Reconciled to God while enemies !

[homwardbound]

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False witnessing, for Christ's death did. He said in Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Fruit here is Life ! Life or fruit comes out of Christ's Death !

I just realised something are you saying you beleive so since you are forgiven made holy you can just go on sinning like the Corinthians did. This if this is so with you then you have missed the mark the point for salvation and maybe you need to read what Paul told the Corithians
You see they took advantage and sinned all the more in thier place of worship, they had a worldly sorrow not a Godly one
They thought by the death being forgiven they could do whatever they desired they were forgiven and sanctified, so why not?
I hope this is not the case with you savedbygrace. If it is please see the harm that being this way the way the Corinthians were is hurting our felloow neighbors whom we are called to love not use them for whatever we want

 

[svedbygrace]

hom

I just realised something are you saying you beleive so since you are forgiven made holy you can just go on sinning like the Corinthians did

Please do not evade the Truth. Now address the post you quoted:


False witnessing, for Christ's death did. He said in Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Fruit here is Life ! Life or fruit comes out of Christ's Death !

You have made some serious Christ dishonoring statements about Christ's Death !

 

[svedbygrace]

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The repeated animal sacrifices under the old covenant couldn't put away sin (Heb. 10:11) so Christ sacrificed Himself once and for all to insure the freedom from sin and sanctification of those that believe in Him (Heb. 10:10, 14).

Please answer the questions:

What is said of this World[in 2 Cor 5:19] about their sins. What did God do with them ?

What is said that the offering of Christ did for those He was offered for ?

No its not automatic, because Christ paid a Great price, however by His Death, those He died for have been made Perfect forever according to Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[svedbygrace]

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Christ died for everyone (1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14).

Those verses do not say Christ died for everyone.

Also those Christ died for, by His Death they were Reconciled to God while they were enemies by His Death Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled[as enemies], we shall be saved by his life.

Now what is the promise here to them that were reconciled to God while enemies by the Death of Christ ?

 

[svedbygrace]

What the adversaries of Truth have failed to acknowledge, and is why they are guilty of diminishing the Merit's of Christ's Death alone, apart from the application work of the Spirit, that is, even though these Christ died for, and by His Death did reconcile them to God Legally, even while they are being enemies; while others, whom Christ did not die for, and while they are being enemies, they are under God's Wrath and Condemnation as Per Jn 3:18,36

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

See, the Wrath of God cannot abide on any for whom Christ died, because for them, His Wrath has been appeased solely by the Blood of Christ !

Now clearly the only difference from one group being reconciled to God while being enemies, and another group being under God's Wrath and Condemnation while being enemies, the only difference is the Death of Christ ! If this cannot be acknowledged then we are against Christ, against His Death, against His Blood, and The Accomplishments of it before the Law and Justice of God for those He died for !

 

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svedbygrace: star
Please answer the questions:

What is said of this World[in 2 Cor 5:19] about their sins. What did God do with them ? Because of Christ's sacrifice the repentant sinner who turns to Him in faith is reckoned guiltless and reconciled with God.

What is said that the offering of Christ did for those He was offered for ? Those who repent and place their faith in Jesus are saved and sanctified by His offering. The jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved and they replied 'believe'.

No its not automatic, because Christ paid a Great price, however by His Death, those He died for have been made Perfect forever according to Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

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Those verses do not say Christ died for everyone.

Also those Christ died for, by His Death they were Reconciled to God while they were enemies by His Death Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled[as enemies], we shall be saved by his life.

Now what is the promise here to them that were reconciled to God while enemies by the Death of Christ ?

These, and several other passages, do not jive with the doctrine of limited atonement which is what you are defending:
Isaiah 51:6 - All we [all sinners] like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. The pronoun "we" is not referring to the elect only but unbelievers of all ages. The entire human race is afflicted with sin (Rom 3:23) thus Jesus Christ died for the purpose of restoring mankind.
1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiationfor our sins: and not for ours [saved people] only, but also for the sins of the whole world [unsaved]. Propitiation: atonement, expiation. Christ came to reconcile the world to the Father.
1 John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. And that refutes your doctrine for it says that Jesus is the Saviour of the world, not just a select few. God in Christ provided the way for all to be reconciled with Him but the sinner must exercise faith in Christ's shed blood to be saved otherwise they remain lost and destined for hell. That's the simplicity of the gospel of Christ.

