Rapture= false teaching

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miktre

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walt2000 said:
You have to keep it in Revelation .To understand Revelation .Rev.22/18-19​
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18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I think you are confusing adding with verses in Revelation referencing to other verses of the Bible.
Example:
Rev 16
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

You can see here where Revelations quotes a Christ in another book so we can confirm the word. This is very different from adding to the book of Revelations. By this we know to go back and see what Christ himself taught. This is not adding to Revelations, rather getting confirmation in the word. Big, big difference. The book of Revelations doesn't contradict the rest of the Bible, it confirms it.
 
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I think you are confusing adding with verses in Revelation referencing to other verses of the Bible.
Example:
Rev 16
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame

Revelation is a stand alone book.This tells you To leave the scripture alone ,Just yet . The vomit of the dragon.After the woman and Child.
They have been tamped with ,And to leave opinion alone, opinion of man until Christ Opens and give you the Key,walt2000​
 
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The Key is the Seven Thunders ,Tied together with the Eighth Thunder The Great Thunder.You Have to Get The Key To understand.Revelations.walt2000​
 
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That is why Revelation has been hidden for two thousand years. You Have to wait to get the Key.Christ holds the Keys to Heaven and Hell.And Guess what ,The key is given .The Seven Thunders.walt2000​
 
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The Book of Revelation was not hidden for 2000 years. Jesus Christ gave us and told us everything ahead of time.

Matthew 24:25
Behold, I have told you beforehand.
 
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Zilla64007 said:
The Book of Revelation was not hidden for 2000 years. Jesus Christ gave us and told us everything ahead of time.

Matthew 24:25
Behold, I have told you beforehand.
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Ya, and Three Thousand types of Christians in the World, Have the right versions of it' interpretation to. Your wrong and if you don' see the Thunders .walt2000​
 
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and you're the only one who got it right?... that's taking an awfully high and mighty position, walt.
 
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The interpretation of Revelations.
The Revelation of Christ to John
Open to all,no holds barred.with belate.
Only one Rule. That Christ made himself Rev.22/18 -20
walt2000(Acts 2:16-17) “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”

Walt, you just broke your own rule here by implying that the seven thunders is interpreted according to the Book of Acts. Revelations said the seven thunders were sealed. It doesn't say they will be unsealed by prophets. You will have to add to Revelations to teach this doctrine. Beware of Rev 22:18-20
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Ask anybody,(that Say's he is a prophet of Rev.) if they can interpet Rev .10, and tell you what the seven thunders said to the church's, if they stay within Revelation, and don't use any other book , then they are worth listening too, if they can not then leave them alone, they are false prophets.They all commit the same sin ,of Revelation 22/18 and are condemned.To with the plagues of Rev.
It says nowhere in Revelations or any where else in the Bible that those who don't unseal the seven thunders is a false prophet. This is Lie! It doesn't even say when they will be unsealed.
It never says that the book of Revelations doesn't confirm other books in the Bible. This is a Lie! I already gave you an example:"Behold, I come as a thief" Can you interpret the meaning of this scripture??? You can not without the Gospels and Pauls teaching, thus proving you wrong.

1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

1:3 Blessed he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time at hand.


Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18-19 and underline it.


22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book. 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

This is not a End of Time Prediction. It is a true interp. of Revelation no time is Known​
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walt2000 said:
Revelation is a stand alone book.This tells you To leave the scripture alone ,Just yet . The vomit of the dragon.After the woman and Child.

They have been tamped with ,And to leave opinion alone, opinion of man until Christ Opens and give you the Key,walt2000​
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No book of the Bible is "stand alone" because there is one Divine Author. Even a glimpse at Daniel and Zechariah will show that they have much to contribute in the understanding of Revelation.
 
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Prove this wrong and you might have something.
 
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You can not argue with the absolute ,except ,may be shut them down.
When they are making their point, and the moment they start in ,with another scripture, other then Rev.
You point out the infraction against the rule in Rev.22/18 that , shuts them down ,dead, in the water, then, you bring up Rev.10/4 Explain Rev.10/4 with out introducing any other bible point or version .You baffle them with you intellect.
Mind You,You may lose a so called friend, but ,you may win a soul for Christ. I have been eased out of many a church in the middle of their testimony on their version of the pope hating so called Christians.
Some People Kiss you ,while other people have to reassess their view ,and really, try to change the subject.
So keeping to the rule of Rev.22/18 it is a defensive method ,in favour of your church ,.As if he needs help.Walt2000
 
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You can not argue with the absolute ,except ,may be shut them down.
When they are making their point, and the moment they start in ,with another scripture, other then Rev.
You point out the infraction against the rule in Rev.22/18 that , shuts them down ,dead, in the water, then, you bring up Rev.10/4 Explain Rev.10/4 with out introducing any other bible point or version .You baffle them with you intellect.
Mind You,You may lose a so called friend, but ,you may win a soul for Christ. I have been eased out of many a church in the middle of their testimony on their version of the pope hating so called Christians.
Some People Kiss you ,while other people have to reassess their view ,and really, try to change the subject.
So keeping to the rule of Rev.22/18 it is a defensive method ,in favour of your church ,.As if he needs help.Walt2000
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You are avoiding the "behold, I come as a thief" quote I put forth. Secondly, did you not do this very thing when you quoted Acts?
 
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i just wanna say

you are all wrong

it is hard to say who is wronger:)
 
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greatkraw said:
i just wanna say

you are all wrong

it is hard to say who is wronger:)
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I like that, wronger.

I got in trouble with my grandmother once, I said more gooder. She asked me what I meant, and I said, you know, gooder, more gooder, and way more gooder.
 
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Lol these threads really amuse me. there's one thing for definite, Our Lord and saviour is coming back. How that pans out, well we could argue amongst ourselves until that day. I must admit when it comes to the book of revelation Im not totally convinced by all the flow charts, fancy diagrams etc.

Many believe that alot of the book of revelation has taken place already. all the talk of rapture the rise of Europe etc is in the scheme of things new teachings, particularly with the rise of dispensationalism, which as far as i know started with the Brethern here in the UK.

So when was the book of revelation written? this will also assert how you see the apocalyptic writing of John, was it definitely in the 90's or was it before 70Ad. and there is no definite certainty on either side, just arguments put forward by Scholars,
Do you read revelations in a linear fashion? or as one group showing God's victory over evil and His workings for His people who will be glorified.

Anyhow, this be totally honest with ourselves, we are not totally sure how it is all going to pan out, yes that may come as a shock, as maybe your favourite TV evangelist may expound his or her own theology, but there are other sides of the coin.

Kind Regards

Phil
 
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By the way Miktre, that is a lovely chart.. means absolutely nothing. Just another fallible mans ideas maybe right maybe wrong!

Kind regards

Phil
 
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oops sorry, nice chart walt200, that Miktre is using. or whoever origanally spent alot of their energy drawing it out.

Thanks for pointing that out Zilla

Kind regards

Phil
 
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miktre

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I'm not using it for anything. He wants to use it to prove that anybody that doesn't know the thunders is a false prophet, which in itself is not Biblical. The chart really has no value whatsoever other than that.
 
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