RAPTURE, PRE OR POST?

[loveme1]

You are part of the new age delusion............. do not come here trying to lead others down your path.

For all we know you could be an offender and not a victim of this falsehood.


Either way, you are playing with fire...


Leave the truth alone!!





For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


All you are doing is taking the word "world" and assuming it means all.

Yet if you read on... it clearly states "he that believeth on him is not condemned"

It does not say, when all believeth on him, shall we have everlasting life. .............


But I tell you who your idea best suits, and that is the anti- christ who also is working toward a one world order... your theology really does fit in best with that part of the Bible.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

 

[Grandpa]

You are part of the new age delusion............. do not come here trying to lead others down your path.

For all we know you could be an offender and not a victim of this falsehood.


Either way, you are playing with fire...


Leave the truth alone!!





For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


All you are doing is taking the word "world" and assuming it means all.

Yet if you read on... it clearly states "he that believeth on him is not condemned"

It does not say, when all believeth on him, shall we have everlasting life. .............


But I tell you who your idea best suits, and that is the anti- christ who also is working toward a one world order... your theology really does fit in best with that part of the Bible.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

Who are you talking to?

 

[peterT]

I would say there are very few people who believe what I believe. And yet I've shown you that it is very much a biblical concept.

However there are MANY who believe in a Post-Trib rapture. There are MANY who believe in a Pre-Trib rapture. Many deceived...

Its a little funny if you think about what a prophet does. He tells you of future events. I haven't prophesied of future events. I have told you that your false prophets are actually prophesying of Present Events, on accident.

The Kingdom of God is at Hand, Right Now. That's not a prophecy, that's a fact.

A false witness is one who utters lies. I have not done that. Why would I? I have posted bible verses to show why I believe my experiences are biblical and that the disciples and other believers have had these experiences too. So what exactly am I lying about?

I'm not offended by what you say. You don't know any better. But it will get old quite quickly if you assume I am lying.

You haven't given any thought to any of the scriptures I have shown you or any of the explanations I have given, have you? That's ok. This will help someone else, I'm sure, maybe someone who is having experiences with the Lord right now and has many questions...

Yes the Kingdom of God is at Hand, Right Now.

Yes and the Kingdom of God is within.

But it doesn’t mean you have you new body.

And it doesn’t mean the resurrection has past already in 70AD.

Your doctrine is the same devils lie, just dressed in a different package, and that lie is, Christians will not be going through the great tribulation.

Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

 

[Grandpa]

Yes the Kingdom of God is at Hand, Right Now.

Yes and the Kingdom of God is within.

But it doesn’t mean you have you new body.

And it doesn’t mean the resurrection has past already in 70AD.

Your doctrine is the same devils lie, just dressed in a different package, and that lie is, Christians will not be going through the great tribulation.

Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Do you realise that scripture is about you and your religion? Probably not. That scripture is about you and your religion.

I am not prophesying. I am witnessing. Do you see the difference? I'm not telling you of future events. You are attempting to tell others of future events. I am witnessing facts that happen now.

You have no idea of what truth is, but, if you did you would know that I have never once said Christians won't go through tribulation. But you are so stuck on your False prophecies that if anything even SEEMS to be against it you attack. Not because what I say is truth or not, but because it doesn't line up with what you think.

Could you explain 2 Corinthians 5:1-11?? Did I do a bad job explaining it?

 

[peterT]

You have no idea of what truth is, but, if you did you would know that I have never once said Christians won't go through tribulation.

I don’t know what you are talking about; sorry I thought you said Matt 24 was fulfilled.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You say the Jesus came in the clouds and gather together his elect in 70AD.

That puts the great tribulation in the past, so I assumed that you thought Christians in the last days are not going into great tribulation as you seem to think it is fulfilled already.

I am witnessing. I am witnessing facts that happen now.

No you’re not, you are saying that the resurrection has passed all ready and Jesus came in the clouds and gathered his elect together in 70 AD, sorry but that’s not witnessing facts.

So let’s get this bit right, are Christians going through the great tribulation that Jesus spoke about?

 

[Grandpa]

Yes, christians go through the great tribulation that Jesus spoke about.

I think the descriptions of meeting the Lord in the clouds, the dead being made alive, the rapture, corruptible being made into incorruptible is describing being born again of the Spirit by the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:1-5

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:


3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.


