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C
thank you for the stuff about holography
that is useful info
Oh your welcome, pretty interesting how after they water boarded the muslim terrorist and then later that night holographed allah in his cell telling him to corporate so his brothers don't get tortured.
You know they have a Christ program they can dial up or a Al Gore program.
144000 are a literal 144000 jewish male virgins
Hmmm you will have to show me that scripture because I clearly read only 12,000 were from the house of Judah and the rest were 11 other children of Israel.
that is useful info
Oh your welcome, pretty interesting how after they water boarded the muslim terrorist and then later that night holographed allah in his cell telling him to corporate so his brothers don't get tortured.
You know they have a Christ program they can dial up or a Al Gore program.
144000 are a literal 144000 jewish male virgins
Hmmm you will have to show me that scripture because I clearly read only 12,000 were from the house of Judah and the rest were 11 other children of Israel.
GODs REVELATION to DANIEL
ABOUT THE
144,000
IN
DANIEL 12:1.......is SPECIFIC to refer them as.......THY PEOPLE as I said earlier
and as in your pointed verse in REVELATIONS.......ISRAEL
this just reaffirms
it is DANIELS PEOPLE the 12 TRIBES of (JACOB) ISRAEL or 12 x 12,000 (144,000)
LIKE I SAID
if you read REVELATIONS 13:18 (INTRO 666 MARK at 3 1/2 year period)
the very next verse REVELATIONS 14:1-5 (144,000 RAPTURED and are with GOD)
WHICH PROVES
the only thing raptured at mid-trip is the 144,000
BECAUSE
we the BRIDE are already there in heaven
which also tells me
your twisting words to make a point that is ONLY what YOU want to see.......
M
There is no pre or mid tribulation rapture. Here are your verses you mention you say means mid-trib rapture although I still have yet to see any pre trib verses from you.
Revelation 13
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Yes very good, the mark of the beast is taken
Revelation 14
OK, here is where you've erred. Now many things have happened from the end of Rev 13 to the Beginning of Rev 14. If you read it you can easily tell that Christ has already returned and His throne is here on earth and everyone stands before the great white throne judgement. We are in the millennium. Zechariah 14 speaks of the work that was done between Rev 13 and 14, if you're interested.
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Where is the Lamb standing? He is on Mt sion here on earth as well as the 144,000. Clearly this is after Christ has returned. This is the new heaven and the new earth.
2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
This is a time for great celebration coming from New Jerusalem.
3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
The four beasts that guard Eden with the 144,000 that overcame the Great Tribulation and they are all here on Mt sion, all before the throne.
4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
They were not defiled with the great whore of babylon, they remained spiritual virgins by not partaking in the fake spiritual wedding with the false husband.
5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Ok now put 2 and 2 together. They are before the throne of God and they are standing on Mt sion. New Jerusalem is already here.
There is no mid-tribulation here. You see what I'm saying about getting honest and serious. You don't have to twist scripture, you just have to take a honest look at it and it comes alive and you find comfort in it. Praise God
Revelation 13
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Yes very good, the mark of the beast is taken
Revelation 14
OK, here is where you've erred. Now many things have happened from the end of Rev 13 to the Beginning of Rev 14. If you read it you can easily tell that Christ has already returned and His throne is here on earth and everyone stands before the great white throne judgement. We are in the millennium. Zechariah 14 speaks of the work that was done between Rev 13 and 14, if you're interested.
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Where is the Lamb standing? He is on Mt sion here on earth as well as the 144,000. Clearly this is after Christ has returned. This is the new heaven and the new earth.
2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
This is a time for great celebration coming from New Jerusalem.
3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
The four beasts that guard Eden with the 144,000 that overcame the Great Tribulation and they are all here on Mt sion, all before the throne.
4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
They were not defiled with the great whore of babylon, they remained spiritual virgins by not partaking in the fake spiritual wedding with the false husband.
5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Ok now put 2 and 2 together. They are before the throne of God and they are standing on Mt sion. New Jerusalem is already here.
There is no mid-tribulation here. You see what I'm saying about getting honest and serious. You don't have to twist scripture, you just have to take a honest look at it and it comes alive and you find comfort in it. Praise God
LET me say this is general text.......
WE
THE BRIDE of CHRIST
WILL NOT
BE
THOSE SPOKEN ABOUT
WHO
Must choose the MARK(666) or get beheaded
WE
THE BRIDE of CHRIST
WILL
ALREADY
BE GONE
WHICH
CAN only happen thru the RAPTURE which is PRE-TRIBULATION
IF
YOU are planning on how to decide whether to take MARK(666) or get beheaded
THEN
YOUR not really saved and have NO hope in GOD
AND
OBVIOUSLY
do not UNDERSTAND
the HOLY WORD of GOD and HIS SCRIPTURES.......
DANIEL 12:1 is SPECIFIC about the 3 1/2 YEAR MARK which is also proven in REVELATIONS
as I have given scripture that at this TIME when Satan is removed by MICHAEL, GOD will pour out extreme wrath and ALSO the 2 WITNESSES will be called back up to heaven
AND
AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE (144,000) SHALL BE DELIVERED.......
THIS IS
MID-TRIP RAPTURE
BUT
ONLY FOR
144,000
WE THE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST WILL ALREADY BE THERE
M
Lets take another look at what you wrote before and see once again where you erred.
