Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists

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oyster67

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Dave-L said:
No mention of a pre trib rapture in scripture. Only a rapture on the last day after the resurrection.
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The following is Scripture and boldly describes the Rapture event. We know that it precedes the Second Coming because we are on our way back down at the Second Coming. I believe that during the Tribulation, after the Rapture, we are in Heaven getting glorified bodies and participating in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

1 Thess 4
4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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oyster67 said:
The following is Scripture and boldly describes the Rapture event. We know that it precedes the Second Coming because we are on our way back down at the Second Coming. I believe that during the Tribulation, after the Rapture, we are in Heaven getting glorified bodies and participating in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

1 Thess 4
4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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This is the end of the world. The rapture follows the resurrection.
 
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KhedetOrthos said:
OKAAAaaaaay. So we just make scripture say what we need for it to say?

...unfortunately a lot of what goes on under the banner of Christianity today from “God wants you to be rich and healthy” to “we’re not going to have to go through the tribulation” gains a willing audience from people who brush over that “take up your cross and follow me” business.

1,000,000 Armenian Christians martyred at the hands of the Turks in the 20th century alone but somehow we’re special and aren’t going to have to deal with that unpleasantness.
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None of your points are bible based.
 
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Nope.
The "dead in christ only" resurrect prerapture.
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The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)
 
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Dave-L said:
OKAAAaaaaay. So we just make scripture say what we need for it to say?
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If you do not START at the dynamic that the rapture is the gathering of the bride,you will end up in the "reframe the bible" mode. Everytime.

The mystery unpacked is through that portal.

The mystery is seen at the last supper ....and other places.
 
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If you do not START at the dynamic that the rapture is the gathering of the bride,you will end up in the "reframe the bible" mode. Everytime.

The mystery unpacked is through that portal.

The mystery is seen at the last supper ....and other places.
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Scripture never mentions a pre-trib rapture.
 
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Dave-L said:
The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)
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You only show 2 resurrections.

What do you think you proved?
 
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Dave-L said:
Scripture never mentions a pre-trib rapture.
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that incubator you use "proving what is not there" is a door into justifying changing verses.

"There are no yellow colored houses in the bible,therefore none ever existed "
 
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that incubator you use "proving what is not there" is a door into justifying changing verses.

"There are no yellow colored houses in the bible,therefore none ever existed "
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Faith come by hearing the Word. No Word = no faith only fleshly false doctrine.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Another LAUGHABLE statement. Should we ROTFL or just ignore this?

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His doctrine is "anti pretrib"

There are many of them in this forum.

They are not based on bible,they are based and CENTERED on ANTI PRETRIB concepts.

They just repel the idea. IOW a false starting place.
Blinders that repel bible verses.
 
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Guojing said:
If a Christian believe in a pre-trib rapture, while another do not, are there any significance differences in how they will live their lives now on Earth?
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Tons of watching and waiting verses.

Postribs and others are by no means watching or waiting for Jesus.

In fact,they are trying tirelessly to debunk that very command.
 
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Your only high ground is to deflect.

Got it
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Faith comes by hearing the word. Are you sinning if you believe a doctrine without any scripture to support it? Whatever is not of faith is sin.
 
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Dave-L said:
The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)
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The Resurrection Unto Damnation happens after the Millennium and is part of the White Thrown Judgement (which is for unbelievers only). The truth is not difficult or confusing. Error is what is convoluted and difficult.
 
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2 Thess 2:3 'The Restrainer/Body of Christ must be taken out before the lawless one/antichrist can come out'.
 
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Dave-L said:
Scripture never mentions a pre-trib rapture.
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Yes it does and you have been shown.

I assume you have verses in your mind that supposedly support your beliefs.
...or you just oppose a pretrib rapture on the idea of it.
 
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