Don't these scriptures agree with what I am saying? Doesn't Paul know that he has eternal life that God has given him? Doesn't Paul know that being absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, in this house made by God?

Paul was born again. That is how we got the descriptions for what happens (meeting the Lord in the air). The bible tries to describe spiritual things in the spiritual world that we cannot see, to carnal minds. It is a very difficult thing.

Blessed are they who believe and have not seen...

Originally Posted by Grandpa

I am witnessing. I am witnessing facts that happen now.

No you’re not

Am too... LOL

 

[peterT]

Yes, christians go through the great tribulation that Jesus spoke about.

Well that changes things a bit, and that’s the battle 90% over with you then.
For that was my main concern a doctrine that is dangerous.

I take some things back of what I said to you then, sorry.


But I still have my doubts about this because, how do Christians go through the great tribulation that Jesus spoke about in Matt24 if the resurrection took place in 70AD Immediately after the tribulation, that Jesus was speaking about ?

I think the descriptions of meeting the Lord in the clouds, the dead being made alive, the rapture, corruptible being made into incorruptible is describing being born again of the Spirit by the Lord.

No that’s not right even tho it’s a big peace of it, By faith


But I am not going to get into it I don’t thing because it’s not a dangerous doctrine on its own and it wasn’t my main concern.

But I will say this

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body.

My body is still vile, so he hasn’t changed my body that’s fashioned like unto his glorious body yet.

You have no idea of what truth is,

And I bring this up because I think it is important.

I don’t know much about truth you say? That’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Well apparently I know more about truth than you, because you accuse Christians of, if they look to bible scripture for a future event they are delaying the Lords coming. But that exactly what the disciples did.


You also accused Christians of, if they are waiting for the resurrection they are waiting to be saved, but we are saved already by are faith. So I do no some things about truth compered to you on this matter.

 

[iamsoandso]

"saved",,,,,does saved mean "save yourselves"????????,,,or does it mean me,,and you could not do it and the lord god sent an "Savior" to save me and you,,,,when were finished trying to save ourselves?????????blessed be the name of the saviour who saved such a goofy man like me,,and also had mercy,on those seeing me saved and being confused stumbled into trying to to copy my works and accomplish it too,,,,,,,,,here is the magic of it i tell you,,,"i fell on my face and the lord took me and slid me through the mud and the smell of the mankind,,,,,,,,,all of the flesh of my hands were worn off,, the lord took me by the hair of the back of my head,,and put my face into the very soil that men came from,,,,,,,,,,he scooted me along,,,,,rubbing my face into the works of the hands of men and the doctrine they teach,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and he stood me up at the foot of the cross,,,,,,,,,,,and said to me look,,,,,iamsoandso,,,,you want to save theses men,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"see what my son hath done",,,,,,,,,he said "iamsoandso,you think to