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Time and effort?
How hard is it to post a verse. And say this is what it means to say I understand it says on the day I take your sin I will do this this and that?
People make things kite
Difficult than it needs to be
Also. We have already been over the Babylon issue and the cross issue. So we did But need to revisit that that was already addressed
You have a timeline issue. Whether you want to see It or nit that’s in you
How hard is it to post a verse. And say this is what it means to say I understand it says on the day I take your sin I will do this this and that?
People make things kite
Difficult than it needs to be
Also. We have already been over the Babylon issue and the cross issue. So we did But need to revisit that that was already addressed
You have a timeline issue. Whether you want to see It or nit that’s in you
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Who said anything about Jesus returning in the summer?
The three questions asked were
When will this happen (the destruction of the temple
What will be the sign if the end of the age
And what will be the sign of your return
Jesus used summer here as an example. When you see these signs. You know summer is near
in the same manner when you see the signs I give you know that time is near
The three questions asked were
When will this happen (the destruction of the temple
What will be the sign if the end of the age
And what will be the sign of your return
Jesus used summer here as an example. When you see these signs. You know summer is near
in the same manner when you see the signs I give you know that time is near
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I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.
Jeremiah 30:1-31:40 ESV / 73 helpful votes
The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Write in a book all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” These are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah: “Thus says the Lord: We have heard a cry of panic, of terror, and no peace. ...
Isaiah 11:12 ESV / 57 helpful votes
He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isaiah 43:5-6 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your offspring from the east, and from the west I will gather you. I will say to the north, Give up, and to the south, Do not withhold; bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth,
Isaiah 66:8 ESV / 42 helpful votes
Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.
Deuteronomy 30:3 ESV / 39 helpful votes
Then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you.
Jeremiah 30:1-31:40 ESV / 73 helpful votes
The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Write in a book all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” These are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah: “Thus says the Lord: We have heard a cry of panic, of terror, and no peace. ...
Isaiah 11:12 ESV / 57 helpful votes
He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isaiah 43:5-6 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your offspring from the east, and from the west I will gather you. I will say to the north, Give up, and to the south, Do not withhold; bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth,
Isaiah 66:8 ESV / 42 helpful votes
Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.
Deuteronomy 30:3 ESV / 39 helpful votes
Then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you.
I wonder what the Lord thinks of that they still believe in a Messiah, they still believe the Lord must forgive their sins because they are human so can not handle their sin without grace? They say Christ was not the Messiah, they are blinded to that by the Lord, but does the Lord recognize that they believe in grace and a Messiah? Scripture tells us God will never forsake them, could this be why? Or will God never forsake them only because they were the caretakers of the word when no nation would do that?
There's too much here to go through all at once, but lets go through the passages you cited one at a time.
Jer.30:3-For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah.
Being released from captivity according to Jesus is freedom from the bondage of sin and death.
The Prophet goes on to speak of "the time of Jacobs trouble and how in that day, God will break the yoke of the oppressor from off the neck of his people.
The time of Jacobs trouble is unparallele, a day that no oth is like. This is not because of the number of people being persecuted, but because of who is being persecuted, which is Jesus, God in flesh, who then rose from the dead, thereby destroying the works of the devil.
Jeremiah is not saying that after this, the Jews will grow grapes in the Middle East. He's saying after this, God's people will become fruitful because they will abide in the Vine, who is Christ.
I didn't cite the NT passages where Jesus and the Apostles taught this, because you already know what the NT says. You're just not applying their knowledge to the OT.
Jer.30:3-For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah.
Being released from captivity according to Jesus is freedom from the bondage of sin and death.
The Prophet goes on to speak of "the time of Jacobs trouble and how in that day, God will break the yoke of the oppressor from off the neck of his people.
The time of Jacobs trouble is unparallele, a day that no oth is like. This is not because of the number of people being persecuted, but because of who is being persecuted, which is Jesus, God in flesh, who then rose from the dead, thereby destroying the works of the devil.
Jeremiah is not saying that after this, the Jews will grow grapes in the Middle East. He's saying after this, God's people will become fruitful because they will abide in the Vine, who is Christ.
I didn't cite the NT passages where Jesus and the Apostles taught this, because you already know what the NT says. You're just not applying their knowledge to the OT.
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
All of the things in Jeremiah 30 happened during the time of Jacob's trouble. At that time, the yoke between Jacob and Esau was broken off. Esau represents the first born, flesh descendants and Jacob represents the 2nd born, spiritual descendants.
The spiritual Jews have always been under the yoke of bondage of the unsaved Jews UNTIL that yoke was broken at the cross and the flesh descendants were utterly destroyed in AD 70. Jacob will never be under Esau's yoke of bondage ever again.
All of that happened when David their king, Jesus Christ, came and set up his eternal kingdom.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
All of the things in Jeremiah 30 happened during the time of Jacob's trouble. At that time, the yoke between Jacob and Esau was broken off. Esau represents the first born, flesh descendants and Jacob represents the 2nd born, spiritual descendants.
The spiritual Jews have always been under the yoke of bondage of the unsaved Jews UNTIL that yoke was broken at the cross and the flesh descendants were utterly destroyed in AD 70. Jacob will never be under Esau's yoke of bondage ever again.
All of that happened when David their king, Jesus Christ, came and set up his eternal kingdom.
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God has promised never to forsake believing Jews. There are viable reasons why some believe in grace and the coming Messiah, without the knowledge that he came already.
The Jewish guy who taught me was such a person, simply because talk about Jesus was forbidden in his house when he was growing up and anything having to do with Jesus outside the house was also forbidden. He never went to any Christian church, but did one day read the NT. It was then that he believed Jesus is the Messiah, because he saw in the teachings of Christ the teachings of his Torah and amazing insight of the NT because he knew the OT very wrll.
The Jewish guy who taught me was such a person, simply because talk about Jesus was forbidden in his house when he was growing up and anything having to do with Jesus outside the house was also forbidden. He never went to any Christian church, but did one day read the NT. It was then that he believed Jesus is the Messiah, because he saw in the teachings of Christ the teachings of his Torah and amazing insight of the NT because he knew the OT very wrll.
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What your missing here is the final destruction of 70 ad which jesus prophied.
As God gives out his prophecy he is very specific about the event or events.
He said in one day Israel will become a nation again.
In 1948 in one day Israel once again becomes a reconised nation after almost 2thousand yrs.
What other nation has done this after 2 thousand yrs of no land and terrible persecution.
Let alone the fact that they are economically fruitful right now.... independent.
Jacobs trouble is found in the book of revelation. In fact that's what revelation is about.
Mor than 2 thirds of revelation is about the jews not about the saints because our time is fulfilled.
As God gives out his prophecy he is very specific about the event or events.
He said in one day Israel will become a nation again.
In 1948 in one day Israel once again becomes a reconised nation after almost 2thousand yrs.
What other nation has done this after 2 thousand yrs of no land and terrible persecution.
Let alone the fact that they are economically fruitful right now.... independent.
Jacobs trouble is found in the book of revelation. In fact that's what revelation is about.
Mor than 2 thirds of revelation is about the jews not about the saints because our time is fulfilled.
