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Genuine repentance and faith is not "works of men" since the bible makes it clear that it is mandated for salvation. If they are wrought by the Spirit’s conviction, is it "works" which accumulate merit for salvation? Absolutely not! It is God's command that all sinners repent and believe. On the other hand, it's Jesus Christ that saves, quickens, cleanses the heart, bestows His righteousness, and justifies the repentant sinner therefore He alone gets the glory. We simply renounce our evil ways and turn to Him in faith, and then after regeneration we produce fruits (evidences) that show that we are new creatures just as Titus 2:14 says that we are saved from all iniquity to be zealous of good works.
If repentance and faith are not conditions for salvation then they are optional thus one can be saved without repenting and placing their faith in Jesus. However, Jesus preached repentance for without it there cannot be salvation (Matt 4:17, Luke 24:46). Acts 20:21 also states "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus". Lastly, the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do (obligatory) to be saved, and they said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house".
Salvation and forgiveness of sins is not automatic; no one was born saved and perfect in God's sight for the bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 5:10 shows that while we were alienated from God, Christ carried on the task of reconciliation at Calvary, He offered reconciliation to all, but the actual reconciliation occurs when one repents and believes.
2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Does that passage suggest that everyone is saved or will eventually be saved by the merit of Christ regardless of repenting? Or does it suggest that 'the world' consist of just the elect? Consider this analogy. Imagine a scenario where someone generous deposits a large sum of money into a poor man's bank account without him working for it. This potentially makes him rich but he isn't actually rich until he withdraws the money and makes use of it, if he remains ignorant of the money in his bank account he will not benefit from it but die in poverty. Likewise, Jesus died for everyone's reconciliation with God (basically making it possible as per 2 Cor 5:19), He has provided the gift of salvation for all through His shed blood, this is the unmerited favour that appeared unto all men (Titus 2:11), but one is not actually reconciled to God until they make the personal decision to accept the free gift of salvation by turning to God in faith that's why Paul went on to tell unbelievers this: "...we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God" (2 Cor 5:20). Those who neglect the gift of salvation, even though it was provided for them, do not receive its benefits such as eternal life, peace with God, removal of the guilt and condemnation of sin, etc., but will remain condemned and will be excluded from kingdom of God.
I hope this helps.
If repentance and faith are not conditions for salvation then they are optional thus one can be saved without repenting and placing their faith in Jesus. However, Jesus preached repentance for without it there cannot be salvation (Matt 4:17, Luke 24:46). Acts 20:21 also states "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus". Lastly, the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do (obligatory) to be saved, and they said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house".
Salvation and forgiveness of sins is not automatic; no one was born saved and perfect in God's sight for the bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 5:10 shows that while we were alienated from God, Christ carried on the task of reconciliation at Calvary, He offered reconciliation to all, but the actual reconciliation occurs when one repents and believes.
2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Does that passage suggest that everyone is saved or will eventually be saved by the merit of Christ regardless of repenting? Or does it suggest that 'the world' consist of just the elect? Consider this analogy. Imagine a scenario where someone generous deposits a large sum of money into a poor man's bank account without him working for it. This potentially makes him rich but he isn't actually rich until he withdraws the money and makes use of it, if he remains ignorant of the money in his bank account he will not benefit from it but die in poverty. Likewise, Jesus died for everyone's reconciliation with God (basically making it possible as per 2 Cor 5:19), He has provided the gift of salvation for all through His shed blood, this is the unmerited favour that appeared unto all men (Titus 2:11), but one is not actually reconciled to God until they make the personal decision to accept the free gift of salvation by turning to God in faith that's why Paul went on to tell unbelievers this: "...we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God" (2 Cor 5:20). Those who neglect the gift of salvation, even though it was provided for them, do not receive its benefits such as eternal life, peace with God, removal of the guilt and condemnation of sin, etc., but will remain condemned and will be excluded from kingdom of God.
I hope this helps.