You wrote:
REVELATIONS 6:12-17 GOD IN EXREME WRATH MODE THAT WONT END UNTIL AFTER ARMAGEDDON
This seems to be where you are making the error and thus leaving the rest of your time-line in disarray. This is not "GOD IN EXTREME WRATH MODE. This is when satan himself is cast to earth and at the very last moments those who mistakenly worshipped him can see the true Kingdom approaching and realize whats happening. It covers the begging when satan gets here and then goes directly to the end. Lets take another look at it.
Christ is the only one who could open the seals and He opened that book to John so that we can see more clearly not be more confused.
Lets read the about the sixth seal that Christ opened up for John and see what He showed him in this seal. You must keep in mind that from one seal to the next is not a chronological order of events, rather they each speak of a different topic during the Great Tribulation. They all witness to separate things that shall happen and some them happening simultaneously. I can further help you in understanding this if you need it.
The sixth seal is interesting it covers from when satan arrives to when shall live with Christ forever. It is error to think that getting the seal of God means rapture.
Revelations 6:12-17
12And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Oh and woe, something major is happening. This is symbolic of satans false kingdom arriving for he does not reflect light but the blood of death. The sun here is not darkened for the brightness of Christ coming but for the deception of satan.
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
The stars of heaven (fallen angels) that are cast from heaven like a fig tree casteth her untimely figs. This is when Michael battles satan and gives him the boot.
Now it goes to the end.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Heaven is on its way and the earth is preparing a spot for it, but this is not wrath.This is not the wrath yet.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Oh boy are they scared for they realize their error and they do not want to face Christ. Those testimonies from the Elect happened before their very eyes.
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
They would rather get smashed into nothing by rocks than face Christ and His wrath. All the evil works satan must have got them to do against the Elect. Many shall repent at this last moment and because of the great shame many will not before the seventh trump is blown. Once the seventh trump is blown it's over, friend. The wrath is not yet though.
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
You will be stand, my friend, because you never followed the fake. We are nearly in that great Day of the Lord but He still has to seal the 144,000.
Lets continue the reading of the sixth seal in chapter 7.
Revelation 7
1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
The winds are God's wrath. God's angel's are holding back God's wrath. Why? Read on...
2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Don't pour out the wrath yet. Why? Read on...
3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
They still have to seal the 144,000. Thats why.
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
They are now sealed, not raptured. You can read in seal seven that at the fifth trump of those with the seal of God. It is error to think that getting the seal of God means rapture.
Rev 9
4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
You wrote:
REVELATIONS 6:12-17 GOD IN EXREME WRATH MODE THAT WONT END UNTIL AFTER ARMAGEDDON
This seems to be where you are making the error and thus leaving the rest of your time-line in disarray. This is not "GOD IN EXTREME WRATH MODE. This is when satan himself is cast to earth and at the very last moments those who mistakenly worshipped him can see the true Kingdom approaching and realize whats happening. It covers the begging when satan gets here and then goes directly to the end. Lets take another look at it.
Christ is the only one who could open the seals and He opened that book to John so that we can see more clearly not be more confused.
Lets read the about the sixth seal that Christ opened up for John and see what He showed him in this seal. You must keep in mind that from one seal to the next is not a chronological order of events, rather they each speak of a different topic during the Great Tribulation. They all witness to separate things that shall happen and some them happening simultaneously. I can further help you in understanding this if you need it.
The sixth seal is interesting it covers from when satan arrives to when shall live with Christ forever. It is error to think that getting the seal of God means rapture.
Revelations 6:12-17
12And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Oh and woe, something major is happening. This is symbolic of satans false kingdom arriving for he does not reflect light but the blood of death. The sun here is not darkened for the brightness of Christ coming but for the deception of satan.
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
The stars of heaven (fallen angels) that are cast from heaven like a fig tree casteth her untimely figs. This is when Michael battles satan and gives him the boot.
Now it goes to the end.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Heaven is on its way and the earth is preparing a spot for it, but this is not wrath.This is not the wrath yet.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Oh boy are they scared for they realize their error and they do not want to face Christ. Those testimonies from the Elect happened before their very eyes.
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
They would rather get smashed into nothing by rocks than face Christ and His wrath. All the evil works satan must have got them to do against the Elect. Many shall repent at this last moment and because of the great shame many will not before the seventh trump is blown. Once the seventh trump is blown it's over, friend. The wrath is not yet though.
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
You will be stand, my friend, because you never followed the fake. We are nearly in that great Day of the Lord but He still has to seal the 144,000.
Lets continue the reading of the sixth seal in chapter 7.
Revelation 7
1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
The winds are God's wrath. God's angel's are holding back God's wrath. Why? Read on...
2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Don't pour out the wrath yet. Why? Read on...
3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
They still have to seal the 144,000. Thats why.
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
They are now sealed, not raptured. You can read in seal seven that at the fifth trump of those with the seal of God. It is error to think that getting the seal of God means rapture.
Rev 9
4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
M
Maybe you should take a look at these verses, for the rapurist has to explain all these away for his doctrine to hold true.
Challenge for all rapturists.
Challenge for all rapturists.
I know the rapturist prefers just one or two verses here and there to make his doctrine. So I shall provide him with one or two verses from here and there that shall utterly destroy his heretic doctrine. I challenge any rapturist to explain away these verses. He must make God's word void to hold on to his false doctrine, that will never happen.
