Respecting the law

[TMS]

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

 

[TMS]

This is the typical Judaizer's baited question. It's fallacious, because it assumes wrongly that there are only two options: follow the law rigorously or be a profligate sinner.

That isn't my stance.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

God gave us this law (moral law) to help us understand righteousness or by being lawless what sin is.
i do believe that Christ perfectly obeyed the law and is therefore righteous and sinless.
i believe that we are not capable of being sinless like Jesus was so we all fall short of the glory of God as Paul said. But we have Jesus as our advocate and saviour, Praise God.
So do we make void the law because Jesus kept it perfectly?
Do we make void the law because we have faith that Jesus will save us of sinful, wicket behaviour.

Because we love Jesus we uphold the Law and obey it by faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

While on this earth no one can conclude that they are saved or are not saved.
We are born again while here. Christ will determine if we are saved....after physical death.

John said we can know we have eternal life.

if your trying to get to god by your performance your right, no one can know

praise God we can only get to him through grace, so we all can know

if you do not know, then I worry about you,,

 

[Pilgrimshope]

While on this earth no one can conclude that they are saved or are not saved.
We are born again while here. Christ will determine if we are saved....after physical death.

amen that is exactly the right view to have it seems as if you have actually heard what Paul teaches God bless

“But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We definately need to stop judging people saved or condemned and let the lord do that part

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

How do you keep HIS commandments In a way that GOD will accept since GOD will only accept perfection?

 

[Runningman]

The law is only useful to make people aware of their sins. Once you know you are a sinner it's overkill to keep hammering that point. Once you know that all it took was one transgression of one point of the law to be damned to hell, any further attempts to keep the law are striving vainly against our inevitable doom.

The only point of the law is to make people realize the helplessness of their state, throw themselves on the mercy of God, and trust in Jesus Christ for the salvation of their souls.

 

[Jackson123]

Firstly the law does not give you eternal life only God does,

Lawless not give eternal life, Jesus does. And Jesus give a law

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This is new law, whosoever believe The Son will be save.

Salvation need forgiveness of sin. Jesus forgive whosoever believe.

Believe of His teaching

His teaching and main law is love your God with all your strength and love your fellow man like yourself

If you don't do His law and hate God you not save

Only people that believe on His teaching/law above will be forgiven or save

It was God forgive people if they do ani,al sacrifice

That God law no longer effective since Jesus pay and change animal sacrifice in to sacrifice Himself

 

[SophieT]

While on this earth no one can conclude that they are saved or are not saved.
We are born again while here. Christ will determine if we are saved....after physical death.

apparently you have one of those Bible Variant editions that include multiple choice conclusions

11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. I John 5

 

[Ogom]

John said we can know we have eternal life.

if your trying to get to god by your performance your right, no one can know

praise God we can only get to him through grace, so we all can know

if you do not know, then I worry about you,,

Philippians 3: 10I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly calling in Christ Jesus.

15All of us who are mature should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about some issue, God will reveal this to you as well. 16Nevertheless, we must live up to what we have already attained.

 

[Ogom]

How do you keep HIS commandments In a way that GOD will accept since GOD will only accept perfection?

God doesn't just accept perfection or we would all be lost. He calls us where we are at and even many times in our life He might -- calls us back when/if we get lost in sin.

"many are called, few are chosen"

NIV Phil 3 "13 ... I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus."

heavenward. He has called us to come out of the world and it's ways of thinking more and more.

Following Paul’s Example

"15 All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained."

let us live up to what we have already attained

the King James version says this:

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already [e]attained, let us walk by the same [f]rule, let us be of the same mind.

the mature come to different understandings, or can, then the immature - those on milk and herbs. those on milk and lower teachings (lesser teachings) - for the immature - are not yet matured enough to comprehend and/or to accept where the mature are at.

but to the degree that we have attained to perfection and unto more perfect understanding - gone beyond milk, herbs, ect. to the degree we have attained from not sinning and the degrees of understandings that go along with us on the journey of attaining - we must walk by the same rules and understandings that we have attained.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Philippians 3: 10I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly calling in Christ Jesus.

15All of us who are mature should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about some issue, God will reveal this to you as well. 16Nevertheless, we must live up to what we have already attained.

Paul was not pressing on to be saved

he was pressing on to be all God created him to be, so he would not be ashamed

 

[seed_time_harvest]

God doesn't just accept perfection or we would all be lost.

I’m talking about for salvation.

 

[peldom10]

This is the typical Judaizer's baited question. It's fallacious, because it assumes wrongly that there are only two options: follow the law rigorously or be a profligate sinner.

So...educate us...what are the other options...based on scripture. Please forgo.... opinions.

 

[peldom10]

There is no such thing as Moses law. Only God's law is referred ......in the Bible....from Commandments.

 

[de-emerald]

There is no such thing as Moses law. Only God's law is referred ......in the Bible....from Commandments.

Amen Old testerment law deauteronomy 6:5 Love the lord with all you heart and all your strenght.

Deauteronomy 10:19 and you are to love those who are foreingners.

New testerment this is the first and greatest commandment and the second is like it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself, on theese two commandments depend all the law.

both laws are the same in the old as the new, all of the rest of law is not done away with apart from some, the rest of the law depends on theese two great laws.

Hebrews 10:26-27 writes if we carry on sinning after we recieve the truth, we can expect a fearful judgement. (to recieve his truth is recieving a manifestation of his grace also),

respecting this law would also be to fear Gods judgement and to sin would be to break Gods law. However when you sin there is the question how did you come to sin, this is an honest question, how did you sin. most people would say i dont know how

 

[seed_time_harvest]

There is no such thing as Moses law. Only God's law is referred ......in the Bible....from Commandments.

I call It Moses’s law because GOD made a New Covenant.

 

[peldom10]

I call It Moses’s law because GOD made a New Covenant.

God's new covenant has no bearing on who's law it is. God's law is present in both old and new covenants.
Separate items.

 

[peldom10]

timed out...
I have never heard of God's commandments referred as Moses law. An affront to God...assuredly.

I plan to include that one in our program of research of when ...new age religion teachings began. I venture a conclusion...it will be starting with the 1960's.

Any help with knowledge of timing will be appreciated.

Note to research team; include this one on the list with usual reporting protocol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

timed out...
I have never heard of God's commandments referred as Moses law. An affront to God...assuredly.

I plan to include that one in our program of research of when ...new age religion teachings began. I venture a conclusion...it will be starting with the 1960's.

Any help with knowledge of timing will be appreciated.

Note to research team; include this one on the list with usual reporting protocol.

Luke 2:22
Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

jesus called it the law of moses

Luke 24:44
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me

John 7:23
If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?

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Acts 13:39
and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses

Acts 28:23
So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening

Paul calls it the law of moses

1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about?

Hebrews 10:28
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses

you better research more before you make such bold statements as if I never heard it referred to the law of Moses

 

[Nehemiah6]

I have never heard of God's commandments referred as Moses law.

Why don't you study the Bible before making such remarks? THERE ARE 22 PLACES WHERE THE BIBLE CALLS IT "THE LAW OF MOSES"!