Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

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Because of the doctrine, Sola Fide/Faith Alone, many churches/assemblies will not teach other parts of Scripture that bring 'faith alone' into question. One thing needs to be made clear is that you will never see the words 'faith alone' in the Old or New Testament, It's not there. Faith alone is a man made tradition dating back to the 17th century. You can easily investigate this on line.

You won't hear many of Jesus' teachings in your assembly especially to include His teaching on the Judgement of Nations. Many just don't want to hear Jesus talking about good works.

Many Christians believe that faith in Jesus simply means believing in Him as Lord and Savior. But true Christian faith in Jesus is much deeper than that. Jesus told us that faith in Him includes believing and following His teachings and obeying His commandments.

Jesus once asked His apostles, “How can you say that you love Me, if you don’t keep My commandments.
At the Last Supper, Jesus told His disciples, “I give you a new commandment; love one another as I have loved you. This is how all will know that you are My disciples.”


Jesus is clear when He says, “ He who loves me keeps my words and whoever does not love me does not keep My words.
Jesus makes it clear, many times, that faith includes believing and following His teachings, “He told us (Matt 7:24-27)


“Everyone who hears My words and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house upon sand.”

Jesus taught that the most important commandment is to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as our self. In the parable of the Good Samaritan, He says, Do this and you shall have eternal life. That’s worth repeating, Jesus said, “ Love God with all our heart and our neighbor as our self, Do this, and you shall have eternal life.

In the Gospel of The Judgment of Nations (Matt 25), Jesus emphasized the importance of love of neighbor. This Gospel reading is simple and to the point. It is the end of the world and the day of judgment for all mankind. Jesus comes with all His power and glory.

.On this last day, Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, the good from the evil. The sheep will inherit eternal life and the goats will be eternally damned. And Jesus tells us the basis by which we will be judged in this Gospel.
Jesus tells us that those who showed love of neighbor, through acts of kindness feeding the hungry, visiting those in need, clothing the poor, taking care of the sick would inherit Jesus’ salvation and eternal life. Jesus made a point in teaching, whatever you do unto the least of your brothers, you do unto Me. Christians show our love for Jesus, their love for God, through love of our neighbor.

Jesus says that when we show love for our brothers and sisters, we are showing love for Jesus Himself. Jesus directly identifies Himself with the poor, the needy, and the oppressed, all God’s children. By loving and helping others, we are serving Christ.

In the Judgment of Nations, those that failed to show love for their neighbor would be damned for all eternity. What a terrible surprise it will be, for many people, to learn that, in not showing love for their neighbors, they had rejected Jesus and His salvation.

This Gospel reading is so important. It allows me to know what Jesus is going to be looking for when He judges me. Do I show my love for Jesus through love of neighbor? This has always been the acid test of Christianity.
When Jesus walked the earth, He set the example. He spent much of His time ministering to those in need. He cured the sick, made the lame walk, the blind see, and He preached the good news of salvation to the poor. Jesus showed His love by being a servant to people.
He did the service and asks His disciples to do the same. As Jesus’ disciples, He asks us to serve our brothers and sisters. Jesus presented us with a simple example for Christian living.
But you and I are not going to transform the whole world. We aren’t going to eliminate world poverty, or feed it’s millions. We don’t have the resources. Neither will we change the hearts of millions of people who have more than they need, but who won’t share.
But there is no excuse not to help others. We can make small changes for the better, help in small ways, in ordinary and everyday things. It may be as simple as giving a cup of water, maybe a few minutes of our time, maybe giving understanding and our spiritual support for those undergoing difficult situations, small acts of kindness and friendship on our part; treating others as we wish to be treated, with dignity and respect.

But it just has to be about our giving of ourselves to others. That’s what Christianity is all about.
Through Christ, our thoughts, words, and actions, no matter how small are given infinite value. Opportunities, to help others, present themselves many times a day. God has arranged things in such a way that no matter which way we turn, we bump in to someone in need. And when we do help remember, Whatsoever we do for the least of my brethren, we do for Jesus, Himself.

