Retire the Ten Commandments?

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Every part of the OT law has been fulfilled: not obliterated, destroyed, or negated.

Do the ten commandments have application and use for us today? Absolutely, but not as a means to attain holiness and salvation. The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.
Here is Jesus on the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

We are unable to keep the law. Thank God for Jesus sacrificing himself for us. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Thus removing the penalty of our sins from us. We are judged through his blood and are cleansed from our sins.
 

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The great difficulty with interpreting scripture is that it is not all teaching the same lessons consistently. How are we to please our Father? The breaking of the OT laws meant a death sentence in most cases. Is that love? It is not the forgiveness that Jesus showed. You shalt not kill was not even honored in the old testament. Moses was told to kill men women and children constantly. Moses was effectively picking up the stone to cast it. Jesus told us not to cast stones since we are not sinless. These are opposite concepts friends. Love and death are certainly opposites. You can not discuss the validity of the law without realizing that someone back there is trying to kill us for not following it. Is our Father the murderer or is it the curse of Satan that allows such opposite ideas to exist within the cover of our Bibles. Love will certainly show us that forgiving our enemies is so much greater than killing them


. HOW DIFFICULT IS ALL OF THIS SUPPOSED TO BE. Is torment and death really a good teaching method. Love defines our responses to evil. Do not return it. Jesus has given us a simple method of living our lives, but we keep looking for some other answers. This site exists because people still can't figure out how to interpret their daddy. Jesus is non-retaliatory and that is the final word. If we find words to the contrary, they are flat out wrong. Take a side and stay with it. Forgiveness for sin is the answer, not dying because you could not follow it anyway. This is very simple stuff. Only the intellectuals are having problems with trying to make sense of it all. Jesus told us that love is the fulfilling of the law. Not following all of the rules with death sentences attached to them. Someone still believes that Jesus was trying to validate the old testament commands. How tangled our understanding becomes when we start trying to validate the old by vindicating the new. We have been set free from all of the confusion. No longer do we have to believe that He ever asked us to kill each other. He would never have done such a confusing thing. Some of you will continue to believe that it was god who asked us to kill for him, and you will seek to prove that he had some good reason for it. There was none. You don't teach children how to punish and later teach how to forgive. Is this getting clear to any of you. Gods concepts are easy but do require a stand. The lesser has been exposed and the simplicity of the truth remains. Love will please Daddy!
There is the carrot and the stick. We show God's love for us and hopefully many will respond. On a political site I post on love is ridiculed. The stick fares no better. Therefore love needs to be used. We provide the Word of God to others in love, pray for them, and leave it up to God!!!
 

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What does keeping the sabbath day holy (7th day) have to do with morality?

Is someone who rests on Saturday morally pure?

Is someone who works on Saturday morally corrupt?
Ask G-d that question.
Let us know His answer.

Do we not understand that we have no standing to question G-d's commandments? Geesscch!
 
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What does keeping the sabbath day holy (7th day) have to do with morality?

Is someone who rests on Saturday morally pure?

Is someone who works on Saturday morally corrupt?
Ask G-d that question.
Let us know His answer.

Do we not understand that we have no standing to question G-d's commandments? Geesscch!
Does that question leave you In deflection mode.
GOD looks at the heart,right?

Even someone In the world should easily be able answer that.
Sigh...
 

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We are unable to keep the law. Thank God for Jesus sacrificing himself for us. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Thus removing the penalty of our sins from us. We are judged through his blood and are cleansed from our sins.
Can we have faith with no action?
 
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WASHINGTON – A mega-pastor of one of the largest “evangelical” churches in the U.S. is attacking the Old Testament again, this time insisting Jesus rendered the Ten Commandments null and void, issuing one new law “as a replacement for everything.” Andy Stanley, pastor of the 34,000-member North Point Community Church in suburban Atlanta, who famously advised his flock to “unhitch” from the Old Testament in a sermon last spring, has now penned an article promoting his new book saying laws such as “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” and “Thou shalt not kill” are no longer relevant to Christians living in the New Covenant era……Read More


He must have been talking with the pope.

A new, new age religion concept........."great deceptions in the end times".

The Bible does not change. People try to change the Bible....by reinterpretation or a new bible edition.

This is not even believable. To the dung heap.
You can't get rid of the ten commandments for while the Old Testament is a covenant with physical laws, the spiritual laws were still there, which is love God, and love people, the moral laws, and the ten commandments are laws of love towards God, and people, so it is spiritual laws, with the physical sabbath becoming a spiritual sabbath, a spiritual rest by the Spirit.

That is why Paul said we do not void out the law through faith, but we establish the law, live up to the law, which he is speaking of the spiritual laws of the Old Testament, and said the law is spiritual, and holy, and just, and good.

That is why Jesus told the rich man to inherit eternal life he had to obey the 6 commandments that have to do with loving people that were part of the ten commandments, for they are spiritual laws, and love is the fulfilling of the law, but he said he obeyed them, so Jesus told him to sell all he had that was not a necessity for that is part of loving people to care about their needs.

The ten commandments are spiritual laws, not physical laws, for any law that has to do with love towards God, and people, is spiritual, and cannot be done away with.

Paul said we establish the law, live up to the spiritual law, which we can do by the Spirit.
 

Grandpa

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Ask G-d that question.
Let us know His answer.

Do we not understand that we have no standing to question G-d's commandments? Geesscch!
It was an obvious rhetorical question that I guess went over your head.

It has nothing to do with morality. Otherwise everyone would rest on Saturdays, or else feel guilty for not.

And the Lord Jesus would have addressed it in His Sermon on the Mount.

But nobody feels guilty for not resting on Saturdays. And the Lord Jesus didn't address it.
 

