Replacement theology.

[KJV1611]

Keep up with? Holocaust, over 6 million innocent Jews murdered, there you're caught up. Now, answer the question. Surely you have an opinion.

It's not possible to know how many Jews that died were wicked nor how many how many weren't wicked nor how many were Christian Jews.

Why would you expect me to to know the answer to that and why are you so obsessed with the Jews genocide, why is the Jewish genocide more important than all the other genocides that have taken place of the last 100 years?

 

[KJV1611]

Zech 36 33 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”

remember everyone, this desolate land that was destroyed and rebuilt in the site of the gentile nations and are now inhabited is new jerusalem. Not the land of Israel here on earth according to @KJV1611

That's Ezekiel 36 not Zechariah 36.

Where do you get new Jerusalem from, I certainly didn't say it was new Jerusalem. As I've told you over and over, Ezekiel 36 is about the Babylonian captivity and return to Jerusalem prior to the first coming of Christ.

 

[pottersclay]

When you guys accuse us of replacing the Jews with the church, it's like saying Christians have replaced the Catholics as God's chosen people.

God's chosen people have always been the church. Adam was the church, Abraham was the church, Jacob was the church and all of his saved offspring were the church.

The church is the bride of Christ, she was in her CLOSET in the Old Testament. She came came out of her closet when JESUS came forth from his 3 DAY visit to his chamber.

Joe_2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

One more time. The church has been in existence from the beginning, she was hidden from the world in the Old Testament. She was revealed when she came out of the closet she was hiding in when Christ rose from the dead.

I adopted my oldest son, my youngest is my blood. My oldest had a jealousy for my youngest and felt less wanted.....so we had a talk and I asked him the same question I'm asking you now.
Do you know the difference between a adopted son and a maternal son?.

Answer is...
The maternal son is the one you made he's forever your son regardless of relationship
The adopted son is the one you pick because you wanted him.

Now I want you really to consider this....if God chose the church over Israel then Christ bloodline to David and even back to Abraham would be of no effect.
Jesus Christ son of david descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Judah and lion of judah the high priest according to the order of Melchizedek would be a false claim.

Now try to undo that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's Ezekiel 36 not Zechariah 36.

Where do you get new Jerusalem from, I certainly didn't say it was new Jerusalem. As I've told you over and over, Ezekiel 36 is about the Babylonian captivity and return to Jerusalem prior to the first coming of Christ.

Yes, sorry I was using Zeck in another thread,

however, Where do I get it from?

this is what we have been talking about, this is what I have kept asking you, and your response was new Jerusalem.

You think it is return from When the command was given?

then prove it

1. when did God remove their sin? (You state it was at the cross? This return and rebuilding is ON THE DAY HE CLEANSED THEIR SIN, according to you, the cross
2. It says on that DAY the ruins will be rebuilt, the ruins had been rebuilt at this time for 69 weeks (the command to restore jerusalem until messiah the prince
3. when did the land, in the view of all who see it, become like the garden of eden after the cross?
4. when did the land become fortified? Especially since they were under gentile rule?)
5. When did Israel live without sin, without their idols, really praising God?

yu can see why I think you mean new jerusalem? Because everything I asked younwhen this took place that was your answer.

oh and by the way, I purposely left part of the passage out, I wanted you to answer a direct part,

but you said the land given was new Jerusalem, not the physical one,

The promised land was Heavenly Jerusalem, the "split" promises to Abraham only exists in your head. God never promised God hating Jews anything, only the Jews that were in Christ.

well this passage states in effect, this land that was restored, was the land given the fathers

Ezekiel 36:. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God

you can not have it both ways you can not say the land promised is new or heavenly jerusalem, then claim this land given which is restored which God said through the prophet was this land given (Promised) to the fathers, is here on earth. You have to make up your mind which one it is,

 

[KJV1611]

I adopted my oldest son, my youngest is my blood. My oldest had a jealousy for my youngest and felt less wanted.....so we had a talk and I asked him the same question I'm asking you now.
Do you know the difference between a adopted son and a maternal son?.

Answer is...
The maternal son is the one you made he's forever your son regardless of relationship
The adopted son is the one you pick because you wanted him.

Now I want you really to consider this....if God chose the church over Israel then Christ bloodline to David and even back to Abraham would be of no effect.
Jesus Christ son of david descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Judah and lion of judah the high priest according to the order of Melchizedek would be a false claim.

Now try to undo that.

Have you read anything I've written over the pages of this thread?

