RAPTURE, PRE OR POST?

[loveme1]

You are using scripture to support a "theory", that the Bible does not support..

Interpretation of the Bible is not by philosophy, but by truth.

You are not here to help anyone, you are here to convince yourself that you are right.

We are here to tell others that Almighty Yahweh is telling us the truth through the Bible, and Yeshua is our Messiah.

You are promoting a man made theory.

You are either for or against Almighty Yahweh God, you either accept it all or you have none.

There is something unsettling about the people supporting the universal idea.

I only reply, so that any lost sheep, may not be caught up in this trap.

Almighty Yahweh God and Yeshua my Messiah, how blessed are we...

 

[shroom2]

If the disciples didn't experience the Lords "2nd coming" they would not have been able to describe it and write it down for us.

Complete nonsense. Paul and John received revelation concerning future events.

The only reason why we know what it is we are experiencing is because of this written record.

You are not "experiencing" the resurrection.

Otherwise all I could tell you is that I have had a bunch of amazing experiences with the Lord.

That's wonderful. But the resurrection is not one of your "experiences".

I'm not going to pretend none of it happened just to fit in with christians. If you don't believe your own bible that is not something I can fix.

You do not have to pretend it didn't happen, because it hasn't yet.

 

[AnandaHya]

There is something unsettling about the people supporting the universal idea.

I only reply, so that any lost sheep, may not be caught up in this trap.

Almighty Yahweh God and Yeshua my Messiah, how blessed are we...

Hi Sister Loveme: I agree, is it is unsettling.

would you like to go down to the river with me?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1FQqSGxBso[/video]

I have to do my chores now have a blessed day

 

[Grandpa]

Complete nonsense. Paul and John received revelation concerning future events.


You are not "experiencing" the resurrection.


That's wonderful. But the resurrection is not one of your "experiences".


You do not have to pretend it didn't happen, because it hasn't yet.

Paul and John were born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. They wrote down their experiences and teaching for all to see and learn.

The whole reason why people teach the 2nd coming is some future event is because they don't realize it is speaking of spiritual things. People generally don't understand the spiritual things that are spoken of in the bible. That's why there are so many different views of Revelation and eschatology.

That is why it is called Revelation. If it is not revealed to you then it is still hidden from you. Christ is revealed Now. He has come in Power and not just in word. He comes to Save us Now. I know it because He has come for me. I'm not guessing, its not a theory of mine. The Lord is for us NOW. He has come to give you Life and to set you Free, NOW.

This is how the disciples knew they were not citizens of this world but of the world to come. Their spirits were made alive by Christ, resurrected, the dead was made alive, their new citizenship was in the place their spirits were translated to.

 

[2knowhim]

Paul and John were born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. They wrote down their experiences and teaching for all to see and learn.

The whole reason why people teach the 2nd coming is some future event is because they don't realize it is speaking of spiritual things. People generally don't understand the spiritual things that are spoken of in the bible. That's why there are so many different views of Revelation and eschatology.

That is why it is called Revelation. If it is not revealed to you then it is still hidden from you. Christ is revealed Now. He has come in Power and not just in word. He comes to Save us Now. I know it because He has come for me. I'm not guessing, its not a theory of mine. The Lord is for us NOW. He has come to give you Life and to set you Free, NOW.

This is how the disciples knew they were not citizens of this world but of the world to come. Their spirits were made alive by Christ, resurrected, the dead was made alive, their new citizenship was in the place their spirits were translated to.

Amen My Brother

 

[shroom2]

Paul and John were born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. They wrote down their experiences and teaching for all to see and learn.

They wrote what they received from God by revelation. They did not "experience" the second coming. It is a literal future event.

The whole reason why people teach the 2nd coming is some future event is because they don't realize it is speaking of spiritual things. People generally don't understand the spiritual things that are spoken of in the bible. That's why there are so many different views of Revelation and eschatology.

That is why it is called Revelation. If it is not revealed to you then it is still hidden from you. Christ is revealed Now. He has come in Power and not just in word. He comes to Save us Now. I know it because He has come for me. I'm not guessing, its not a theory of mine. The Lord is for us NOW. He has come to give you Life and to set you Free, NOW.

Yes, sort of. If you are a Christian, you are born of holy spirit, which is Christ in you. That is not "the second coming". The second coming of Christ will be a literal event. The battle of Armageddon will be a literal event. You want to spiritualize things that have literal meaning. You wind up with error.

This is how the disciples knew they were not citizens of this world but of the world to come. Their spirits were made alive by Christ, resurrected, the dead was made alive, their new citizenship was in the place their spirits were translated to.

They were NOT resurrected. When they became Christian they hadn't even died yet. Resurrection means a raising from the DEAD. Jesus Christ is the ONLY one to be raised from death to eternal life so far.