Jesus came to set up His Kingdom on earth, His Kingdom is totally opposed to the ways of this world, where money, power, sports, popularity, pleasure, and fame are false gods; where the importance and worth of people is measured by their fame, status, wealth, and where it is a case of survival for the fittest and luckiest.

The values of Jesus Kingdom are much different. He says the first rule in His Kingdom is to love God and neighbor. In Jesus’ kingdom, everyone is important. The most disabled, poor, or powerless person is just as important as the greatest genius that ever lived, just as important as the most powerful, famous, or richest person.
Our task, as Christians, is to contribute in small ways to the continued growth of Jesus’ kingdom on earth. Never forget that faith in Jesus includes believing what He taught and applying His teachings to our daily lives.

Now many of us may look back at our past lives, I know that I do, and say that I have mistreated so many people, ignored the needs of so many people, there were so many times when I could have helped, but didn’t.
I am surely doomed when Jesus judges me. But that’s just not true. Despite all my failures to show love to others, I still have great hope in Jesus’ salvation for myself.

One needs to remember that all the Great Saints were also great sinners. If we have failed to show our love of others, in the past, we can change. But we do need to ask Jesus for His help to change.
One of the greatest aspects about Christianity is that God offers us His love, mercy, and forgiveness every second of every day. And no matter how many times we have fallen and failed in the past, Christianity always allows us to pick ourselves back up, start over, and return to God.

Every so often, when we get a chance, some quiet time to be alone, all of us need to reflect on ourselves. Do I love God and neighbor? With Jesus’ help do I help others, not with great deeds, but with small acts of kindness? If I haven’t, am I willing to change.
Do show my love of God through my love of neighbor? How will I stand before Jesus at the moment of the Last Judgment?
 

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Yes that is what the man Paul says, but it is not what the Second Person of the Trinity, Our Lord and God Jesus said.
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to Chat.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

GRACE And Peace...
 

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Because of the doctrine, Sola Fide/Faith Alone, many churches/assemblies will not teach other parts of Scripture that bring 'faith alone' into question. One thing needs to be made clear is that you will never see the words 'faith alone' in the Old or New Testament, It's not there. Faith alone is a man made tradition dating back to the 17th century. You can easily investigate this on line.
John 3:16-18
Romans 10:9-10
 

Snacks

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Jesus told us that faith in Him includes believing and following His teachings and obeying His commandments.
No one is disputing this. Some of us are just saying that Good works don’t bring forth or maintain salvation.
 
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No one is disputing this. Some of us are just saying that Good works don’t bring forth or maintain salvation.
Saved by grace for good works. So simple, how does anyone miss it?
 

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If you have true faith in Jesus, the Holy Spirit will transform you into a new Creation in Jesus. Jesus will come into your heart and He will abide in you and you in Him. If this is the case, you will do the same works that Jesus did and taught. If you have true faith, it will be shown through your works.

Many on this board say works aren't important toward salvation. Jesus says, time after time, that they are. Personally,, I'll stick with what Jesus says.
 
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1 John 2;1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
The little children only covers one stage of the Christian walk. Below are the other two. Notice the Young Men have overcome the evil one.
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.
(1 John 2:13)


Many doctrines teach the Christian they are born again when they believe, or when they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, or by other means. Which is not true...How can someone who sins, say they have overcome the evil one..when they still sin? That's like a cigarette smoker, who smokes 2 packs a day, saying he has overcome his addiction to smoking, by only smoking 1 pack a day.
Would You call them an overcomer?
 

