniel ,should NOT be called the tribulation, this is miss leading. false. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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If the Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God on a Christ-rejecting world then what is it? The Bible says that God has not appointed us to wrath. 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9. Okay I guess this has already been said.

Also Jesus said to pray constantly that you will either go up pre-trib or else die before it all starts to hit the fan. Luke 21:36.
 
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Hoffco, actually, the 144,000 will survive the Great Tribulation. Revelation 14:1 and context.
 
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I just looked at the first page of this 5 year old post. It seems, that other that RoboOp, not one person is in this forum that posted in those days. They are either banned or have left voluntarily.

Why doesn't someone start a new post, and discuss it from their angle. Or better yet, just drop eschatology completely, and focus on the important things like following and serving Jesus!
 
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ya.... i dont see the point in resurecting dinosaurs.. if you want to debate about stuff like this why not just make a thread?
 
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Matthew 24:44 "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh"1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thes. 1:9-10 They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thes. 5:9 “God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
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I will go on a limb and say if there is no rapture then God is a liar and Satan has been after that from the beginning. Because Id Satan can make one word of God fail then he wins.
 
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I meant why do you think he fights Israel so hard?
 
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So I assume this is the most contentious debate going on the number of posters banned, eh?
 
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Rapture = Noah
Rapture = Lot
Rapture = Egypt
Rapture = Babylonian captivity
Rapture = escape from Gods judgement, Those who did not were killed.

The cross sets us free from Judgement, because when I see the blood I will Passover you. Somebody shout, somebody get happy!! Praise God.
 
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Kerry said:
Rapture = Noah
Rapture = Lot
Rapture = Egypt
Rapture = Babylonian captivity
Rapture = escape from Gods judgement, Those who did not were killed.

The cross sets us free from Judgement, because when I see the blood I will Passover you. Somebody shout, somebody get happy!! Praise God.
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No doubt, I will be in rapturous state when I see the day of His Majesty's return, finally.
 
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Kerry said:
I will go on a limb and say if there is no rapture then God is a liar and Satan has been after that from the beginning. Because Id Satan can make one word of God fail then he wins.
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There's a rapture, for sure. The debate is over when. But there really should be no debate as Christ himself tells us when He returns... AFTER the Tribulation of those days.
 
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The world is being prepared for the greatest deception in the history of man. The Antichrist is satan himself and he is coming to decieve. He is the son of perdition, meaning he is the only one that has been pre-judged to burn in hell before judgment day, not Judas . He wants to decieve as many as possible before he goes down. Remember, he was the most beautiful angel God had created. He will preform signs and lying wonders(miracles) decieving many. Search out this Truth for yourself, search diligently. Pastor Joe Schimmel from good fight ministries touches on the subject briefly in this video:
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Peace unto you in Jesus Christ​
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Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold , I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Put it together people. The pre-tribulation rapture theory has caused great apathy in the church today. It is a ploy by the adversary to give us the mindset to think it is not necessary to warn the church to pray unceasingly for the strength that will be necessary to endure what is coming. This theory has contributed to the "falling away."

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 
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I would like to discuss this topic. Am reading: "If there is not rapture then God is a liar". But does God ever talk of rapture? The Bible throughout the "Old Testament" and "New Testament" talks of the destruction of the world by fire (Rev 20:9). An event that is survived by God's people (Isaiah 13:12) - who continue into the New Earth (Isaiah 65:17) - as flesh people. Where then does rapture come in?
 
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Ojo said:
I would like to discuss this topic. Am reading: "If there is not rapture then God is a liar". But does God ever talk of rapture? The Bible throughout the "Old Testament" and "New Testament" talks of the destruction of the world by fire (Rev 20:9). An event that is survived by God's people (Isaiah 13:12) - who continue into the New Earth (Isaiah 65:17) - as flesh people. Where then does rapture come in?
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1 Th 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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The definition of rapture is to catch up, take up, or lift out. Like the word trinity, the word rapture does not appear in Scripture; but the concept definitely does.
 
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Thanks for posting Thessalonians. My question is:
Who will be caught up? Revelations tells us that the souls of those who died believing. Revelations 20:4. Those are physically dead invisible spirits. Let us try to read the Bible wholesomely and not in bits.

The very Thessalonians refers to the above saying the dead in Christ shall rise first. Followed by those who are still alive at that time.

And to prove it, there will be God's people in the world at the time when the world is destroyed by fire. From where if they will have been ruptured (Rev 20:9)? And if the will have been ruptured, did Isaiah make a mistake saying the a few will survive the fire? (Isaiah 13:12)
 
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Ojo said:
Thanks for posting Thessalonians. My question is:
Who will be caught up? Revelations tells us that the souls of those who died believing. Revelations 20:4. Those are physically dead invisible spirits. Let us try to read the Bible wholesomely and not in bits.

The very Thessalonians refers to the above saying the dead in Christ shall rise first. Followed by those who are still alive at that time.

And to prove it, there will be God's people in the world at the time when the world is destroyed by fire. From where if they will have been ruptured (Rev 20:9)? And if the will have been ruptured, did Isaiah make a mistake saying the a few will survive the fire? (Isaiah 13:12)
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Isaiah 13 refers to the oracle of Babylon and is describing what would happen over 2500 years ago. Why do we try to make out that all Scripture points to our own day when it actually says that it does not?

where are the Medes now?
 
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