Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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Paul did not say that our salvation was predicated on anything.
We are only ever saved by the redemption granted to us through Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ alone is the sole reason for our salvation. It's not Jesus plus anything that you can do. That is not what Paul said.
We are redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ only. Salvation is a free gift always.
Your a sinner and that is the outward behavior in your life. Your surrender must be a partial surrender.
We are only ever saved by the redemption granted to us through Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ alone is the sole reason for our salvation. It's not Jesus plus anything that you can do. That is not what Paul said.
We are redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ only. Salvation is a free gift always.
Your a sinner and that is the outward behavior in your life. Your surrender must be a partial surrender.
The ten commandments the Catholic proclaim is very close to the ten commandments you teach. You both preach the law for salvation anyway. The Catholics assign a mortal sin to missing the Sunday service. You folk honor the day before and likewise say, don't break the Sabbath. The soul that sins shall die.
You both declare Jesus plus the law (or church law) for salvation.
Paul preaches something different, i.e., saved by grace through faith and that is a gift from God.
Huge difference between these two versions of the good news.
One preaches faith and the other preaches the Sabbath, hmmmm, I wonder who is right?
You both declare Jesus plus the law (or church law) for salvation.
Paul preaches something different, i.e., saved by grace through faith and that is a gift from God.
Huge difference between these two versions of the good news.
One preaches faith and the other preaches the Sabbath, hmmmm, I wonder who is right?
You must have misunderstood. I said the "Works" of the Law of Moses, those 600 plus... were done away with, not the Ten Commandments..they were carried over and part of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.
And again...I believe the Sabbath Law is still in effect...just not in the way you believe it's kept.
And again...I believe the Sabbath Law is still in effect...just not in the way you believe it's kept.
And then the Catholic Church validated their claim to be the first church, by proclaiming Peter to be the first Pope.
Why they did this?
Jesus said about Peter..."Upon this Rock, I will build my Church". So with the help of Peter, they became the foundational church. And as we can see in Acts...Peter sided with the Pharisees against Paul. These same Pharisees became the priests....and the rest is history. I suspect they eventually killed Peter along with the rest, by proclaiming they were a Gnostic..church.
Why they did this?
Jesus said about Peter..."Upon this Rock, I will build my Church". So with the help of Peter, they became the foundational church. And as we can see in Acts...Peter sided with the Pharisees against Paul. These same Pharisees became the priests....and the rest is history. I suspect they eventually killed Peter along with the rest, by proclaiming they were a Gnostic..church.
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John 3:16
Whosoever believe will be save
We have free will
All you can do is believe that the only contribution
I don't believe we have to produce fruit
That what you think I believe
No I am not
After we open our heart and Jesus in
Jesus in us will produce the fruit we as a branch bear it
We only bear the fruit not produce
But if the branch not bear the fruit, it will be cut off trown into fire
Whosoever believe will be save
We have free will
All you can do is believe that the only contribution
I don't believe we have to produce fruit
That what you think I believe
No I am not
After we open our heart and Jesus in
Jesus in us will produce the fruit we as a branch bear it
We only bear the fruit not produce
But if the branch not bear the fruit, it will be cut off trown into fire
What I believe is spiritual sabbath mean when Jesus in your heart you will get rest
In OT physical sabbath
In NT spiritual sabbath
In OT if you have sex with other than your wife you commit adultery
In NT if you see woman with lust you commit adultery
So NT more concern about what is in your mind
You may not doing physical work on Saturday but your mind working hard that not rest.
That is why Jesus say come ye with heavy laden I give you a rest/sabbath
That replace OT sabbath law
In OT physical sabbath
In NT spiritual sabbath
In OT if you have sex with other than your wife you commit adultery
In NT if you see woman with lust you commit adultery
So NT more concern about what is in your mind
You may not doing physical work on Saturday but your mind working hard that not rest.
That is why Jesus say come ye with heavy laden I give you a rest/sabbath
That replace OT sabbath law
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The person I quoted cites this verse often and implies it means that salvation is based on the merits of our personal, progressive holiness, which crosses the line into salvation by works.
The NASB reads - Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. (Hebrews 12:14). To be sanctified is to be "set apart/made holy." Without justification, there is no sanctification.
This person also relentlessly attacks OSAS and implies that OSAS believers promote a license to sin and are most likely living like the devil.
This person also cites these texts to imply we are saved by works. I see this is a wide spread problem. By cultivating the qualities listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7, Christians can be sure that God has called them and elected them. These fruits will confirm it. Make sure you have been called and elected - bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety). To practice these qualities gives evidence of salvation, though they are not the basis (or cause) of salvation. They are the effect. Cause of being in Christ (FAITH) effect of being in Christ (FRUIT).
For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (vs. 8). For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins (vs. 9). What is the object of the forgetting? Is this forgetting temporary because this believer had fallen into error or does this lack of fruit exist because this person’s "cleansing" was merely an external reformation that did not come from a truly changed heart?
The genuineness of their profession will be demonstrated as they express these virtues. These fruits confirm their divine source. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:10)
Proverbs 24:16, we read - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.
The NASB reads - Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. (Hebrews 12:14). To be sanctified is to be "set apart/made holy." Without justification, there is no sanctification.
This person also relentlessly attacks OSAS and implies that OSAS believers promote a license to sin and are most likely living like the devil.