Hebrews 10:14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
the 10th chapter is about what the last sacrifice the issue here is there is no more sacrifice, and how the law was the shadow of the good things to come which id the whole cross completed
Hebrews 10:1[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
You say you do not believe in universalism yet you repeatedly are saying we are saved by the death and if we are saved by the death then we have universal salvation for he died for the sins of the whole world
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
the 10th chapter is about what the last sacrifice the issue here is there is no more sacrifice, and how the law was the shadow of the good things to come which id the whole cross completed
Hebrews 10:1[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
You say you do not believe in universalism yet you repeatedly are saying we are saved by the death and if we are saved by the death then we have universal salvation for he died for the sins of the whole world
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Christ death did no more that forgive the whole world from God the Father's perspective. The punishment of sin paid for in full
Death does not produce life, death is death and if it were not for the resurrection life we all would be pitied of all people, no resurrection then no forgiveness but I already posted this to you and you are not seeing and that is your free choice
Death does not produce life, death is death and if it were not for the resurrection life we all would be pitied of all people, no resurrection then no forgiveness but I already posted this to you and you are not seeing and that is your free choice
Obedience is a by-product of trust (Faith in God) one's response to what he did
Now Christ was and is the last sacrifice for sin, and there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood
Hebrews 9:22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Now I challenge you to find anywhere in the new Testament after the death of Christ where there is anywhere anyone has directed us any of us to ask for more forgiveness if one sins after they have recieved the forgiveness at the cross? Remember after the death of christ, did Paul ask for anymore, did James, did Peter?
Now Christ was and is the last sacrifice for sin, and there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood
Hebrews 9:22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Now I challenge you to find anywhere in the new Testament after the death of Christ where there is anywhere anyone has directed us any of us to ask for more forgiveness if one sins after they have recieved the forgiveness at the cross? Remember after the death of christ, did Paul ask for anymore, did James, did Peter?
You are speaking of the full Gospel
Before the cross under the Old Covenant we are required to forgive to be forgiven
Under the new Covenant that took place at the death and proof of the death we are forgiven
Hebrews 9:15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Hebrews 9:16In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it,
Hebrews 9:17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Thererefore one forgives because one is forgiven
Under the Old Covenant we are to love in order to be loved
Under the New covenant we love because we are loved
1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.
Before the cross under the Old Covenant we are required to forgive to be forgiven
Under the new Covenant that took place at the death and proof of the death we are forgiven
Hebrews 9:15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Hebrews 9:16In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it,
Hebrews 9:17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Thererefore one forgives because one is forgiven
Under the Old Covenant we are to love in order to be loved
Under the New covenant we love because we are loved
1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.
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No its not automatic, because Christ paid a Great price, however by His Death, those He died for have been made Perfect forever according to Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
That includes all their sins are forgiven by God by the Blood of Christ. Every sinner Christ died for is born into this World a sinner but forgiven by God for Christ's sake !
No its not automatic, because Christ paid a Great price, however by His Death, those He died for have been made Perfect forever according to Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
That includes all their sins are forgiven by God by the Blood of Christ. Every sinner Christ died for is born into this World a sinner but forgiven by God for Christ's sake !
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No it does not, what scripture says that ? Christ's Death and His Ressurection are different. When He died , He died for sins, when He rose again it was an evidence that God had Justified those He died for ! Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.
If Christ's Death did not save those He died for, there would have not been any Resurrection , they would still be in their sins !
No it does not, what scripture says that ? Christ's Death and His Ressurection are different. When He died , He died for sins, when He rose again it was an evidence that God had Justified those He died for ! Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.
If Christ's Death did not save those He died for, there would have not been any Resurrection , they would still be in their sins !
hom
That's false, Christ's Death did not forgive the Whole World, if that were True no one would die in their sins John 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
How can any die in their sins if God has forgiven them of all their sin ?
That's false, Christ's Death did not forgive the Whole World, if that were True no one would die in their sins John 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
How can any die in their sins if God has forgiven them of all their sin ?
What a turn around WOW!!!!! he died for the sins of the whole world and if we are saved by this as you just said we are then all are saved, you say you do not believe in universal salvation yet you post you do. You have been talking out of two sides of your mouth amd have notbeen consistant and been ignoring the Life then you don't ignore it
You have been like a person that says yes I beleive that Christ died for all my sins. Then lke most of the rest of this world you do something wrong and I see you leaving and ask where are you going?
