Replacement theology.

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eternally-gratefull

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some people go to great lengths to avoid seeing the Scripture testify of Him :cry:
Amen, as paul said, the command was revived and I died,

we are not alive according to any part of the law
 
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I am a child of abraham in that in him shall all the nations of the world be blessed. I am part of the blessed nations, not the one nation that part of a seperate part of Gods covenant with abraham
So are you saying that believers in Christ are the chosen peculiar nation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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For the record

the book of Romans was written to the Roman church. Which included Jew and gentile alike

the book of 1 peter was written to Jews, and Jews alone

trying to compair them is like trying to compare apples and oranges,
 
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For the record

the book of Romans was written to the Roman church. Which included Jew and gentile alike

the book of 1 peter was written to Jews, and Jews alone

trying to compair them is like trying to compare apples and oranges,
Does that mean that we gentile believers aren’t lively stones?

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
 

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Y’all realize that the saints of Nineveh did rise up with Christ at his resurrection. Yes they did, and their resurrection and walking the streets of Jerusalem was them rising up in judgement against Israel.
their tombs were in Jerusalem? or they walked the 600 miles to get there? :unsure:

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
(Matthew 27:51-53)
interesting; that would put about 3 months of travel right in the middle verse 53, between 'coming out of the graves' and 'they went into the holy city' -- i.e. they didn't show up until after Pentecost??
altho i guess you could insert a miraculous teleportation into the text.


i've always looked at this passage and thought that the people who saw these resurrected saints recognized them -- i.e. they were people they knew before they had died. it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that someone just walks up to you and says 'hey i'm resurrected king Josiah' or something or 'hey i'm a resurrected Ninevite from 700 years before you were born' and you would not have any doubts or be suspecting something about being filled with new wine. but if someone who you personally knew appeared, you would know immediately that they had been raised, when you realized you weren't hallucinating yourself.
 

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Does that mean that we gentile believers aren’t lively stones?

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
no, it doesn't, because there is only one gospel & salvation.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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their tombs were in Jerusalem? or they walked the 600 miles to get there? :unsure:

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
(Matthew 27:51-53)
interesting; that would put about 3 months of travel right in the middle verse 53, between 'coming out of the graves' and 'they went into the holy city' -- i.e. they didn't show up until after Pentecost??
i guess you could insert a miraculous teleportation into the text.


i've always looked at this passage and thought that the people who saw these resurrected saints recognized them -- i.e. they were people they knew before they had died. it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that someone just walks up to you and says 'hey i'm resurrected king Josiah' or something or 'hey i'm a resurrected Ninevite from 700 years before you were born' and you would not have any doubts or be suspecting something about being filled with new wine. but if someone who you personally knew appeared, you would know immediately that they had been raised, when you realized you weren't hallucinating yourself.
Plus we need to remember, like Lazarus, these people ended up dieing again, they were physically resurrected,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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no, it doesn't, because there is only one gospel & salvation.
The stones referees to a “building“ which is being built. We are told this building is laid on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and we too are stones,

these stones were always composed of Jew and gentile, so in context, he is telling these Jews they are stoned, he never said they were the only stones

and a building is far different than a nation

the church is NEVER called a nation
 
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pottersclay

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The gt is Jacob's trouble/ Israel's trouble.
The 144k are firstrfruits.
"Firstfruits establishes 2 things
1) that main harvest follows
2) that it is jewish harvest.

Gods covenant people,the Jews gathered.

They see him.
In rev 14
On a cloud
They acknowledge him,as messiah,and are raptured.

Some are resurrected at the gwt judgement and I assume,acknowledge him. (Not sure about that.)

Was reading hosea this am and saw that massive longing in Gods heart for his adulterous wife (the Jews)

Gomer
Your on a right track just a bit off course. Will be getting back to my thread why the rapture needs to take place which will clear up matters. Like your focus.
 
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their tombs were in Jerusalem? or they walked the 600 miles to get there? :unsure:

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
(Matthew 27:51-53)
interesting; that would put about 3 months of travel right in the middle verse 53, between 'coming out of the graves' and 'they went into the holy city' -- i.e. they didn't show up until after Pentecost??
altho i guess you could insert a miraculous teleportation into the text.


i've always looked at this passage and thought that the people who saw these resurrected saints recognized them -- i.e. they were people they knew before they had died. it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that someone just walks up to you and says 'hey i'm resurrected king Josiah' or something or 'hey i'm a resurrected Ninevite from 700 years before you were born' and you would not have any doubts or be suspecting something about being filled with new wine. but if someone who you personally knew appeared, you would know immediately that they had been raised, when you realized you weren't hallucinating yourself.
Luk 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luk 11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The queen of the south, the men of Nineveh and the men of Jerusalem RISE UP and condemn Israel along with the live men of THIS GENERATION (Peter, Paul, James). Israel was judged at the cross and the kingdom was taken from them.
 

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Luk 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luk 11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The queen of the south, the men of Nineveh and the men of Jerusalem RISE UP and condemn Israel along with the live men of THIS GENERATION (Peter, Paul, James). Israel was judged at the cross and the kingdom was taken from them.
hmm but He sys "in the judgement"

i think "
rise up with the men of this generation" indicates He is speaking of the time when both the people of that generation and the people of a thousand years prior will all be raised and all will face judgement. at that time they will condemn the unbelieving 1st century Israelites who are raised with them because they believed when Jonah, a type of Christ, came to them, but Israel did not believe when Christ Himself appeared among them.

i mean don't you believe in any future resurrection & judgement? if not what will become of us, or of anyone who died after ~ 30 AD?
 