The word's of Christ himself cannot be explained away.
MATTHEW 24
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Can't be much clearer than this, can it? This alone should be nuff said.
Revelation 2:10-11 (King James Version)
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Still think he's not talking to you? This is how you receive the crown of life not by flying away.
2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Why do we wait? Because satan will be here defacto setting up his false kingdom.
1 Corinthians 15:51-55
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Can anyone one here not count to seven? Satan comes at the sixth trump, in the sixth seal, the sixth vile.
Rev 9:3-4 (the Great Tribulation)
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Safe to say there will be men with the seal of God in their forehead.
Ephesians 6:10-18 (King James Version)
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
What evil day do you think he's talking about?
Revelation 13:12-15 (King James Version)
12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Who are the one's not worshipping the image of the beast? Only the true believers of God's word. Every other religion of the world shall worship the beast.
Revelation 7:13-17 (King James Version)
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: anthe devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. d he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
It reads: "Out of," not "out before.
Revelation 18:3-4 (King James Version)
3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
We won't suffer God's wrath the nations are already drunk. Did the children in Egypt suffer the plagues?
Daniel 12:11-12 (King James Version)
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait friend, don't follow the first to come.
Revelation 11:13
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
If God's remnant were gone then there would be no one to give glory to God.
In their fear, the rapturist has devised an imaginary escape plan from the end-time prophesies of God. Oh how satan loves to play upon fear. They would be better to have faith that God shall protect them as He has promised them that He would during the Great Tribulation. Stand up and act like a man, woman, or child of God and quit cowering to satan, he cannot hurt those who have the seal of God in their forehead, that is to say, God's truth! Learn the truth and be set free from the bondage of fear.
I must be emphatic in saying that most people (preachers/teachers) who teach the Rapture theory are not evil satan worshipping men. They themselves have been deceived and now they deceive others without even knowing it. So be kind on your preacher/teacher and show him the errors in the Rapture theory, they deserve the benefit of the doubt, just as you do, who may also have been deceived, deserve the assumption that you have been spreading satan's lies unaware. God has a reason for everything. Perhaps a person who comes out of the Rapture cult can have better success helping others out of it. God knows. And remember, false teaching is a sin like any other in the respect that you can take it to the cross and be forgiven by the precious blood of our Savior Jesus Christ, repenting and then go on with your life forgiven of that sin. As Jesus told the adulterous woman:
John 8:10-11
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
I'll leave you with this.10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Well yeah but it wouldn't be at any rate greater than the number of people who get saved today after watching the Da Vinci code or some other movie (and yes it does happen but not often). As an ex-pretrib rapture believer I'm familiar with the doctrine and part of that doctrine is that the Holy Spirit and the Church are removed. That means a) the Spirit won't be on earth to convict and save or regenerate anyone, and b) there will be no true preachers of the Word as they have been raptured, and c) the period of grace has ended. So, please have a little think about those things before coming to a conclusion that the rapture itself will save anyone left behind..in my opinion it is only hypothetical wishful thinking that is an impossibility if a) , b) and c) are true.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
EXCELLENT SCRIPTURE CHOICE TO END WITH HAD YOU ACTUALLY WERE CORRECT IN THE POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE
ONCE AGAIN
I WENT THRU EVERY SCRIPTURE SEQUENCE YOU LISTED
AND EVERY TIME
YOU EITHER MISLEAD THE READERS OR DID NOT POST COMPLETE SCRIPTURE SO YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW COULD BE EXPRESSED
UNLIKE MOST
I DID READ
AND AFTER EACH OF YOUR INCORRECT ATTEMPTS I WROTE THE CORRECT ANSWER
SO
IF ANYONE EVER READS THIS THEY WILL FINALLY KNOW YOUR FULL OF CRAP AND ARE THIS CLOSE TO FLAT OUT LYING TO MAKE YOUR POINT..........
EXCELLENT SCRIPTURE CHOICE TO END WITH HAD YOU ACTUALLY WERE CORRECT IN THE POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE
ONCE AGAIN
I WENT THRU EVERY SCRIPTURE SEQUENCE YOU LISTED
AND EVERY TIME
YOU EITHER MISLEAD THE READERS OR DID NOT POST COMPLETE SCRIPTURE SO YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW COULD BE EXPRESSED
UNLIKE MOST
I DID READ
AND AFTER EACH OF YOUR INCORRECT ATTEMPTS I WROTE THE CORRECT ANSWER
SO
IF ANYONE EVER READS THIS THEY WILL FINALLY KNOW YOUR FULL OF CRAP AND ARE THIS CLOSE TO FLAT OUT LYING TO MAKE YOUR POINT..........
The Rapture can not save anyone, Jesus Is the One who saves, through the rapture saved people might get spared from the wrath, and surely you know Bible, better than to say that just because the preachers are raptured out there won't be any more grace because the Bible says that an angel preaches the Gospel, yes an angel because all preachers are gone by way of rapture , never could figure out why God would use angel to preach, thanks for pointing out that important part,
Re 14:6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Re 14:6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Joint-heir, that's a bit too much reading for some people here LOL
Like you speak about picking and choosing verses, I think people forget that the bible reads like a story. You know, the kind of book with a plot and story line *scansroom* You can't switch the chapters or verses, or like I like to call it "Choose your own adventure" LOL But, Hey !