You state I am going to Jerusalem, I say what for? you say to get my sins forgiven. I say Ithoguht you said your sins are forgiven? You say yes they are and I say are you still going to get them forgiven and you say yes for it is the right thing to do.
I do not know your heart Brother and you are all over the place arguing
I believe do you believe? And can we let it go at that, this has become fruitless and no growth is happening stubborness is though on both and others
Thanks
You have been like a person that says yes I beleive that Christ died for all my sins. Then lke most of the rest of this world you do something wrong and I see you leaving and ask where are you going?
You state I am going to Jerusalem, I say what for? you say to get my sins forgiven. I say Ithoguht you said your sins are forgiven? You say yes they are and I say are you still going to get them forgiven and you say yes for it is the right thing to do.
I do not know your heart Brother and you are all over the place arguing
I believe do you believe? And can we let it go at that, this has become fruitless and no growth is happening stubborness is though on both and others
Thanks
"for if ye believe not I (Christ) am he" that is how one dies in thier sins they have not beleived
And christ did take away all the sins of the world
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
No one recieves life by the death unless they come to belief and then God the Father accepts them and makes them alive in the Spirit, that is how
John 4:23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
And christ did take away all the sins of the world
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
No one recieves life by the death unless they come to belief and then God the Father accepts them and makes them alive in the Spirit, that is how
John 4:23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
That is said for us to die or we will not recieve life in the Spirit we are to die to our selves so we can be born again by God the Father through belief
[h=3]Romans 6:1-11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ[/h]6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— [SUP]7 [/SUP]because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
[h=3]Romans 6:1-11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ[/h]6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— [SUP]7 [/SUP]because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
The repeated animal sacrifices under the old covenant couldn't put away sin (Heb. 10:11) so Christ sacrificed Himself once and for all to insure the freedom from sin and sanctification of those that believe in Him (Heb. 10:10, 14).
1. Christ died for everyone (1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14).
2. Your statement implies that everyone is born into this world automatically forgiven.
What does the bible say? There is no forgiveness of sins without repentance.
Mercy and forgiveness comes with repentance of sins: Prov. 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Forgiveness and cleansing from all unrighteousness comes with confession of sins: 1 John 1:9 -If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Repentance comes before sins are remitted: Luke 24:47 - And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Since no one comes into this world born-again then no one is born forgiven.
God initiated reconciliation and forgiveness by sending His Son to sacrifice Himself for the world so that whosoever believes will have eternal life (John 3:16 "...whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life", 2 Cor 5:18 "...who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ..."). In other words the day the sinner receives the gift of salvation by faith in Christ's atoning work they will be freed from the bondage, penalty, guilt, and debt of sin, and all the handwriting of ordinances that was written against them will be cancelled. Also, God has placed on those who have been reconciled (believers) the task of preaching the gospel of reconciliation to everyone without distinction because sinners need to be reconciled with Him (2 Cor 5:19b).
1. Christ died for everyone (1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14).
2. Your statement implies that everyone is born into this world automatically forgiven.
What does the bible say? There is no forgiveness of sins without repentance.
Mercy and forgiveness comes with repentance of sins: Prov. 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Forgiveness and cleansing from all unrighteousness comes with confession of sins: 1 John 1:9 -If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Repentance comes before sins are remitted: Luke 24:47 - And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Since no one comes into this world born-again then no one is born forgiven.
God initiated reconciliation and forgiveness by sending His Son to sacrifice Himself for the world so that whosoever believes will have eternal life (John 3:16 "...whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life", 2 Cor 5:18 "...who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ..."). In other words the day the sinner receives the gift of salvation by faith in Christ's atoning work they will be freed from the bondage, penalty, guilt, and debt of sin, and all the handwriting of ordinances that was written against them will be cancelled. Also, God has placed on those who have been reconciled (believers) the task of preaching the gospel of reconciliation to everyone without distinction because sinners need to be reconciled with Him (2 Cor 5:19b).