Replacement theology.

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eternally-gratefull

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KJV1611 said:
Is this what you're talking about?

33 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”
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It’s one of them but include the part I bolted

but you have to include the whole passage

Ezekiel 36: 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will [e]loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
 
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kaylagrl said:
Here is the issue right there EG, it's a matter of the heart. Has nothing to do with what the Bible says. FYI Palestine is not a country, therefore it cannot be occupied. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME and the Arabs can't even allow them a homeland. Palestinians are Arabs. Why shouldn't the Jews be allowed to have a homeland that they can defend?! Arabs were offered land when Israel reformed and they refused. So they don't get to scream about it now. Historically and Biblically the land belongs to the ones it was promised to by God, the chosen people. Israel was "born in a day". It's the desert that blooms again. God has His hand on Israel and the Jewish people. And if Biden stumbles into office and God doesn't stay His hand, doubters will soon see that God is still very involved with Israel and it's people.
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If we look at the land given Israel, the modern day version is only part of that land, it’s not even close to be a restoration , and Israel is still in sin, so as a nation they have not been cleansed yet
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
show my in the passages I showed where I got it wrong

God said that land

and he said forever

you want to question what God meant that’s on you
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Eg God calls the earthly descendants Israel and he also calls the spiritual descendants Israel? They are two different entities, one is the earthly version and the other is the heavenly version.

The same is true for Canaan, there is an earthly Canaan and a heavenly Canaan. FOREVER only applies to the heavenly Canaan.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Here is the issue right there EG, it's a matter of the heart. Has nothing to do with what the Bible says. FYI Palestine is not a country, therefore it cannot be occupied. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME and the Arabs can't even allow them a homeland. Palestinians are Arabs. Why shouldn't the Jews be allowed to have a homeland that they can defend?! Arabs were offered land when Israel reformed and they refused. So they don't get to scream about it now. Historically and Biblically the land belongs to the ones it was promised to by God, the chosen people. Israel was "born in a day". It's the desert that blooms again. God has His hand on Israel and the Jewish people. And if Biden stumbles into office and God doesn't stay His hand, doubters will soon see that God is still very involved with Israel and it's people.
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It's a heart matter, that's one thing I will agree with you on.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Eg God calls the earthly descendants Israel and he also calls the spiritual descendants Israel? They are two different entities, one is the earthly version and the other is the heavenly version.

The same is true for Canaan, there is an earthly Canaan and a heavenly Canaan. FOREVER only applies to the heavenly Canaan.
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One problem with that thought

spiritual isreal was never promised land

spiritual Israel was never told if they fail to heed Gods commands God will punish them in cycles of 7, the final punishment being total destruction of their cities, and how they would be scattered to their enemies land in punishment and how the land promised them would lie desolate

spiritual isreal was never told if they repent of their sins and their fathers sins and admit how God punished them by destroying their cities and their high places, and scattering them all over the world then God would remember the promise, he would remember the land

spiritual Israel was never told they would be restored to a land that was destroyed, and land that was left desolate, and a land that their fathers were given when they left Egypt, and that land be totally restored, the high places rebuilt and Christ will be on his throne in Jerusalem. and because of these things, a revival in the gentile nations which will be the greatest the world has ever seen

sorry man, but while you may be true about two different things, and are totally correct when you say the body of a Christ is not Jewish or gentile, and they all will go to heaven based on the abraham covenant in you shall all nations be blessed.

your wrong about the land promise given one son (Issac not Ishmael) amd another son (Jacob not Esau) and jacobs 12 sons, which God said was an eternal covenant, for THEM
 
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KJV1611 said:
It's a heart matter, that's one thing I will agree with you on.
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“And the LORD said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: ‘Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are-northward, southward, eastward, and westward; for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.'” (Genesis 13:14-15).

And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” (Genesis 17:7-8)

“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.( Happening as we speak) Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.” (Ezekiel 36:24-28)


It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people who are left, from Assyria and Egypt, from Pathros and Cush, from Elam and Shinar, from Hamath and the islands of the sea. He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:11-12)
 
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kaylagrl said:
“And the LORD said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: ‘Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are-northward, southward, eastward, and westward; for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.'” (Genesis 13:14-15).