One day we'll all meet our maker and he'll know our true heart...he's known it all along.
And for those who presume to preach and teach, remember that God holds you even MORE accountable for the ideas you spread
May God bless you all in this life and the next!
Like you speak about picking and choosing verses, I think people forget that the bible reads like a story. You know, the kind of book with a plot and story line *scansroom* You can't switch the chapters or verses, or like I like to call it "Choose your own adventure" LOL But, Hey !
One day we'll all meet our maker and he'll know our true heart...he's known it all along.
And for those who presume to preach and teach, remember that God holds you even MORE accountable for the ideas you spread
May God bless you all in this life and the next!
One thing we haven't talked about really is how the period of grace ends with the coming of the anti-Christ. In other words, the church is raptured, there is no chance for those left behind - they are to face God's judgement. That's a good point that angels may preach, but still the Holy Spirit has been removed and you tell me pastor please how many people can get saved if the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth? After preaching so much about God's grace and salvation being a free gift, do you now say that a person in the tribulation can be saved by their own efforts ? Remember that being saved because you saw the rapture is still you trying to save yourself and doing it on your own.. particulary if the the Holy Spirit is removed... then there is no conviction, no regeneration, no infilling and no comforting or teaching for people who are saved during the tribulation if the Spirit is gone.
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Now I understand why God sends you strong delusion. I've never seen anyone hack the scriptures like you.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH THE BRIDE OF CHRIST WILL BE MANY THERE WILL STILL BE BILLIONS LEFT BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN GOD??? IT IS THESE PEOPLE THE BEAST WILL APPLY HIS 666 MARK TO. AND THOSE WHO DONT TAKE THE 666 MARK THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL THE TRIBULATION SAINTS WHICH ARE SEPARATE FROM THE BRIDE OF CHRIST SAINTS AND FROM THE 144,000.
Hold everything this is why you shall suffer from the great lie. You either say the scripture doesn't pertain to you or somehow deemed yourself holier the the saints and the 144,000. Saints different from bride of Christ saints??? woooooooooe Does anyone else see how insane their rapture doctrine is?
Revelation 2:10-11 (King James Version)
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Still think he's not talking to you? This is how you receive the crown of life not by flying away.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
BROTHER, BROTHER ARE YOU SERIOUS? WE ARE IN LAODICEA WHICH IS REVELATIONS 3:14-22
THE TIME PERIOD OF LIFE FROM WHEN THE DISCIPLE JOHN AT PATMOS WROTE THIS IS A CLEAR TIME PERIOD OF WHAT IS TO COME FROM JOHN TO US AND YOUR EXAMPLE SMYRNA WAS A LONG TIME BEFORE OUR DISPOSITION BROTHER IN FACT IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE 1950'S AND 1960'S WE CAN COMPARE THAT TIME PERIOD TO BE EXACT WITH REVELATIONS 3:7-13 WHICH IS THE TIME ERA OF PHILADELPHIA(BROTHERLY LOVE). COME ON BE FACTUAL AND SERIOUS WHEN YOUR TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THIS IS BEGINNING TO UPSET ME THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN SLIDE CRAP LIKE THIS IN HOPES PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT IT WHAT ARE YOU A FALSE PROPHET???
Beware here friends. He saying the satan has already come and fulfilled that prophecy and that he threw some of us into prison for ten days. Who in their right mind would believe that has already been fulfilled concerning tribulation? Philadelphia in the sixties? Are you off your rocker?
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
WOW, ONLY THE BLIND CANT SEE 21-31 IS IN FACT DANIEL 12:1, REVELATIONS 6:9-17, 7:9-17, 8:1-13, 9:1-21, 11:1-19, 12:1-17, 13:4-18, 14:1-20 WHICH IS 3 1/2 YEAR MARK AND BEGINNING OF GODs EXTREME WRATH UPON MAN FOR LAST OF TRIBULATION ALL THE WAY UNTO THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON WHICH YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRIBULATION THIS IS CORRECT IMMEDIATELY ARMAGEDDON WILL BEGIN AND JESUS WITH US THE BRIDE WILL DEFEAT ANTICHRIST AND BEAST, FALSE PROPHET AND THE WHORE.
You want an award for being able to add up 1,290 days or something? This scripture is very clear here are we to listen to Christ here or trust your corrupted timeline? I left the last verse because it indeed holds true and the lies can't explain it away.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
GLAD TO SEE YOU PICKING AND CHOOSING YOUR SCRIPTURES ONCE AGAIN TO MAKE YOUR WRONGFUL POINT. THE 5 VERSES YOU SELECTED FROM 2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-5 IS 2 THINGS...FOR ONE THIS IS SPEAKING ABOUT YES THE COMING OF THE ANTICHRIST BUT IT IS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE SIN OF APOSTACY AND THOSE FALSE PROPHETS RUNNING AROUND NAMING THE DAY AND TIME THAT DISCOURAGE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS TO FALL AWAY FROM DISCOURAGEMENT...THE SECOND POINT IS THIS PRECEDES THE MOST IMPORTANT KEY VERSE IN PROOF WE WILL BE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURED
Here I'll post the entire chapter which only goes further into confirming their will be no rapture.
2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.(hmmm this is ringing a bell)
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:(ringing a bell?)