>>>>>>ABRAHAM ALL THE WAY TO CHRIST ARE THE CHURCH<<<<<

If you people don't even know who the Church is, why in the world are you debating ANY SUBJECT on Christianity?

 

[Journeyman]

I adopted my oldest son, my youngest is my blood. My oldest had a jealousy for my youngest and felt less wanted.....so we had a talk and I asked him the same question I'm asking you now.
Do you know the difference between a adopted son and a maternal son?.

Answer is...
The maternal son is the one you made he's forever your son regardless of relationship
The adopted son is the one you pick because you wanted him.

Now I want you really to consider this....if God chose the church over Israel then Christ bloodline to David and even back to Abraham would be of no effect.
Jesus Christ son of david descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Judah and lion of judah the high priest according to the order of Melchizedek would be a false claim.

Now try to undo that.

God did not choose Abraham because of his blood, but because he was faithful,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood Jn.1:12-13

And this why you must be born again, God could have used a faithful man from any nationality to accomplish his will, but nationality isn't the point. The point is, Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Journeyman]

And "church" means "called out", which is what God did with Abraham. He called him out of the world.

 

[Journeyman]

Have you read anything I've written over the pages of this thread?

>>>>>>ABRAHAM ALL THE WAY TO CHRIST ARE THE CHURCH<<<<<

If you people don't even know who the Church is, why in the world are you debating ANY SUBJECT on Christianity?

Yes. I've already explained Eze.36 to e-g, how the "rebuilt and land that becomes fruitful" is actually the change people see (or should see) in the lives of those who come to Christ. It's all being ignored.

 

[pottersclay]

Have you read anything I've written over the pages of this thread?

>>>>>>ABRAHAM ALL THE WAY TO CHRIST ARE THE CHURCH<<<<<

If you people don't even know who the Church is, why in the world are you debating ANY SUBJECT on Christianity?

And why is the church?? In your view point?

 

[KJV1611]

Yes, sorry I was using Zeck in another thread,

however, Where do I get it from?

this is what we have been talking about, this is what I have kept asking you, and your response was new Jerusalem.

You think it is return from When the command was given?

then prove it

1. when did God remove their sin? (You state it was at the cross? This return and rebuilding is ON THE DAY HE CLEANSED THEIR SIN, according to you, the cross

Ezekiel 36 starts with the Babylonian captivity. Then God put the Jews back in the land that God gave to the fathers, the land of Canaan, not the promised land. Later Jesus came and cleansed ALL HUMANITY'S sins.

2. It says on that DAY the ruins will be rebuilt, the ruins had been rebuilt at this time for 69 weeks (the command to restore jerusalem until messiah the prince

The "ruins were rebuilt" when the stewardship of the kingdom of heaven was taken from the wicked Jews and given to Christ and the saved Jews. This is heavenly Jerusalem that the wicked Jews had utterly destroyed.

3. when did the land, in the view of all who see it, become like the garden of eden after the cross?

Heavenly Jerusalem was restored to it's initial glory it had before the wicked Jews destroyed it.

4. when did the land become fortified? Especially since they were under gentile rule?)

Heavenly Jerusalem became fortified when the Chief Cornerstone was put in charge of the kingdom.

5. When did Israel live without sin, without their idols, really praising God?

No human lives without or ever will live without sin. Without sin refers to the NEW MAN in us.

yu can see why I think you mean new jerusalem? Because everything I asked younwhen this took place that was your answer.

oh and by the way, I purposely left part of the passage out, I wanted you to answer a direct part,

but you said the land given was new Jerusalem, not the physical one,



well this passage states in effect, this land that was restored, was the land given the fathers

Ezekiel 36:. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God

you can not have it both ways you can not say the land promised is new or heavenly jerusalem, then claim this land given which is restored which God said through the prophet was this land given (Promised) to the fathers, is here on earth. You have to make up your mind which one it is,

Like most passages in the bible, some of Ezekiel is about earthly things and some things are about spiritual things.

 

[pottersclay]

God did not choose Abraham because of his blood, but because he was faithful,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood Jn.1:12-13

And this why you must be born again, God could have used a faithful man from any nationality to accomplish his will, but nationality isn't the point. The point is, Jesus is the Son of God.

A little short sighted wouldn't you say?.....God protected the bloodline that lead to Christ .
Two of the gospels show the bloodline.
Ever notice how with all the pass generations God never becomes a grandfather it's always son's and daughters.

 

[KJV1611]

And why is the church?? In your view point?

I think you are asking why are they the church. They are the church because the covenant of grace, the same covenant we are under, was given BEFORE the Old Covenant was given. The bible says that the Old Covenant DOES NOT disannul the covenant of grace.