The brazen serpent was provided for everyone who was bitten and they were told to look to live. They weren't healed BEFORE they looked but you are claiming that some people are saved and perfect in God's sight BEFORE they look on Jesus for salvation, thus repentance and faith is optional.

Sir, could you please answer these questions. Do you believe that it is God's desire that all should be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth? How do you reconcile your doctrine with Titus 2:11?

 

[homwardbound]

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Please do not evade the Truth. Now address the post you quoted:


False witnessing, for Christ's death did. He said in Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Fruit here is Life ! Life or fruit comes out of Christ's Death !

You have made some serious Christ dishonoring statements about Christ's Death !

I addressed all posts already all in the Love of God
Homwardbound

 

[svedbygrace]

svedbygrace: star
Please answer the questions:

What is said of this World[in 2 Cor 5:19] about their sins. What did God do with them ? Because of Christ's sacrifice the repentant sinner who turns to Him in faith is reckoned guiltless and reconciled with God.

What is said that the offering of Christ did for those He was offered for ? Those who repent and place their faith in Jesus are saved and sanctified by His offering. The jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved and they replied 'believe'.

No its not automatic, because Christ paid a Great price, however by His Death, those He died for have been made Perfect forever according to Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


These, and several other passages, do not jive with the doctrine of limited atonement which is what you are defending:
Isaiah 51:6 - All we [all sinners] like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. The pronoun "we" is not referring to the elect only but unbelievers of all ages. The entire human race is afflicted with sin (Rom 3:23) thus Jesus Christ died for the purpose of restoring mankind.
1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiationfor our sins: and not for ours [saved people] only, but also for the sins of the whole world [unsaved]. Propitiation: atonement, expiation. Christ came to reconcile the world to the Father.
1 John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. And that refutes your doctrine for it says that Jesus is the Saviour of the world, not just a select few. God in Christ provided the way for all to be reconciled with Him but the sinner must exercise faith in Christ's shed blood to be saved otherwise they remain lost and destined for hell. That's the simplicity of the gospel of Christ.

The brazen serpent was provided for everyone who was bitten and they were told to look to live. They weren't healed BEFORE they looked but you are claiming that some people are saved and perfect in God's sight BEFORE they look on Jesus for salvation, thus repentance and faith is optional.

Sir, could you please answer these questions. Do you believe that it is God's desire that all should be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth? How do you reconcile your doctrine with Titus 2:11?

Those verses do not say Christ died for everyone.

Also those Christ died for, by His Death they were Reconciled to God while they were enemies by His Death Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled[as enemies], we shall be saved by his life.

Now what is the promise here to them that were reconciled to God while enemies by the Death of Christ ?

 

[svedbygrace]

I addressed all posts already all in the Love of God
Homwardbound

No you haven't !

 

[starfield]

Those verses do not say Christ died for everyone.

Also those Christ died for, by His Death they were Reconciled to God while they were enemies by His Death Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled[as enemies], we shall be saved by his life.

Now what is the promise here to them that were reconciled to God while enemies by the Death of Christ ?

Then what do those verses mean?

 

[svedbygrace]

Then what do those verses mean?

What verses ?

 

[svedbygrace]

Even though I'm convinced that non imputation of sin preached in 2 Cor 5:19 was that of the Terms of the Everlasting Covenant Established before the World began and at which time Christ was confirmed as the Surety of the Covenant Heb 7:22 or Testament, yet for the opposer's of this great Gospel Truth, lets say that 2 Cor 5:19 is referring to the Cross at its actual time in Human History in or around 33 ad, then it would stand for reason that the Non Imputation described here is the one and same with the imputing of sins unto Christ, in order for Him to die for them 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that being the case, for who can deny that Christ had to have had their sins imputed to Him, in order for Him to die for them ! Then at least no one Christ died for since 33 ad can be born in their sins, yes they can be born sinners, but they are born sinners that do not have the legal guilt and condemnation of breaking God's Law against them, and they are born sinners already reconciled to God by THE DEATH OF HIS SON !

Because it was His Death that satisfied God's Law and Justice for them against every transgression they will ever commit against it, God's Law. So, legally they are born Justified and Reconciled sinners In God's Sight !