12That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
THIS CAN NOT BE ANY MORE CLEARER AFTER THE BRIDE IS RAPTURED THEN ANTICHRIST SHALL BE REVEALED.......
That would be nice in dream world, to bad Paul never mentions nothing about a rapture here. Yet he says satan will be here and Christ won't come until after he has done his evil work here.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
HAHAHAHA WOW
THE LAST TRUMP RESURRECTION IS ABOUT THE DEAD FROM THE TRIBULATION WHICH IS EXPLAINED IN REVELATIONS 20:40-6
THE BRIDE OF CHRIST RESURRECTION IS A CATCHING AWAY THE DEAD IN CHRIST FIRST THEN US WHICH ARE YET ALIVE...NOTICE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-55 AS YOU ATTEMPT TO POINT OUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BRIDE WHICH SPECIFICLY SPEAKS ABOUT THE DEAD AND ALIVE TOGETHER ARE CAUGHT UP
ONCE AGAIN.......TRY THIS ON SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND..........
You failed again, lets look at Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
HOW MANY FIRST RESURRECTIONS CAN THERE BE??? Only a coward would teach those that get beheaded don't have Christ.
QUOTE:
"IF YOU are planning on how to decide whether to take MARK(666) or get beheaded THEN YOUR not really saved and have NO hope in GOD."
Wow, just Wow
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
YES AND NOTICE THIS COMES DIRECTLY AFTER SATAN IS PERMANTLY REMOVED FROM HEAVEN BY ARCH ANGEL MICHAEL THEN GOD OPENS UP HIS WRATH WHICH LIKE I HAVE POINTED OUT IN EVERY POST BEFORE THIS IS AT THE 3 1/2 YEAR MARK OF TRIBULATION
And the part I keep telling you completely fail at doing is proving any scripture saying that we will be gone. Are we to trust Christ on this matter or your wacky timeline.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
DID YOU JUST PICK THE BIBLE UP FOR THE FIRST TIME AND READ???
ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE TRIBULATIONS SAINT WHICH ARE NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST SAINTS OR THE 144,000
Wow you still deem yourself holier than them.
jOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
NOW YOUR JUST ADDING SCRIPTURE BECAUSE YOU FEEL THE MORE YOU ADD THIS MAKES OTHERS BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
AND FOR YOUR INFO
YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE
IT IS OBVIOUS
OR
YOU ARE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE FOR TO CAUSE OTHERS TO BELIEVE A LIE
No actually its a search for truth that why you didn't address the scripture.
Daniel 12:11-12 (King James Version)
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait friend, don't follow the first to come.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
FIRST THIS PROVES THIS TAKES PLACE AT THE 3 1/2 YEAR MARK OF TRIBULATION
THOSE THAT WAITHETH IN THE 1335 DAYS ARE THE BEHEADED TRIBUALATION SAINTS WHICH ONCE AGAIN IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BRIDE OF CHRIST SAINTS AND THE 144,000
Not everyone is beheaded, once again you operate out of fear.
Revelation 11:13
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
If God's remnant were gone then there would be no one to give glory to God.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
YOU ARE LIKE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND
THIS IS SPECIFICLY SPEAKING ABOUT THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION AND THE RAPTURE OF THE 2 WITNESSES AND YOU KNOW THIS BUT YOU ARE USING ANYTHING YOU CAN TO MAKE A POINT THAT YOU CANNOT MAKE.
No answer the question.If God's remnant were gone then there would be no one to give glory to God. You can't answer it, so you avoid it.
I'll leave you with this.
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
EXCELLENT SCRIPTURE CHOICE TO END WITH HAD YOU ACTUALLY WERE CORRECT IN THE POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE
Thank you, thats why I post sound doctrine and not some sloppy mess you want to call a timeline.
ONCE AGAIN
I WENT THRU EVERY SCRIPTURE SEQUENCE YOU LISTED
AND EVERY TIME
YOU EITHER MISLEAD THE READERS OR DID NOT POST COMPLETE SCRIPTURE SO YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW COULD BE EXPRESSED
Actually the scripture I posted spoke for itself. You would have to have quite the imagination to follow the lies you posted.
UNLIKE MOST
I DID READ
AND AFTER EACH OF YOUR INCORRECT ATTEMPTS I WROTE THE CORRECT ANSWER
Those are correct answers? Wow, and you proclaimed yourself a prophet of Ezekiel.
SO
IF ANYONE EVER READS THIS THEY WILL FINALLY KNOW YOUR FULL OF CRAP AND ARE THIS CLOSE TO FLAT OUT LYING TO MAKE YOUR POINT..........
If they have half a brain they will know to follow the simplicity in which Christ taught not your faily tail fly away fable.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH THE BRIDE OF CHRIST WILL BE MANY THERE WILL STILL BE BILLIONS LEFT BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN GOD??? IT IS THESE PEOPLE THE BEAST WILL APPLY HIS 666 MARK TO. AND THOSE WHO DONT TAKE THE 666 MARK THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL THE TRIBULATION SAINTS WHICH ARE SEPARATE FROM THE BRIDE OF CHRIST SAINTS AND FROM THE 144,000.
Hold everything this is why you shall suffer from the great lie. You either say the scripture doesn't pertain to you or somehow deemed yourself holier the the saints and the 144,000. Saints different from bride of Christ saints??? woooooooooe Does anyone else see how insane their rapture doctrine is?