 

[Journeyman]

A little short sighted wouldn't you say?.....God protected the bloodline that lead to Christ .
Two of the gospels show the bloodline.
Ever notice how with all the pass generations God never becomes a grandfather it's always son's and daughters.

Yes I know it's son's and daughters. I know it's sons and daughters. I know its sons and daughters. Thats what im saying for God's sake.

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: Jn.8:42

Why? Because Jesus is God and Abraham was a son of God.

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father Mt.3:9

Your point is, think to say their father is Abraham. You're wrong.

 

[pottersclay]

God did not choose Abraham because of his blood, but because he was faithful,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood Jn.1:12-13

And this why you must be born again, God could have used a faithful man from any nationality to accomplish his will, but nationality isn't the point. The point is, Jesus is the Son of God.

Absolutely you must be born again....no doubt.....
And the only way is through God.

In 70 a.d. southern Jerusalem was the last to be scattered throughout the nations as God had prophetically spoken.

In 1947-48 as God had promised Israel became a state in one day. Returning to the land known as Palestine now known as Israel.
The media as well as the world expressed this as Israel is reborn again.
Only by the hand of god could this ever had taken place. Today we see Israel being fruitful and blossoming
Economically as the jews are returning from all over the globe. Giving heed to jesus saying "when the fig tree blossoms know that the time is near.
In revelation we see that Israel is sealed by the tribes ....12000 from each. God knows where the tribes are and reestablishes them......why.
They become the most powerful evangelical nation the world has ever seen.
Calling on the name of the Lord once again in the name of Jesus.
Many jews today along with muslims are being saved today through the efforts of the ministry of the church in the middle east.
Embracing the gospel and the words of Yeshua and spreading the good news.
The time will come when the counting of the omer is complete and God will pour his spirit out on all flesh again.
The times of the gentiles will be fulfilled and removed from the earth. First fruits wave offering.
Anti-christ will come against Israel to destroy it once and for all because he has declared he is God.
Jesus come to save Israel...as was his first mission.

Imo the rapture triggers Israel change of heart. As God had said to provoke to jealousy.

 

[KJV1611]

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Apparently many people don't realize that Jesus is referring to OT scripture when he said "summer is nigh".

When trees start putting on new growth and new leaves, IT IS A MATURE TREE. The new growth and new leaves indicates SUMMER IS NIGH. All you have to do is look in the OT and see what summer brings prophetically to understand this parable.

It ain't the birth of a new nation!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you read anything I've written over the pages of this thread?

>>>>>>ABRAHAM ALL THE WAY TO CHRIST ARE THE CHURCH<<<<<

If you people don't even know who the Church is, why in the world are you debating ANY SUBJECT on Christianity?

Actually. The church started long before Abraham. Just saying

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And "church" means "called out", which is what God did with Abraham. He called him out of the world.

Church in the Greek speaks of a gathering ekklesia

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ezekiel 36 starts with the Babylonian captivity. Then God put the Jews back in the land that God gave to the fathers, the land of Canaan, not the promised land. Later Jesus came and cleansed ALL HUMANITY'S sins.

The "ruins were rebuilt" when the stewardship of the kingdom of heaven was taken from the wicked Jews and given to Christ and the saved Jews. This is heavenly Jerusalem that the wicked Jews had utterly destroyed.

Heavenly Jerusalem was restored to it's initial glory it had before the wicked Jews destroyed it.

Heavenly Jerusalem became fortified when the Chief Cornerstone was put in charge of the kingdom.

No human lives without or ever will live without sin. Without sin refers to the NEW MAN in us.

Like most passages in the bible, some of Ezekiel is about earthly things and some things are about spiritual things.

This is one of the worst explanations I have ever heard. It makes the prophecy resemble a prophesy from nostridomus than a prophet of God

But at least thanks for trying after all this time

It still does not fit. Not even close to reality.

On the day I remove your sins will take you from the nations

That is the restoration. Not babylon

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Apparently many people don't realize that Jesus is referring to OT scripture when he said "summer is nigh".

When trees start putting on new growth and new leaves, IT IS A MATURE TREE. The new growth and new leaves indicates SUMMER IS NIGH. All you have to do is look in the OT and see what summer brings prophetically to understand this parable.

It ain't the birth of a new nation!

1 who said a new nation would be born? I mean really?
2 the mention of seasons is in reference to his return. Not anything else

Do you make this stuff up as you go?

 

[KJV1611]

Actually. The church started long before Abraham. Just saying

It could be argue so. But the covenant of Grace came with Abraham.