 

[starfield]

What verses ?

1 John 2:2 and 1 John 4:14. What are they referring to?

 

[svedbygrace]

1 John 2:2 and 1 John 4:14. What are they referring to?

Why should I work and labor to explain them when you did not and you brought them into the discussion. They are your responsibility not mine. When I bring scripture into this discussion,I explain them. I am not here to do what you should do to make your points.

All I need to say is that neither one of those verses say a thing about Christ dying for everybody !

 

[starfield]

1 John 2:2 and 1 John 4:14. What are they referring to?

Why should I work and labor to explain them when you did not and you brought them into the discussion. They are your responsibility not mine. When I bring scripture into this discussion,I explain them. I am not here to do what you should do to make your points.

All I need to say is that neither one of those verses say a thing about Christ dying for everybody !

Your persistent unwillingness to explain those verses in light of the doctrine you are defending speaks volumes.

Just a word of advice; we shouldn't hold doctrines of men supreme to God's word for His word is the ultimate authority in all matters of the faith. We should thoroughly search the scriptures in light of what those theologians said and if they aren't in accord with God's word, we should abandon them instead of naively defending the doctrines when they contradict His word. 2 Cor 4:2 "But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully...".

 

[homwardbound]

Even though I'm convinced that non imputation of sin preached in 2 Cor 5:19 was that of the Terms of the Everlasting Covenant Established before the World began and at which time Christ was confirmed as the Surety of the Covenant Heb 7:22 or Testament, yet for the opposer's of this great Gospel Truth, lets say that 2 Cor 5:19 is referring to the Cross at its actual time in Human History in or around 33 ad, then it would stand for reason that the Non Imputation described here is the one and same with the imputing of sins unto Christ, in order for Him to die for them 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that being the case, for who can deny that Christ had to have had their sins imputed to Him, in order for Him to die for them ! Then at least no one Christ died for since 33 ad can be born in their sins, yes they can be born sinners, but they are born sinners that do not have the legal guilt and condemnation of breaking God's Law against them, and they are born sinners already reconciled to God by THE DEATH OF HIS SON !

Because it was His Death that satisfied God's Law and Justice for them against every transgression they will ever commit against it, God's Law. So, legally they are born Justified and Reconciled sinners In God's Sight !

If one decides not to believe are they still saved justified? Since you are saying this what about belief or unbelief being the only thing left Christ never died for?

 

[homwardbound]

Why should I work and labor to explain them when you did not and you brought them into the discussion. They are your responsibility not mine. When I bring scripture into this discussion,I explain them. I am not here to do what you should do to make your points.

All I need to say is that neither one of those verses say a thing about Christ dying for everybody ![/QUOTE
Romans 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
2 Corinthians 3:6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Romans 1:17The Good News tells us we are made right with God by faith in Him. Then, by faith we live that new life through Him. The Holy Writings say, “A man right with God lives by faith.”
Romans 6:4We were buried in baptism as Christ was buried in death. As Christ was raised from the dead by the great power of God, so we will have new life also.
Romans 6:5If we have become one with Christ in His death, we will be one with Him in being raised from the dead to new life.
Hebrews 9:15Christ is the One Who gave us this New Way of Worship. All those who have been called by God may receive life that lasts forever just as He promised them. Christ bought us with His blood when He died for us. This made us free from our sins which we did under the Old Way of Worship.




1 Peter 1:3Let us thank the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It was through His loving-kindness that we were born again to a new life and have a hope that never dies. This hope is ours because Jesus was raised from the dead.

 

[svedbygrace]

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Your persistent unwillingness to explain those verses in light of the doctrine you are defending speaks volumes.

Do your own study and labor.

 

[svedbygrace]

If one decides not to believe are they still saved justified? Since you are saying this what about belief or unbelief being the only thing left Christ never died for?

Who said unbelief was the only thing Christ did not die for ?

Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies/ unbelievers, so how can unbelief be a sin Christ did not die for ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies and or unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[svedbygrace]

If one decides not to believe are they still saved justified? Since you are saying this what about belief or unbelief being the only thing left Christ never died for?

Please explain the points I made in post 92 there you quoted, but then evaded the points !