 

[Graybeard]

If Jesus has come already, then why on earth were these scriptures written AFTER He was raised.......there are plenty more to verify that HE IS COMING!

2Th 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Th 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!


1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God

Heb 10:37 "FOR YET A LITTLE WHILE, AND HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME AND WILL NOT TARRY.

Jas 5:7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.
Jas 5:8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.



Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!


Rev 16:15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."

Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him,.......

1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

 

[Grandpa]

They wrote what they received from God by revelation. They did not "experience" the second coming. It is a literal future event.


Yes, sort of. If you are a Christian, you are born of holy spirit, which is Christ in you. That is not "the second coming". The second coming of Christ will be a literal event. The battle of Armageddon will be a literal event. You want to spiritualize things that have literal meaning. You wind up with error.


They were NOT resurrected. When they became Christian they hadn't even died yet. Resurrection means a raising from the DEAD. Jesus Christ is the ONLY one to be raised from death to eternal life so far.

The dead are given Life. If that is not a resurrection I don't know what is. A person who does not have spiritual life is dead.

These things Literally occur. They literally happen in the Kingdom of the Spirit.

John 18:36-37
36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

 

[Graybeard]

Mat 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Mar 13:30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place

Luk 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place

so what did Jesus mean when He said this?......many understand this statement was directed at the generation at that time, but if one reads it in context, you have to include what Jesus was talking about before He said this. He explained how things will be on Earth and concluded that ALL the things He spoke about will happen during THAT generations time.....

 

[peterT]

If you don't want to believe it then just stay as you are and keep up the ridicule.
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What ridicule? What are you talking about?

You have little understanding of the scriptures. Just enough to puff yourself up.



This is my prayer for all of you. Even you peterT, LOL...

It’s you that have ridiculed me. I am not laughing, I am being completely sierras

If you come back with any serious questions I will be happy to reply.

I don’t need to ask you any serious questions, and you don’t need to reply.


I have looked at you statements and I am just responding, and taking a leaf from Jeremiahs mission, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


Jeremiah 1:10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


Your faith is over inflated like a big balloon, it looks big but it’s just full of air.


You should have stuck to the basics of faith first, like walking by faith, and living by faith, Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers first. But instead you went straight to the rewards, and apparently got your new bodies and are now ruling the earth for the 1000s years, which is for them that got the victory over the mark of the beast, and didn’t worshipped the beast or his image.


Rv20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Your faith is over inflated like a big balloon. And I am just a pin, and maybe the Lord well use me to pop your inflated faith, so you can get back to the basics of faith, and back to some kind of Christian normality, that's based on Bible doctrine, that’s not being blown up out of all proportion.


And I have a funny feeling that you probably thing you are one of the two witnesses from Rv11 as well. And I am not ridiculing you I am being completely sierras.

 

[2knowhim]

PeterT,

Do you believe that there is a hearing in The Spirit, and a Seeing in The Spirit?

 

[2knowhim]

Mat 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Mar 13:30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place

Luk 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place

so what did Jesus mean when He said this?......many understand this statement was directed at the generation at that time, but if one reads it in context, you have to include what Jesus was talking about before He said this. He explained how things will be on Earth and concluded that ALL the things He spoke about will happen during THAT generations time.....

this generation? A significant expression, occurring sixteen times (Mat_11:16; Mat_12:41, Mat_12:42; Mat_23:36; Mat_24:34. Mar_8:12, Mar_8:12; Mar_13:30. Luk_7:31; Luk_11:30, Luk_11:31, Luk_11:32, Luk_11:50, Luk_11:51; Luk_17:25; Luk_21:32). Characterized by other epithets, "evil" and "adulterous" (Mat_12:39, Mat_12:45; Mat_16:4. Mar_8:38. Luk_11:29); "faithless and perverse" (Mat_17:17. Mar_9:19. Luk_9:41); "untoward" (Act_2:40). All this because it was the particular generation that rejected the Messiah.

 

[Grandpa]

What ridicule? What are you talking about?



It’s you that have ridiculed me. I am not laughing, I am being completely sierras



I don’t need to ask you any serious questions, and you don’t need to reply.


I have looked at you statements and I am just responding, and taking a leaf from Jeremiahs mission, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


Jeremiah 1:10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


Your faith is over inflated like a big balloon, it looks big but it’s just full of air.


You should have stuck to the basics of faith first, like walking by faith, and living by faith, Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers first. But instead you went straight to the rewards, and apparently got your new bodies and are now ruling the earth for the 1000s years, which is for them that got the victory over the mark of the beast, and didn’t worshipped the beast or his image.


Rv20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Your faith is over inflated like a big balloon. And I am just a pin, and maybe the Lord well use me to pop your inflated faith, so you can get back to the basics of faith, and back to some kind of Christian normality, that's based on Bible doctrine, that’s not being blown up out of all proportion.