Revelation 2:10-11 (King James Version)
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Still think he's not talking to you? This is how you receive the crown of life not by flying away.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
BROTHER, BROTHER ARE YOU SERIOUS? WE ARE IN LAODICEA WHICH IS REVELATIONS 3:14-22
THE TIME PERIOD OF LIFE FROM WHEN THE DISCIPLE JOHN AT PATMOS WROTE THIS IS A CLEAR TIME PERIOD OF WHAT IS TO COME FROM JOHN TO US AND YOUR EXAMPLE SMYRNA WAS A LONG TIME BEFORE OUR DISPOSITION BROTHER IN FACT IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE 1950'S AND 1960'S WE CAN COMPARE THAT TIME PERIOD TO BE EXACT WITH REVELATIONS 3:7-13 WHICH IS THE TIME ERA OF PHILADELPHIA(BROTHERLY LOVE). COME ON BE FACTUAL AND SERIOUS WHEN YOUR TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THIS IS BEGINNING TO UPSET ME THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN SLIDE CRAP LIKE THIS IN HOPES PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT IT WHAT ARE YOU A FALSE PROPHET???
Beware here friends. He saying the satan has already come and fulfilled that prophecy and that he threw some of us into prison for ten days. Who in their right mind would believe that has already been fulfilled concerning tribulation? Philadelphia in the sixties? Are you off your rocker?
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
WOW, ONLY THE BLIND CANT SEE 21-31 IS IN FACT DANIEL 12:1, REVELATIONS 6:9-17, 7:9-17, 8:1-13, 9:1-21, 11:1-19, 12:1-17, 13:4-18, 14:1-20 WHICH IS 3 1/2 YEAR MARK AND BEGINNING OF GODs EXTREME WRATH UPON MAN FOR LAST OF TRIBULATION ALL THE WAY UNTO THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON WHICH YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRIBULATION THIS IS CORRECT IMMEDIATELY ARMAGEDDON WILL BEGIN AND JESUS WITH US THE BRIDE WILL DEFEAT ANTICHRIST AND BEAST, FALSE PROPHET AND THE WHORE.
You want an award for being able to add up 1,290 days or something? This scripture is very clear here are we to listen to Christ here or trust your corrupted timeline? I left the last verse because it indeed holds true and the lies can't explain it away.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
GLAD TO SEE YOU PICKING AND CHOOSING YOUR SCRIPTURES ONCE AGAIN TO MAKE YOUR WRONGFUL POINT. THE 5 VERSES YOU SELECTED FROM 2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-5 IS 2 THINGS...FOR ONE THIS IS SPEAKING ABOUT YES THE COMING OF THE ANTICHRIST BUT IT IS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE SIN OF APOSTACY AND THOSE FALSE PROPHETS RUNNING AROUND NAMING THE DAY AND TIME THAT DISCOURAGE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS TO FALL AWAY FROM DISCOURAGEMENT...THE SECOND POINT IS THIS PRECEDES THE MOST IMPORTANT KEY VERSE IN PROOF WE WILL BE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURED
Here I'll post the entire chapter which only goes further into confirming their will be no rapture.
2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.(hmmm this is ringing a bell)
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:(ringing a bell?)
12That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
THIS CAN NOT BE ANY MORE CLEARER AFTER THE BRIDE IS RAPTURED THEN ANTICHRIST SHALL BE REVEALED.......
That would be nice in dream world, to bad Paul never mentions nothing about a rapture here. Yet he says satan will be here and Christ won't come until after he has done his evil work here.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
HAHAHAHA WOW
THE LAST TRUMP RESURRECTION IS ABOUT THE DEAD FROM THE TRIBULATION WHICH IS EXPLAINED IN REVELATIONS 20:40-6
THE BRIDE OF CHRIST RESURRECTION IS A CATCHING AWAY THE DEAD IN CHRIST FIRST THEN US WHICH ARE YET ALIVE...NOTICE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-55 AS YOU ATTEMPT TO POINT OUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BRIDE WHICH SPECIFICLY SPEAKS ABOUT THE DEAD AND ALIVE TOGETHER ARE CAUGHT UP
ONCE AGAIN.......TRY THIS ON SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND..........
You failed again, lets look at Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
HOW MANY FIRST RESURRECTIONS CAN THERE BE??? Only a coward would teach those that get beheaded don't have Christ.
QUOTE:
"IF YOU are planning on how to decide whether to take MARK(666) or get beheaded THEN YOUR not really saved and have NO hope in GOD."
Wow, just Wow
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
YES AND NOTICE THIS COMES DIRECTLY AFTER SATAN IS PERMANTLY REMOVED FROM HEAVEN BY ARCH ANGEL MICHAEL THEN GOD OPENS UP HIS WRATH WHICH LIKE I HAVE POINTED OUT IN EVERY POST BEFORE THIS IS AT THE 3 1/2 YEAR MARK OF TRIBULATION
And the part I keep telling you completely fail at doing is proving any scripture saying that we will be gone. Are we to trust Christ on this matter or your wacky timeline.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
DID YOU JUST PICK THE BIBLE UP FOR THE FIRST TIME AND READ???
ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE TRIBULATIONS SAINT WHICH ARE NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST SAINTS OR THE 144,000
Wow you still deem yourself holier than them.
jOINT-HEIRS COMMENT
NOW YOUR JUST ADDING SCRIPTURE BECAUSE YOU FEEL THE MORE YOU ADD THIS MAKES OTHERS BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
AND FOR YOUR INFO
YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE
IT IS OBVIOUS
OR
YOU ARE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE FOR TO CAUSE OTHERS TO BELIEVE A LIE
No actually its a search for truth that why you didn't address the scripture.
Daniel 12:11-12 (King James Version)
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait friend, don't follow the first to come.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
FIRST THIS PROVES THIS TAKES PLACE AT THE 3 1/2 YEAR MARK OF TRIBULATION
THOSE THAT WAITHETH IN THE 1335 DAYS ARE THE BEHEADED TRIBUALATION SAINTS WHICH ONCE AGAIN IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BRIDE OF CHRIST SAINTS AND THE 144,000
Not everyone is beheaded, once again you operate out of fear.
Revelation 11:13
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
If God's remnant were gone then there would be no one to give glory to God.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
YOU ARE LIKE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND
THIS IS SPECIFICLY SPEAKING ABOUT THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION AND THE RAPTURE OF THE 2 WITNESSES AND YOU KNOW THIS BUT YOU ARE USING ANYTHING YOU CAN TO MAKE A POINT THAT YOU CANNOT MAKE.
No answer the question.If God's remnant were gone then there would be no one to give glory to God. You can't answer it, so you avoid it.
I'll leave you with this.
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
JOINT-HEIRS COMMENTS
EXCELLENT SCRIPTURE CHOICE TO END WITH HAD YOU ACTUALLY WERE CORRECT IN THE POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE
Thank you, thats why I post sound doctrine and not some sloppy mess you want to call a timeline.
ONCE AGAIN
I WENT THRU EVERY SCRIPTURE SEQUENCE YOU LISTED
AND EVERY TIME
YOU EITHER MISLEAD THE READERS OR DID NOT POST COMPLETE SCRIPTURE SO YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW COULD BE EXPRESSED
Actually the scripture I posted spoke for itself. You would have to have quite the imagination to follow the lies you posted.
UNLIKE MOST
I DID READ
AND AFTER EACH OF YOUR INCORRECT ATTEMPTS I WROTE THE CORRECT ANSWER
Those are correct answers? Wow, and you proclaimed yourself a prophet of Ezekiel.
SO
IF ANYONE EVER READS THIS THEY WILL FINALLY KNOW YOUR FULL OF CRAP AND ARE THIS CLOSE TO FLAT OUT LYING TO MAKE YOUR POINT..........
If they have half a brain they will know to follow the simplicity in which Christ taught not your faily tail fly away fable.
M
The rapture doctrine is based on fear and ignorance of the word. What does man fear the most? He fears the unknown more than anything. Let us be reassured by the word that the Bible tells us if you refuse the mark of the beast doesn't mean you get beheaded as the rapurist wants to scare you into believing. Here is the verse:
Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The word of God clearly separates those who were beheaded(John the baptist, some of the disiples, ect) from those which didn't receive the mark of the beast. I admit if you just read it and never do you homework its easy to error and many rapurists don't take this subject seriously and honestly and only put forth half hearted efforts before they speak. Don't you think that before they start screaming "take the mark or get your head cut off", they would of at least checked it out thoroughly?
The problem here is not being familiar enough with God's word to tell that when he says "which" that it could of additional people or things. In this case it's people. Those familiar with KJV translation know this.
Lets look at the Strongs:
which #3748
whoever, whichever, whatever
Including the feminine hetis (hay'-tis), and the neuter ho,ti (hot'-ee) from hos and tis; which some, i.e. Any that; also (definite) which same -- X and (they), (such) as, (they) that, in that they, what(-soever), whereas ye, (they) which, who(-soever). Compare hoti.
see GREEK hos
see GREEK tis
see GREEK hoti
αἵτινες (aitines) − 10 Occurrences
ἅτινα (atina) − 5 Occurrences
ἥτις (ētis) − 38 Occurrences
οἵτινες (oitines) − 60 Occurrences
ὅστις (ostis) − 26 Occurrences
Now lets read it again:
Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and [whoever] had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Those that have died for the word of the Lord and those that have worshipped the beast.
Now for the good news Friends. the next 2 verses.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
How could they have been raptured away when this is the first resurrection??? You can only have one first. Yet they will go on believing the lie.
Those that worshipped the beast they are done, spiritually dead, but they will have their moment when satan is loosed again at the end of the millennium.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Do you want to be blessed by not taking the mark of the beast and then at the last trump in the twinkling of an eye take part in this resurrection? See how simple and good the word can be?
I use KJV only but I'll give you an example how other bibles have translated it.
Companion Bible KJV (E. W. Bullinger)
Footnotes; which=whosoever
New American Standard Bible
and those who had not worshiped the beast
American Standard Version
and such as worshipped not the beast,
Bible in Basic English
and those who did not give worship to the beast
Once again a case of sloppy Bible work by the rapurist.
Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The word of God clearly separates those who were beheaded(John the baptist, some of the disiples, ect) from those which didn't receive the mark of the beast. I admit if you just read it and never do you homework its easy to error and many rapurists don't take this subject seriously and honestly and only put forth half hearted efforts before they speak. Don't you think that before they start screaming "take the mark or get your head cut off", they would of at least checked it out thoroughly?