This person also cites these texts to imply we are saved by works. I see this is a wide spread problem. By cultivating the qualities listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7, Christians can be sure that God has called them and elected them. These fruits will confirm it. Make sure you have been called and elected - bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety). To practice these qualities gives evidence of salvation, though they are not the basis (or cause) of salvation. They are the effect. Cause of being in Christ (FAITH) effect of being in Christ (FRUIT).
For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (vs. 8). For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins (vs. 9). What is the object of the forgetting? Is this forgetting temporary because this believer had fallen into error or does this lack of fruit exist because this person’s "cleansing" was merely an external reformation that did not come from a truly changed heart?
The genuineness of their profession will be demonstrated as they express these virtues. These fruits confirm their divine source. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:10)
Proverbs 24:16, we read - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.
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He's writing to Christians in Rome which are "inward" Jews, despite being outward Gentiles. It's not according to race, but according to grace, right or wrong?
That's why Dispensationalism is such extra-Biblical bulldookey introduced to Christendom by none other than Jesuit-influenced, post-Reformation "Protestants" like Darby who callously dismissed the 1,200+ year wholesale slaughter of the saints by Papists as insignificant history simply because he wasn't around to see the infants ripped from their Protestant mother's wombs and their heads smashed against the rocks...and refuse to accept that the Papacy is the only institution which fits all the identifying marks of Antichrist in Scritpure.
That's why Dispensationalism is such extra-Biblical bulldookey introduced to Christendom by none other than Jesuit-influenced, post-Reformation "Protestants" like Darby who callously dismissed the 1,200+ year wholesale slaughter of the saints by Papists as insignificant history simply because he wasn't around to see the infants ripped from their Protestant mother's wombs and their heads smashed against the rocks...and refuse to accept that the Papacy is the only institution which fits all the identifying marks of Antichrist in Scritpure.
OK, let's find out if the Bible agrees with you: "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise". Heirs to what promise? That's right: Salvation
Therefore:
Therefore:
- Paul plainly says salvation is predicated on whether or not we belong to Christ (Galatians 3:29 KJV)...
- that the proof that we belong to Christ is that we have the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9 KJV)...
- and God only gives His Spirit to them that obey Him (Acts 5:32 KJV).
Jesus said, ....“The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
But today many believe Man was made for the Sabbath...and not that Sabbath was made for man..as Jesus taught. Going to gather with folks to worship, a day of rest? Just ask any kid whose made to attend church on "The Sabbath" , if they think it's a day of rest...instead of sleeping in like everyone else.
If these folks today, kept the Sabbath like that back then,...Well they wouldn't do it more than once!
This practice of worshiping on "The Sabbath" must have come by way of the practices of the Catholic Church. Their priests put themselves on the same footing as Jesus Christ. Why else would they confess their sins to these "Priests". And just by calling themselves priests reminds us of the Levite priesthood where there are many priests, not one as in the case of Melchizedek
But today many believe Man was made for the Sabbath...and not that Sabbath was made for man..as Jesus taught. Going to gather with folks to worship, a day of rest? Just ask any kid whose made to attend church on "The Sabbath" , if they think it's a day of rest...instead of sleeping in like everyone else.
If these folks today, kept the Sabbath like that back then,...Well they wouldn't do it more than once!
This practice of worshiping on "The Sabbath" must have come by way of the practices of the Catholic Church. Their priests put themselves on the same footing as Jesus Christ. Why else would they confess their sins to these "Priests". And just by calling themselves priests reminds us of the Levite priesthood where there are many priests, not one as in the case of Melchizedek
why would the 10 commandments be any different than the rest of the law?
in Romans 6-8 it is explained that we are set free from the law by this mechanism: we have died with Christ. the rationale is that a dead man is no longer under any of the law, because he is dead. what would make the decalogue have power over the dead but none of the rest of the law?
and in case we don't think Paul includes the 10 commandments under the term "the law" -- in Romans 7:7-8 Paul describes how "the law" gave him knowledge of sin, and picks one of the 10 commandments as an example of what he is talking about. therefore the 10 commandments are part of "the law"
nowhere in the NT does anyone speak of "the law" as being anything other than all of the law - 10 commandments included.
Christ tells us that the whole basis of the law, upon which all of it rests, is two commands one found in Deuteronomy 6 and the other Leviticus 19 -- both of these would be part of the 'works of the law of Moses' according to your terminology. neither are part of the 10 commandments.
instead, the 10 commandments are extrapolated from the basis of the law: love the LORD, love your neighbor. so if those 'works of the law of Moses' were done away with, then the 10 commandments have no basis anymore either -- because Christ calls them part of "the law" and says all of the law, including the decalogue, rests on those two.
furthermore the 10 commandments are explicitly called the covenant in Deuteronomy 4:13 -- and we know that the old covenant has passed away by the ordaining of the new covenant ((John 13, Hebrews 8 particularly verse 13 in very plain language)).
nowhere in the NT do we ever see any of the apostles commanding that people keep sabbath. the only thing even related to such a command is in Colossians 2 where we are told not to let anyone judge us over sabbath, and in Romans 14 where we are told again not to judge one another over sabbath but that each person should be persuaded in their own mind. these things are incompatible with the idea that sabbath-keeping was commanded to believers in the early church or seen in any way as a requirement. it is conspicuously absent from the council in Acts 15 when it was being decided what instructions to give Gentiles who had come to faith. moreover there is no mention anywhere in the NT of being 'still under the 10 but not the rest' whenever our relationship to the law is being discussed.
where do you get the idea Christians are under the 10 commandments but no other part of the law?
seems to me the Biblical narrative is that we are either under all of the law or we are simply not under the law at all.
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