save them",,,,,,,,,,but i am showing you what the works of my son has done,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i amsoandso you think them unclean",,,,,,,,,,,,and you seek to save them whom my sons blood has purchased,,,,,,,,,,,,,"iamsoandso you deny my sons blood in your works",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you seek to save and my son is brought salvation,,,,,,,,,,,,,receive you no other word other than Christ crucified,,,,,,,,,,,,preach you no other word,,,,,speak the good news,,,,,,,,,,,,,give the comfort,,,,,,,,,,,the weight of the confusion is on the shoulders of any other man who will seek to become saved by the works of their own hands,,,,,,,,,in yerusalim at the gate a blind man will see,,,but a man coming of his own will,will be crippled,,,the starving will be fed and those who eat will starve,,,,,,,the one who is walking he will be crippled,,,,,and the crippled will walk,,,,,,,,,he who split the dove into two parts will have none,,,,and them that have not an dove,,,,,,,,,,"one will suffice",,,,,,,,,,,father there is the wood and the alter,,,where is the sacrifice?????????,,,,,,,the lord will provide it,,Isaac,,,,,,,,,,,,"how will an an seek to save himself and deny the cross has saved his own self???????his works confess him,,,he seeks salvation for he does not believe on the cross which is his salvation,,,,,,,,,he begs the lord to save him for he sees not the cross and the lord has saved him,,,so he ask the almighty to give him the thing he does not believe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he denies the salvation to the face of god,,,,,,,,,,,in the presence of the cross,,,,,,,,where he should have given thanks and broke forth into singing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but instead stumbled in disbelief and then when he could not find salvation,,,,they then set about to accomplish the work of saving themselves by their own works when the lord is accomplished it on the cross,,,,,,,,,,,"saved" does it mean you are to go about the works of saving yourselves???????or does it mean ,,,,,,that Christ went about the work of saving you????????????????????i would rather dragged you to the cross and stood you up and showed you he saved you,,,,,,,than show you how to be come saved and deny the cross,,,,,,that is and you will beg to differ,,,,it is not given to me to save any of you by the hand of god,,,but by the hand of god it is given to you to see your salvation and that your works are not of any affect,,,,but death,,,,rest from your works of saving yourselves,they cannot,,,,,,,,,look at the cross,this is the word given to me that you rest from your works,,,,that you rejoice and are at peace,,,,rest,,,,,for many of the mankind seek to breath the air and they do breath it but do not believe they do,,,,,nor do they see the salvation and so they seek it and do not understand they deny it,,,,,,,,,,my lord comes to the gate of the city and the blind ask for alms,,,,,,,,,,and they receive it but they go into the city and say the lord is come,,,to the men who cannot see and they are seeing,,,,,,,i cannot save neither me nor you,,,,,and my lord is the Savior of us all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,receive no man lest he come in the name of the lord crucified,,,,,,,,,,say in your hearts,,,,,,,,,,,,,"show me how the lord saved me",,,,,,,,,,,,i am in the midst of loving you,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Graybeard]