And I have a funny feeling that you probably thing you are one of the two witnesses from Rv11 as well. And I am not ridiculing you I am being completely sierras.

I bet the religious of Noahs time thought the same way you do.

I bet they were 100% sure that Noah was wrong.

I bet they thought he was ridiculous.

I wonder if Noah tried to explain to them what was happening?


One of the two witnesses?? I am just one of the Lords little ones. The Lord has blessed me. I'm nothing special, except that God loves me. Knowing that is pretty special, and unique, to me, but no one really cares.

 

[Grandpa]

2 Corinthians 5:1-11

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight
8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

2 Corinthians 5:1 in my own words... If our flesh bodies die, we KNOW we have a spirit body made by God, and this is our ETERNAL LIFE with Him.

2 Corinthians 5:5 in my own words... God has made us for this, He has already shown us our spirit bodies that He has made for us when we were born again of the Spirit by Him.

Are you starting to see?

ps. I love those smiley faces that are in the punctuation of the KJV bible. They occur in just the right spots!!!

 

[Grandpa]

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:25-27
25For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

26For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. 27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

 

[shroom2]

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:25-27
25For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

26For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. 27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

It didn't happen, did it Grandpa. The kingdom of God is still not here. Instead, we now have this administration of grace, the mystery, which was known only to God.

 

[Grandpa]

It didn't happen, did it Grandpa. The kingdom of God is still not here. Instead, we now have this administration of grace, the mystery, which was known only to God.

This mystery the Lord can reveal to you too.

The kingdom of God is here, Right now. It absolutely DID/DOES happen, the Lord was not kidding or mistaken in what He has said.

 

[shroom2]

This mystery the Lord can reveal to you too.

I believe I understand it, and you do not. You are oblivious to it.

The kingdom of God is here, Right now.

Really? Look around you. The world is a train wreck. When the kingdom of God does come (the millennial kingdom), Christ will be ruling with a rod of iron. There will be plenty for all to eat, people will dwell in safety, the devil will be bound.

It absolutely DID/DOES happen, the Lord was not kidding or mistaken in what He has said.

He did not know about God's mystery, the sacred secret. Nobody did except God (Rom 16:25, 1 Cor 2:7,8, Eph 3:9, Eph 6:19, Col 1:26). Jesus, and many others, believed he would be returning to earth soon, approx 7 years after his ascension. The disciples asked him "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?". Instead, Pentecost happened, and we are now living in the administration of grace, which will end with the rapture. THEN comes the trib, with the events Jesus spoke of in Matt 24.

 

[peterT]

I bet the religious of Noahs time thought the same way you do.

I bet they were 100% sure that Noah was wrong.

I bet they thought he was ridiculous.

I wonder if Noah tried to explain to them what was happening?


One of the two witnesses?? I am just one of the Lords little ones. The Lord has blessed me. I'm nothing special, except that God loves me. Knowing that is pretty special, and unique, to me, but no one really cares.

You teach you have a new body and the resurrection Jesus coming in the clouds and he gathered his elect together in 70AD.
Then you deny the resurrection has past.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

You teach; if Christians, look to bible scriptures for future events they delay the lords coming, when that’s exactly what the disciples did, look to bible scriptures for future events.


Pretending you have a new body doesn’t class as faith. It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, it doesn’t make it so, and it doesn’t make it faith.

You have a body just like everyone else’s body, including the unbelievers or the Jews or the Muslims.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Psalms 144:11 Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:

You have a cult like doctrine at best, and it seems to have a few followers, but we shouldn’t be surprised, for it says 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

To take a few scriptures out of context doesn’t make you doctrine the Lords doctrine

Yes and the lord dose love you, but I can’t see him being happy with your false witness

 

[Grandpa]

You have a cult like doctrine at best, and it seems to have a few followers, but we shouldn’t be surprised, for it says 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


Yes and the lord dose love you, but I can’t see him being happy with your false witness

I would say there are very few people who believe what I believe. And yet I've shown you that it is very much a biblical concept.

However there are MANY who believe in a Post-Trib rapture. There are MANY who believe in a Pre-Trib rapture. Many deceived...

Its a little funny if you think about what a prophet does. He tells you of future events. I haven't prophesied of future events. I have told you that your false prophets are actually prophesying of Present Events, on accident.

The Kingdom of God is at Hand, Right Now. That's not a prophecy, that's a fact.

A false witness is one who utters lies. I have not done that. Why would I? I have posted bible verses to show why I believe my experiences are biblical and that the disciples and other believers have had these experiences too. So what exactly am I lying about?

I'm not offended by what you say. You don't know any better. But it will get old quite quickly if you assume I am lying.

You haven't given any thought to any of the scriptures I have shown you or any of the explanations I have given, have you? That's ok. This will help someone else, I'm sure, maybe someone who is having experiences with the Lord right now and has many questions...