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That's the whole point, you don't believe the Gospel.
Where does the Bible teach Grace is unmerited?
amen

By grace through faith

grace

“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭

faith

“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. ….Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:13-14, 22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of Noah had said “ lord that’s not grace if I have to do what your saying to be saved “ he wouldn’t have had faith but he believes the warning and acted in faith

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Noah didn’t have this faith

“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:26‬ ‭

that kind of faith would have drown Noah and his family

he had this faith which is based on what God had said to him

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Noah building the ark was just his belief of what God told him was coming in Action . He knew the flood was coming God told him so of course Noah followed the instructions for his and his families salvstion that’s what faith has always been and will always be hearing what God said and believing it beforehand so we’re going to follow what he’s saying will save us
 

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Bitter enemies, Paul was just a man and in conflict with Jesus.

Mwhaaaaaaaaaa.
In the process they forget truths like...

Acts 9:15 (NASB) But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;

or

2 Peter 3:15-16 (NASB) and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 

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The lie Satan told was that they would not surely die.
as well as 'be like God' v.5, which is ironic for why become someone who is getting a bad rap from the other person that is trying to convince you.
 

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as well as 'be like God' v.5, which is ironic for why become someone who is getting a bad rap from the other person that is trying to convince you.
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”
 

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There it is, we define Grace differently. I define Grace as being under Gods protection, because God loves you.
What is your definition?
We actually have a similar definition.

Grace is God's undeserved favor, God's unconditional love, directed towards us and manifested in Jesus Christ.
 

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You are joking..right?
Of course I am joking.

Some folk who follow a theology of works have problems with what Paul wrote. So when you post, 'Saved by grace through faith', they react with verses from Matthew or James. Many church movements have faith and works locked together, it is their church doctrine.

The surprising thing is that the apostle John also declares the same doctrine as Paul does.

Here are some verses from John which echo Paul's declaration of the gospel.

John 3:15
So that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

There are many more verses from John but space is limited.
 

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In the process they forget truths like...

Acts 9:15 (NASB) But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;

or

2 Peter 3:15-16 (NASB) and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Agree with you.

You can actually bundle up Paul, Peter, and John together, as they teach an identical gospel.

Here are some verses from John which are identical to Paul's.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

John 7:38
The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water'.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies.

John 11:26
And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?

Both of the words, 'Faith' and 'believe', are the exactly the same word in the Greek (pistis).
 

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The little children only covers one stage of the Christian walk. Below are the other two. Notice the Young Men have overcome the evil one.
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.
(1 John 2:13)


Many doctrines teach the Christian they are born again when they believe, or when they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, or by other means. Which is not true...How can someone who sins, say they have overcome the evil one..when they still sin? That's like a cigarette smoker, who smokes 2 packs a day, saying he has overcome his addiction to smoking, by only smoking 1 pack a day.
Would You call them an overcomer?
Depends on how you understand what 'overcoming' means given the context.

I would propose that Jesus accomplished the victory for us. Jesus overcame the enemy, the evil one, and we have that same power now.
The apostles rejoiced when they returned to Jesus because they had been given that power over the demons. Jesus is the source and the reason anyone can overcome.

We are also protected from the influence of the devil in and over our lives. The same goes for sin, the Holy Spirit convicts us when we sin. So in time we sin less and less. Hence, from the day one first believes that process of overcoming, should be evident in every Christian's life.

It's easy to extrapolate and say when a person believes in Jesus, they have overcome the enemy (sin, death, the devil)!
 

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Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”
In my book, even a half truth is a lie.
 

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That's like a cigarette smoker, who smokes 2 packs a day, saying he has overcome his addiction to smoking, by only smoking 1 pack a day.
Would You call them an overcomer?
I would call them sanctified which is a lifelong process. They are indeed overcoming.
 

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That's the whole point, you don't believe the Gospel.
Where does the Bible teach Grace is unmerited?
Sadly, you’re the one who doesn’t believe the Gospel. Merited GRACE is not GRACE at all. Be careful, little one; it’s easy to see you’re placing your salvation within the confines of your own hands rather than in God’s.