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ for keeping His children from the great tribulation to come...thank you Jesus!....His Word is true, It will not return to Him void.
Praise be to The Most High God!
Praise be to The King of kings!
Praise be to The Lord of lords!

Our Saviour!
Our Rescuer!

Thank you Jesus!!

 

[Joal]

Matthew 24: 29-31 speak of Christ's return to earth in a grand spectacular entrance from the clouds down to Jerusalem to fight for His Jewish nation and people of Israel. This passage is the long awaited Jewish anticipation of the Messiah to physically deliver His certain elect that He had not been focusing on for over 2000 years. As corresponded with Zechariah 14: 1-9, Christ physically touches down to earth from heaven, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." This is THE second coming of Christ when He instantly separates everything, from the mount of Olives splitting in two to the masses of people, separating the sheep from the goats. As in Matthew 24: 40-41 where those that are "taken" are the elect who have gotten saved DURING the tribulation, while the ones left from this will undergo the worst and most severe punishment of the tribulation where if it not were for the elect's sake no flesh would endure nor be saved. Mass destruction and countless casualties will horrifically almost wipe out all humanity as in the great flood of Noah. But all this is not the rapture, for at this point it would already have taken place at onset of the times of JACOB's troubles. The rapture will take place invisibly behind the clouds where Christ pulls out all the saints (aka: the church) just prior to Daniel's 70th week resumes its prophetical clock countdown. The "rapture" as people like to call it is all BEFORE the tribulation and generally speaking concludes Christ's mass dispensation and administration for the Gentiles. It wraps up the mysterious pause and parentheses between Daniel's 69th and famous 70th week for the Jewish people. We are currently living in this intermission where Gentile nations are boarding the ark of Christ's salvation known as the church age. In other words, Christ will come back secretly only as far as to hide behind a cloud and steal away all the saints, pulling the dead in Christ first and the remaining Christians to rendezvous with them in the air afixing us all with brand new bodies for the marriage of the Lamb and His bride and have a 3.5 year honeymoon with Jesus in heaven which will entail glorious celebrations. But His physical touchdown and return to Earth will be during the tribulation, often understood as separated in half by the latter Great Tribulation in which all hell breaks loose. Just prior to the most severe half, Christ will not invisibly now, but in the flesh APPEAR suddenly, gather His elect that have gotten saved during this terrible time of world wide persecution, nations will wail because of Him and hide behind rocks as he will fight for Israel as the hero Jews always thought He should be, and finally enter into His newly rebuilt Temple as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Paul clearly gave the distinction that Christ's return will first focus on pulling the saints out just in the nick of time to escape the terrible holocaust to come. In 1 Thessalonians 1: 10 he stated, "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME". And in 1 Thes. 5: 9 he affirms stating, "For God hath NOT appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." In other words, what hope or comfort spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18 would there actually be if it were not for Christ delivering us from the future wrath to come if we have to go through it? Notwithstanding, ALL that live godly in Christ SHALL suffer persecution, and we must through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God, but not to go through the times of Jacob's troubles. This will be a day of wrath and destruction that no man has ever seen as of yet nor ever shall see thereafter! And to clarify for all JW's, the day of the Lord is a day of WRATH and DARKNESS, NOT LIGHT! There is NOTHING to be desired of this day at all! Most audiences love a good scary movie or horror film, but to anticipate going through the future tribulation requires an unregenerate state first. ie: You must be lost to enter it- period. 2 Thessalonians 2: 10-12 indicates that they never received the love of the truth and must now accept the consequences being left behind to undergo world wide damnation and calamity. Just as in the days of Noah, where the first raindrop did not fall until God's believers (Noah's family) was all aboard and the door was shut! Even the president of the United States does not just go to war with another country until he discreetly pulls out all American citizens first before the first missile is ever launched. I find generally speaking a pattern that most mid tribbers and/or post tribbers have a lifestyle that for all intents and purposes is unaccountable. That they live their Christian lifestyle loosely without much responsibility of the great commission nor obligation to the church nor personal holiness. They have a know it all attitude wresting the scriptures to fit and accommodate their own destructive agenda and are defensive of their liberal loose living christianity. As if they cop these alternate theories of Christ's return so they do not need to live ready serving Jesus hot on fire with enthusiasm and holiness actively engaged with the Lord's business of evangelism, etc. That perhaps, they are assuming they do not really need to until they start to see prophetic calamities indicating the Lord's return is finally here to start getting busy for Christ. In other words, their views of Christ's coming negating a thief in the night secret catching away of the saints, so that they can be lazily on the look out for tribulation signals for them to finally sound the alarm and win souls, witness, and give up their worldliness and sinful habits. For the true bible student in love with Jesus, beware of your "christian" brothers and sisters influencing you away from your Pastor and/or biblical teaching (of which the christians through the ages have understood historically for even Paul was anticipating the Lord's return in his day!) For as noted in Isaiah 56: 10-11 "His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter." Jesus said, "WATCH AND BE SOBER"!!! Paul was aware of future loose living theories and teachings as stated in Acts 20: 29-30, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Beware ye scoffers and be ready. The church will not suffer the tribulation to come, but will be suddenly removed before its awful 7 years, so since we know no clue nor signal to announce this quick catching away in the night, this should encourage us to live holy and get busy for Jesus. The Jews will have the Messiah come to them during the Tribulation Time of Jacob's Troubles and all other left behind gentiles will be offered one last chance to get saved before the great and dreadful day of the Lord, don't worry! But trust in Christ Jesus as your Saviour today, for desiring the tribulation days to put it off may cost you terribly!

 

[shroom2]

