Rapture= false teaching

[charisenexcelcis]

Why? Martin Luther concluded:

Finally, let everyone think of it as his own spirit leads him. My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book (the revelation book). For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it. But to teach Christ, this is the thing which an apostle is bound above all else to do; as Christ says in Acts 1, "You shall be my witnesses." Therefore I stick to the books which present Christ to me clearly and purely.

He translated it and included it. Luther was not a man to be intimidated by tradition, so his final conclusion was that it was to be in the canon, to be considered by the priesthood of believers. Also, there are few presentations of Christ as wondrous of those in Revelation.

 

[NewJerusalem]

In my case, no. I believe that we should be seeking to preach the "gospel of the kingdom" to every nation in anticipation of the return of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Oh I definitely agree with that. as He IS coming again.

 

[miktre]

Haggai 2 (King James Version)


15And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD:
16Since those days were, when one came to an heap of twenty measures, there were but ten: when one came to the pressfat for to draw out fifty vessels out of the press, there were but twenty.
17I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labours of your hands; yet ye turned not to me, saith the LORD.
18Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD's temple was laid, consider it.



Praise God, isn't His word good? How can one not consider the very foundation the temple was built? They can't and they won't. Here we have where in Matt 24 Christ was quoting from the OT. praise God.
If someone wants to believe a lie bad enough then I guess they deserve to be deceived.

 

[NewJerusalem]

1 COR 3:11..." For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

1 COR 3:11-13.." For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is"

Why must people continue to attempt to look at the spiritual with physical eyes and desire spiritual fulfillment to be earthly and physical?

 

[miktre]

1 COR 3:11..." For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

1 COR 3:11-13.." For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is"

Why must people continue to attempt to look at the spiritual with physical eyes and desire spiritual fulfillment to be earthly and physical?

Because Christ told them specifically and pointed out the corrupt earthly temple as to a sign of His coming.

 

[kujo313]

Wether it be pre-, mid- or post-trib, it don't matter to me.

What DOES matter is until that event happens, people will die.

The world NEEDS to hear the Gospel! Don't let them go until they know Jesus!

 

[miktre]

Wether it be pre-, mid- or post-trib, it don't matter to me.

What DOES matter is until that event happens, people will die.

The world NEEDS to hear the Gospel! Don't let them go until they know Jesus!

Do you believe He meant just preach a couple verses out of the gospel or preach the whole thing? What happens after they hear Jesus saves? Where do they go from there? Christ taught quite a bit on the good news about our gathering together unto Him, yet it doesn't matter to you? If you notice, most of this discussion pertains to the gospels. If the gospels are taught incorrectly what good would it do?

 

[Definition_Christ]

Do you believe He meant just preach a couple verses out of the gospel or preach the whole thing? What happens after they hear Jesus saves? Where do they go from there? Christ taught quite a bit on the good news about our gathering together unto Him, yet it doesn't matter to you? If you notice, most of this discussion pertains to the gospels. If the gospels are taught incorrectly what good would it do?

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.

That is the gospel. Jesus died for our sins, was crucified and rose from the dead.

The good news is; your sins are forgiven!

 

[greatkraw]

It's $5,000 USD!!! argh >.< Actually, more for me. I have to drive down to SeaTac, then take a flight to Atlanta or New York. Then take another flight to Israel... lol

the cheapest flights to israel are from UK

get charter flight to UK

then get charter flight to israel

I learned that lesson the hard way

 

[oopsies]

the cheapest flights to israel are from UK

get charter flight to UK

then get charter flight to israel

I learned that lesson the hard way

You flew all the way to the UK from Australia and it's still cheaper? The sad thing is, I don't think it can be turned into a backpacking thing... I hear of bullet proof buses for tourists... lol

 

[greatkraw]

You bought into the false fulfilment of prophecy by the the tin hat Titus.
Table top that was left? When you go to build a temple, what do you build first? The foundation of course. Now you want to exclude the most important part of the structure, it's very foundation. Christ was very emphatic when He sai d:
See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Haggai 2:18 (King James Version)


18Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD's temple was laid, consider it.

Observant Jews will not go UP ON the temple mount because they do not know exacty where the temple stood and they do not want to risk walking over the spot of the Holy of Holys.



Zechariah 8:9 (King James Version)


9Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built.






Also you speak in ignorance of the western wall.