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hmm but He sys "in the judgement"

i think "rise up with the men of this generation" indicates He is speaking of the time when both the people of that generation and the people of a thousand years prior will all be raised and all will face judgement. at that time they will condemn the unbelieving 1st century Israelites who are raised with them because they believed when Jonah, a type of Christ, came to them, but Israel did not believe when Christ Himself appeared among them.

i mean don't you believe in any future resurrection & judgement? if not what will become of us, or of anyone who died after ~ 30 AD?
The resurrection started with the Old Testament saints, they were the dead in Christ. I do believe in a future resurrection because from the resurrection of Christ forward, when a person dies they are judged and either go to heaven or eternal damnation.
 

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You keep missing the point

replacement theology states the following

1. God is done with the jews
2. The gentiles have replaced the jews as partakes of specific promises only given to them
3. that the promises given to the nation of Israel is salvic in nature, the physical promises is replaced by the spiritual promises

hence the term replacement
There's been no replacement. Hence the term is dumb.

There is no jew or greek. We are all one in Christ Jesus.

Those "specific" promises given only to jews is YOUR mistake. The scripture I posted, that you ignore, shows you this.


Gods People are not a physical nation. They are a spiritual people. Those in Christ become the heirs of the promises given to Abraham.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There's been no replacement. Hence the term is dumb.

There is no jew or greek. We are all one in Christ Jesus.

Those "specific" promises given only to jews is YOUR mistake. The scripture I posted, that you ignore, shows you this.


Gods People are not a physical nation. They are a spiritual people. Those in Christ become the heirs of the promises given to Abraham.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yes as far as salvation goes

we are not talking about salvation.

it’s not dumb, what is dumb is to say the church replaced Isreal as far as the promises made only to abraham, Issac, jacob his sons and all of there ancestries,
 

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Yep we will

Let’s try to keep on topic.

all,people,who are born of God will see them and sit with them in the kingdom of heaven

this is about a gods promise to a nation not the eternal promise given to ALL who believe be it jew or gentile
The Kingdom of God is the land promise,

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.....Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Mt.5:3,5
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Kingdom of God is the land promise,

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.....Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Mt.5:3,5
Nope
mid this is true. Ever Person born into the covenant by birth is saved. And gentiles have no hope
 

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@Grandpa, @Journeyman, @tribesman i have a few questions

God in Gen 12 told abraham to leave his family and go to a land
By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place he would later receive as an inheritance
they (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) aspire to a better land, that is, a heavenly one. Heb.8:11,16

God in Gen 15 made a covenant agreement (abraham was put to sleep. so in effect, God made a one way “I will” covenant, or what many call an unconditional covenant meaning the one party said “I will do this”, yet did not make Abraham or his party agree to do anything, it is not binding on abraham or his party to keep their side of the agreement, because none was given, ie it is unconditional (as apposed to the mosaic covenant which was conditional) or what we consider a 2 party covenant, where one party agrees to do this, and return the second party agrees to do that, if one party failed to live up to their obligation, the covenant is broken, and deemed cancelled. The other party is thus no longer required to do what it promised,

this agreement, was to give them land, it was an unconditional covenant,
No it wasn't unconditional. It was promised to Abraham because of his faith.

in Gen 17, God said again, I give you this land, through the one seed (Issac) and not any other seed (not Ishmael or any other of his children)
No, the one seed is Jesus,

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his descendant. Scripture does not say, "and to the descendants," referring to many, but "and to your descendant" referring to one, who is Christ. Gal.3:16

in the last two cased, he said this covenant was eternal, forever.

my questions are as follows

1. since this part of the covenant was only through one bloodline (abraham-Issac) where children born to them saved because of this covenant,
Isaac is only a figure of Christ.

2. were they automatically granted eternal life because they were born through this seed? later when the covenant was passed ONLY to Jacob (not esau or any other) and his 12 sons (called Israel). Weher they saved automatically because they were born into this family?

3. was their salvation special? Did they have a better more pure salvation then Gentiles who would be saved with them?

4. Was salvation only given to them based on this LAND promise of Gen 12, 15, 17?
The covenant belongs to those born of Christ,

and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ Gal.3:17
 

Journeyman

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Nope
mid this is true. Ever Person born into the covenant by birth is saved. And gentiles have no hope
Everyone born again into the covenant by faith is saved.

Funny how Jesus only mentioned to the Jewish people a land promise concerning the Kingdom of God.
 
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The land promised to Abraham as given by Stephen in Acts.

Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child

Abraham was living in Canaan, he was walking on the dirt of Cannan, yet Stephen said Abraham NEVER SET FOOT in the promised land.

That tells us that the land that was promised to Abraham WAS NOT the land of Canaan.
 

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The land promised to Abraham as given by Stephen in Acts.

Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child

Abraham was living in Canaan, he was walking on the dirt of Cannan, yet Stephen said Abraham NEVER SET FOOT in the promised land.

That tells us that the land that was promised to Abraham WAS NOT the land of Canaan.
He walked in it my friend. He just didn't possess it as an owner at that time. Really the earth belongs to God and he gives it to whoever he wants.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Rev.21/7