Matthew 24: 29-31 speak of Christ's return to earth in a grand spectacular entrance from the clouds down to Jerusalem to fight for His Jewish nation and people of Israel. This passage is the long awaited Jewish anticipation of the Messiah to physically deliver His certain elect that He had not been focusing on for over 2000 years. As corresponded with Zechariah 14: 1-9, Christ physically touches down to earth from heaven, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." This is THE second coming of Christ when He instantly separates everything, from the mount of Olives splitting in two to the masses of people, separating the sheep from the goats. As in Matthew 24: 40-41 where those that are "taken" are the elect who have gotten saved DURING the tribulation, while the ones left from this will undergo the worst and most severe punishment of the tribulation where if it not were for the elect's sake no flesh would endure nor be saved. Mass destruction and countless casualties will horrifically almost wipe out all humanity as in the great flood of Noah. But all this is not the rapture, for at this point it would already have taken place at onset of the times of JACOB's troubles. The rapture will take place invisibly behind the clouds where Christ pulls out all the saints (aka: the church) just prior to Daniel's 70th week resumes its prophetical clock countdown. The "rapture" as people like to call it is all BEFORE the tribulation and generally speaking concludes Christ's mass dispensation and administration for the Gentiles. It wraps up the mysterious pause and parentheses between Daniel's 69th and famous 70th week for the Jewish people. We are currently living in this intermission where Gentile nations are boarding the ark of Christ's salvation known as the church age. In other words, Christ will come back secretly only as far as to hide behind a cloud and steal away all the saints, pulling the dead in Christ first and the remaining Christians to rendezvous with them in the air afixing us all with brand new bodies for the marriage of the Lamb and His bride and have a 3.5 year honeymoon with Jesus in heaven which will entail glorious celebrations. But His physical touchdown and return to Earth will be during the tribulation, often understood as separated in half by the latter Great Tribulation in which all hell breaks loose. Just prior to the most severe half, Christ will not invisibly now, but in the flesh APPEAR suddenly, gather His elect that have gotten saved during this terrible time of world wide persecution, nations will wail because of Him and hide behind rocks as he will fight for Israel as the hero Jews always thought He should be, and finally enter into His newly rebuilt Temple as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Paul clearly gave the distinction that Christ's return will first focus on pulling the saints out just in the nick of time to escape the terrible holocaust to come. In 1 Thessalonians 1: 10 he stated, "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME". And in 1 Thes. 5: 9 he affirms stating, "For God hath NOT appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." In other words, what hope or comfort spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18 would there actually be if it were not for Christ delivering us from the future wrath to come if we have to go through it? Notwithstanding, ALL that live godly in Christ SHALL suffer persecution, and we must through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God, but not to go through the times of Jacob's troubles. This will be a day of wrath and destruction that no man has ever seen as of yet nor ever shall see thereafter! And to clarify for all JW's, the day of the Lord is a day of WRATH and DARKNESS, NOT LIGHT! There is NOTHING to be desired of this day at all! Most audiences love a good scary movie or horror film, but to anticipate going through the future tribulation requires an unregenerate state first. ie: You must be lost to enter it- period. 2 Thessalonians 2: 10-12 indicates that they never received the love of the truth and must now accept the consequences being left behind to undergo world wide damnation and calamity. Just as in the days of Noah, where the first raindrop did not fall until God's believers (Noah's family) was all aboard and the door was shut! Even the president of the United States does not just go to war with another country until he discreetly pulls out all American citizens first before the first missile is ever launched. I find generally speaking a pattern that most mid tribbers and/or post tribbers have a lifestyle that for all intents and purposes is unaccountable. That they live their Christian lifestyle loosely without much responsibility of the great commission nor obligation to the church nor personal holiness. They have a know it all attitude wresting the scriptures to fit and accommodate their own destructive agenda and are defensive of their liberal loose living christianity. As if they cop these alternate theories of Christ's return so they do not need to live ready serving Jesus hot on fire with enthusiasm and holiness actively engaged with the Lord's business of evangelism, etc. That perhaps, they are assuming they do not really need to until they start to see prophetic calamities indicating the Lord's return is finally here to start getting busy for Christ. In other words, their views of Christ's coming negating a thief in the night secret catching away of the saints, so that they can be lazily on the look out for tribulation signals for them to finally sound the alarm and win souls, witness, and give up their worldliness and sinful habits. For the true bible student in love with Jesus, beware of your "christian" brothers and sisters influencing you away from your Pastor and/or biblical teaching (of which the christians through the ages have understood historically for even Paul was anticipating the Lord's return in his day!) For as noted in Isaiah 56: 10-11 "His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter." Jesus said, "WATCH AND BE SOBER"!!! Paul was aware of future loose living theories and teachings as stated in Acts 20: 29-30, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Beware ye scoffers and be ready. The church will not suffer the tribulation to come, but will be suddenly removed before its awful 7 years, so since we know no clue nor signal to announce this quick catching away in the night, this should encourage us to live holy and get busy for Jesus. The Jews will have the Messiah come to them during the Tribulation Time of Jacob's Troubles and all other left behind gentiles will be offered one last chance to get saved before the great and dreadful day of the Lord, don't worry! But trust in Christ Jesus as your Saviour today, for desiring the tribulation days to put it off may cost you terribly!

Ever hear of paragraphs?

I basically agree with you, except the rapture will not happen in secret, "behind the clouds".

 

[peterT]

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ for keeping His children from the great tribulation to come...thank you Jesus!....His Word is true, It will not return to Him void.
Praise be to The Most High God!
Praise be to The King of kings!
Praise be to The Lord of lords!

Our Saviour!
Our Rescuer!

Thank you Jesus!!

Where does it say that?