The problem here is not being familiar enough with God's word to tell that when he says "which" that it could of additional people or things. In this case it's people. Those familiar with KJV translation know this.
Lets look at the Strongs:
which #3748
whoever, whichever, whatever
Including the feminine hetis (hay'-tis), and the neuter ho,ti (hot'-ee) from hos and tis; which some, i.e. Any that; also (definite) which same -- X and (they), (such) as, (they) that, in that they, what(-soever), whereas ye, (they) which, who(-soever). Compare hoti.
see GREEK hos
see GREEK tis
see GREEK hoti
αἵτινες (aitines) − 10 Occurrences
ἅτινα (atina) − 5 Occurrences
ἥτις (ētis) − 38 Occurrences
οἵτινες (oitines) − 60 Occurrences
ὅστις (ostis) − 26 Occurrences
Now lets read it again:
Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and [whoever] had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Those that have died for the word of the Lord and those that have worshipped the beast.
Now for the good news Friends. the next 2 verses.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
How could they have been raptured away when this is the first resurrection??? You can only have one first. Yet they will go on believing the lie.
Those that worshipped the beast they are done, spiritually dead, but they will have their moment when satan is loosed again at the end of the millennium.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Do you want to be blessed by not taking the mark of the beast and then at the last trump in the twinkling of an eye take part in this resurrection? See how simple and good the word can be?
I use KJV only but I'll give you an example how other bibles have translated it.
Companion Bible KJV (E. W. Bullinger)
Footnotes; which=whosoever
New American Standard Bible
and those who had not worshiped the beast
American Standard Version
and such as worshipped not the beast,
Bible in Basic English
and those who did not give worship to the beast
Once again a case of sloppy Bible work by the rapurist.
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Let me post it again for no rapurist can make it past these verses, much less the other verses I posted, and use other verses or any false doctrine to try and explain it away.
So far these are the two reasons the rapurist wants to explain away the simplicity in which Christ taught concerning you and our gathering together unto Him
in Matthew 24.
#1. these verses don't pertain to the church.(typical)
#2. Christ here isn't talking about our gathering together unto Him being at the end of the Great Tribulation. Instead, He is talking about a different gathering for Armageddon after we've been raptured before the tribulation.
I will be addressing #2 as I already addressed #1 in an earlier post. If you notice Christ tells you the deception is still going on and don't believe them if they tell you if He is here or there. They are still trying to deceive the very Elect. Now if you are raptured away how in the heck could satan deceive you??? I think at least the rapurist who said it doesn't pertain to them is not crazy enough to believe this.
Notice in these verses Christ never mentions a rapture and yet lets you know that the Elect shall be here in the Great Tribulation and never mentions a word of us gathering together unto Him until the end. You think Christ just forgot to mention it?
MATTHEW 24(KJV)
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now look at the sixth vile and Armageddon and see it is at the End when we are gathered together and not a separate event.
REVELATIONS 16
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Hold the boat the Friends. Notice that? He comes as a thief. Does that sound familiar? Blessed is he that watcheth? Does that sound familiar? It should He told you that how many times in Matthew 24? So to say this is a different event than our gathering together with Christ is absurd. Funny thing is most rapurists say those verses mean rapture! Where do the lies end?
16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh
The rapurist loves to use these verses now he will haft to change that around too.
1 Thessalonians 5:2
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Better throw out this verse.
2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
You'll have to throw this verse in the trash also to make your false doctrine work.
See how easy it is when you stay in the Truth and don't haft keep changing things to make a false doctrine fit into the word of God.
So far these are the two reasons the rapurist wants to explain away the simplicity in which Christ taught concerning you and our gathering together unto Him
in Matthew 24.
#1. these verses don't pertain to the church.(typical)
#2. Christ here isn't talking about our gathering together unto Him being at the end of the Great Tribulation. Instead, He is talking about a different gathering for Armageddon after we've been raptured before the tribulation.
I will be addressing #2 as I already addressed #1 in an earlier post. If you notice Christ tells you the deception is still going on and don't believe them if they tell you if He is here or there. They are still trying to deceive the very Elect. Now if you are raptured away how in the heck could satan deceive you??? I think at least the rapurist who said it doesn't pertain to them is not crazy enough to believe this.
Notice in these verses Christ never mentions a rapture and yet lets you know that the Elect shall be here in the Great Tribulation and never mentions a word of us gathering together unto Him until the end. You think Christ just forgot to mention it?
MATTHEW 24(KJV)
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now look at the sixth vile and Armageddon and see it is at the End when we are gathered together and not a separate event.
REVELATIONS 16
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Hold the boat the Friends. Notice that? He comes as a thief. Does that sound familiar? Blessed is he that watcheth? Does that sound familiar? It should He told you that how many times in Matthew 24? So to say this is a different event than our gathering together with Christ is absurd. Funny thing is most rapurists say those verses mean rapture! Where do the lies end?
16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
NOW THE RAPURIST HAS REAL PROBLEMS EXPLAINING THESE VERSES.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh
The rapurist loves to use these verses now he will haft to change that around too.
1 Thessalonians 5:2
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Better throw out this verse.
2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
You'll have to throw this verse in the trash also to make your false doctrine work.
See how easy it is when you stay in the Truth and don't haft keep changing things to make a false doctrine fit into the word of God.