Quote:
In Judaism, the Western Wall is venerated as the sole remnant of the Holy Temple. It has become a place of pilgrimage for Jews, as it is the closest permitted accessible site to the holiest spot in Judaism, namely the Even ha-shetiya or Foundation Stone, which lies on the Temple Mount. According to one rabbinic opinion, Jews may not set foot upon the Temple Mount and doing so is a sin punishable by Kareth. While almost all historians and archaeologists and most rabbinical authorities believe that the rocky outcrop in the Dome of the Rock is the Foundation Stone,[59] some rabbis say it is located directly opposite the exposed section of the Western Wall, near the El-kas fountain.[60] This spot was the site of the Holy of Holies when the Temple stood.
Jewish tradition teaches that the Western Wall was built by King David and that the wall we see today is built upon his foundations, which date from the time of the First Temple.[61] Jewish midrashic texts compiled in Late Antiquity refer to a western wall of the Temple which &#8220;would never be destroyed.&#8221;[3] Some scholars were of the opinion that this referred to a wall of the Temple itself which has long since vanished. Others believed that the wall still stood and was actually a surviving wall of the Temple courtyard. However, today there is no doubt that the wall is the western retaining wall of the Temple Mount and the Midrash refers to the Temple in its broader sense, that is, the Temple Mount.[12] Jewish sources teach that when Roman Emperor Vespasian ordered the destruction of the Temple, he ordered Pangar, Duke of Arabia, to destroy the Western Wall. Pangar however could not destroy the wall because of God's promise that the Wall will never be destroyed. When asked by Titus why he did not destroy it, Pangar replied that it would stand as a reminder of what Titus had conquered. He was duly executed.[62] There is a tradition that states that when water starts trickling through the stones of the Wall, it is a signal of the advent of the Messiah.[63][64]
Rabbi Zvi Hirsch Kaindenover discusses the mystical aspect of the Hebrew word kotel when discussing the significance of praying against a wall. He cites the Zohar which writes that the word kotel, meaning wall, is made up of two parts: "Ko", which has the numerical value of God&#8217;s name, and "Tel", meaning mount, which refers to the Temple and its Western Wall.[65]
Jewish sources, including the Zohar, write that the Divine Presence rests upon the Western Wall.[66] The Midrash quotes a fourth century scholar: &#8220;Rav Acha said that the Divine Presence has never moved away from the Western Wall&#8221;.[67] 18th century scholar Jonathan Eybeschutz writes that &#8220;after the destruction of the Temple, God removed His Presence from His sanctuary and placed it upon the Western Wall where it remains in its holiness and honour&#8221;.[68] It is told that great Jewish sages, including Isaac Luria and the Radvaz, experienced a revelation of the Divine Presence at the wall.[69]

Let me tell you about the temple, Miktre

Zerubbabel rebuilt the temple foundations and all and that western retaining wall did not then exist

it was added after the Macabeean period by Herod the Great as the pharisees said to Jesus, it took 46 years to build this

 

[NewJerusalem]

Because Christ told them specifically and pointed out the corrupt earthly temple as to a sign of His coming.

Last physical Temple became corrupt and became a complete desolation that was determined...

No temple again will be corrupt or become corrupt, simply will be a building as any other built by hands and points to nothing..

And Yet He IS Coming!

 

[greatkraw]

You flew all the way to the UK from Australia and it's still cheaper? The sad thing is, I don't think it can be turned into a backpacking thing... I hear of bullet proof buses for tourists... lol

I found out that Athens to Israel is 50% more than UK to Israel?

If you get to athens, then go by ship to Israel - great trip but take your own drinking water

 

[miktre]

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.

That is the gospel. Jesus died for our sins, was crucified and rose from the dead.

The good news is; your sins are forgiven!

Very good, that's what he received first but thats not all he received. I'm never imply that it's not important to preach the good news. I'm simply saying its not all we should do or should it stop us from studying and teaching the entire word.
2 peter 1
16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

At some point when you are able you get into the meat of the word.
1 Corinthians 3
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

 

[greatkraw]

You flew all the way to the UK from Australia and it's still cheaper? The sad thing is, I don't think it can be turned into a backpacking thing... I hear of bullet proof buses for tourists... lol

remeber the wild west where you had someone riding shotgun on a stage coach??

I have seen someone ride M16 on an armoured bus

 

[miktre]

Last physical Temple became corrupt and became a complete desolation that was determined...

No temple again will be corrupt or become corrupt, simply will be a building as any other built by hands and points to nothing..

And Yet He IS Coming!

This is true but it doesn't take away from the fact that He was speaking specifically of the corrupt earthly temple in Matthew 24. He just got through telling the disciples, who wanted to show Him how great the temple was, that not only was it not holy but corrupt and shall be total and complete destruction come upon it.

 

[miktre]

Last physical Temple became corrupt and became a complete desolation that was determined...

No temple again will be corrupt or become corrupt, simply will be a building as any other built by hands and points to nothing..

And Yet He IS Coming!

They will rebuild the temple on the foundation(temple mount) but it will be for satan to sit in and deceive the whole world. Then shall that place be so utterly be destroyed there shall never be built another by hands ever again, forever.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdX_Ee7PiF8[/video]

 

[greatkraw]

Ezekial shows there will be a temple in the Millenium

it will be open new moons and sabbaths

now i am repeating myself just as you do

 

[miktre]

Ezekial
now i am repeating myself just as you do

The difference is that you have no grasp of the scripture therefore provide none.

 

[greatkraw]

The difference is that you have no grasp of the scripture therefore provide none.

do you walk around in a daze?


how many times do I have to post my references?


you think you are going to impress people because you say the same thing ten times?