And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” (Genesis 17:7-8)

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I am amazed that God showed abraham new jerusalem in this passage
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
One thing we know

forever is still in effect today it has not ended
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It's amazing to me how people will twist Scripture to meet their need of a certain belief. They don't just believe it, they need to. Pity.
 
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kaylagrl said:
It's amazing to me how people will twist Scripture to meet their need of a certain belief. They don't just believe it, they need to. Pity.
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It’s easy to see sort of, we trust those who teach us, and refuse to admit they may be wrong
 
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Grandpa said:
Do you mean Jerusalem which is above?

Lift your eyes...
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Did God show him the new jerusalem?

look again

Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your [c]descendants forever.

he said lift eyes from place where he was, and look north south east and west to all you can see, this land I give forever.

Also note, lot lifted his eyes also

Vs 10 And Lot lifted his eyes and saw all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered everywhere (before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah) like the garden of the Lord, like the land of Egypt as you go toward Zoar.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Did God show him the new jerusalem?

look again

Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your [c]descendants forever.

he said lift eyes from place where he was, and look north south east and west to all you can see, this land I give forever.

Also note, lot lifted his eyes also

Vs 10 And Lot lifted his eyes and saw all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered everywhere (before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah) like the garden of the Lord, like the land of Egypt as you go toward Zoar.
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So you don't mean Jerusalem which is above when you say "new" Jerusalem?
 
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Grandpa said:
So you don't mean Jerusalem which is above when you say "new" Jerusalem?
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I am more concerned with what he saw when he looked north south east and west, which is looking up from where he stood, and the fact it is the same land Israel was given when they left Egypt (actually much more even than that

also, lot looked up and saw land, abraham looked up and saw land
 
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KJV1611 said:
It's a heart matter, that's one thing I will agree with you on.
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Yes it is, which is what Jesus taught.

But you're now being told that Jews who have moved to and continue to move to the modern State of Israel are doing so because they are listening to Jesus and have repented of their sins. Apparently, some ignore that while many Jews love gentiles who support Jewish emigration, those who actually preach Jesus are spit on.

Also, the idea that God needs human force to defend his promised homeland to his people is silly. As though man could thwart God.
 
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Journeyman said:
Yes it is, which is what Jesus taught.

But you're now being told that Jews who have moved to and continue to move to the modern State of Israel are doing so because they are listening to Jesus and have repented of their sins. Apparently, some ignore that while many Jews love gentiles who support Jewish emigration, those who actually preach Jesus are spit on.

Also, the idea that God needs human force to defend his promised homeland to his people is silly. As though man could thwart God.
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So do tell us who is telling anyone what I have highlighted in your post

I have never heard anyone say this, maybe you have heard people and I missed it?
 
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kaylagrl said:
It's amazing to me how people will twist Scripture to meet their need of a certain belief. They don't just believe it, they need to. Pity.
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There is a old saying that says" no such thing as a bad student only bad teachers.
The church has been so relaxed for so many yrs allowing idealism, theology, and logic to guide rather than the master.
I felt it necessary with much prompting and prayer to search out the scriptures and present clear evidence against these ridiculous claims.

The pre-trib rapture has always been attacked as a fairy tale hope. The Holy Spirit guided me to the feast and offerings. Which are God's appointed times.
The bottom line is that untill the first fruits are presented for acceptance to God no other harvesting is to be done. We see harvesting of souls in revelation but in chapter 5 we also see evidence of another feast day taking place. Which is the feast of trumpets.
Would our never changing God change the order of his feast days?
Jesus is the fulfillment of scripture. He has fulfilled and is fulfilling the first five in order. Of the offerings and days. A pre-trib rapture has to take place in order for the next appointed day and offerings to arrive.

This replacement theology says there is no rapture, no physical millennium.
When in fact the feast days end with the feast of Tabernacles or booths.
Where God comes to dwell with man. Once again. If it were spiritual the man would have to go to God first.
That is out of order wouldn't you say? Would our never changing God do that?

I praise and thank the Lord for all the saints here who had come in defence of the truth.
Faint not in well doing my brothers and sisters.
 
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Journeyman said:
But you're now being told that Jews who have moved to and continue to move to the modern State of Israel are doing so because they are listening to Jesus and have repented of their sins.
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once again, can you share who these people are Who are telling you and @KJV this? Maybe he can answer?
 
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