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WASHINGTON – A mega-pastor of one of the largest “evangelical” churches in the U.S. is attacking the Old Testament again, this time insisting Jesus rendered the Ten Commandments null and void, issuing one new law “as a replacement for everything.” Andy Stanley, pastor of the 34,000-member North Point Community Church in suburban Atlanta, who famously advised his flock to “unhitch” from the Old Testament in a sermon last spring, has now penned an article promoting his new book saying laws such as “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” and “Thou shalt not kill” are no longer relevant to Christians living in the New Covenant era……Read More


He must have been talking with the pope.

A new, new age religion concept........."great deceptions in the end times".

The Bible does not change. People try to change the Bible....by reinterpretation or a new bible edition.

This is not even believable. To the dung heap.
Hate to say about a preacher he is brain dead, but he is brain dead.
Everyone of the 10 commandments has a sound principle of life behind it.
To break anyone of those principles does harm and leads to death.

The poverty intellectually, spiritually and historically shows how empty the church he preaches in
must be to approve of such a man.

A case could be made, just saying what he is saying is apostate and heretical.
Jesus has fulfilled the law, not abolishing it, but showing it is the pathway to heaven and life,
Holy and righteous.
 

Grandpa

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Hate to say about a preacher he is brain dead, but he is brain dead.
Everyone of the 10 commandments has a sound principle of life behind it.
To break anyone of those principles does harm and leads to death.

The poverty intellectually, spiritually and historically shows how empty the church he preaches in
must be to approve of such a man.

A case could be made, just saying what he is saying is apostate and heretical.
Jesus has fulfilled the law, not abolishing it, but showing it is the pathway to heaven and life,
Holy and righteous.
I don't know why Christians are so confused by the law.

The law is NOT and NEVER WAS the pathway to heaven.

The law is to show you that you can't get there by yourself.

The law is to show you that you need Christ and that Christ ALONE is the Pathway to Heaven.
 

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Why are people concerned if you dont go to that church. Then it ought not to bother you, but if you do, then sure talk to the pastor about it! If I were to check the news every time a pastor preached something I didnt like and cause a big media hype about it, well wouldnt I be the Pharisee.

So what if its a 'mega church' or if it was someone who told three people. If they didnt tell you then it wasnt for you! Besides, what people preach in the pulpit if is way outside the agreed church doctrines, bible etc the. The elders would be on to that person.

How about people just keep on preaching the gosepl and telling the truth and ignoring the lies. Truth will always triumph over lies and heresy anyway. If someone is blatantly telling a lie, warn them and rebuke them. But the more attention they recieve, the more it fuels their lies I reckon.

I remember one time I went to this bible study. One lady wanted to read rob bells book instead of the Bible. SHe said everyone had been talking about it and she wanted us to listen to it and hear what he had to say. Well it was so boring I thought what a waste of time, we could have been reading the Bible directly instead of listening to someone else go on about what he thought about it. She didnt agree with some of what he said or wrote either, so it wasnt even profitable or edifiying for us. And we couldnt ask rob Bell directly to explain why he wrote what he wrote since he didnt even go to our church. Its not like we could call him up or anything.

(I suspected he had some issues being raised in churches as a child with some teaching he couldnt grasp, but he never eleaborated).
 

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Does that question leave you In deflection mode.
GOD looks at the heart,right?

Even someone In the world should easily be able answer that.
Sigh...
I conclude you are on the earth...so...where is the answer? and why didn't you include it in your response.....hello?
 

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I don't know why Christians are so confused by the law.
The law is NOT and NEVER WAS the pathway to heaven.
The law is to show you that you can't get there by yourself.
The law is to show you that you need Christ and that Christ ALONE is the Pathway to Heaven.
The law expresses Gods heart for mankind, His love, His wisdom and His passion.
Jesus is also the very expression of God, His Word, His message, His love.

Our goal is to know God, Jesus and be indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
This is salvation.

The law was given to show Israel how to live, and the temple to resolve failure through repentence
and sacrifice.

So when it is said that Christ alone is the pathway to heaven, it is like saying knowing God is the
pathway to heaven, or walking in His ways is the pathway to heaven.

There is a hatred of certain expressions of belief, that is the problem, rather than transcending love
that overwhelms and puts into context all other things. Jesus is all in all, and has always be so.

So dear brother, rather than you feeling I need correcting, please come and see the perspective God
provides through scripture.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 
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I conclude you are on the earth...so...where is the answer? and why didn't you include it in your response.....hello?
I conclude you are on the earth...so...where is the answer? and why didn't you include it in your response.....hello?
I’ll answer that In a way that hopefully gives you pause so that you will think about It.
You say that I’m on earth and how would I know what GOD said,ok I read the Bible because I believe GOD Inspired It through men.

When you got saved what makes you believe that the Bible Is true since you like me are also on earth?
 

preston39

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I’ll answer that In a way that hopefully gives you pause so that you will think about It.
You say that I’m on earth and how would I know what GOD said,ok I read the Bible because I believe GOD Inspired It through men.

When you got saved what makes you believe that the Bible Is true since you like me are also on earth?
You need to study the Bible...I see.

We are not saved while on this earth. After repentance, baptism and committed to a righteous life we are ..."born again".
After we die and are judged by G-d for a righteous life and He pronounces us ..."saved"...then we are saved and no one can take that from us.

I doubt He appreciates us concluding that we are saved before......do you?
 

Grandpa

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The law expresses Gods heart for mankind, His love, His wisdom and His passion.
Jesus is also the very expression of God, His Word, His message, His love.

Our goal is to know God, Jesus and be indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
This is salvation.

The law was given to show Israel how to live, and the temple to resolve failure through repentence
and sacrifice.

So when it is said that Christ alone is the pathway to heaven, it is like saying knowing God is the
pathway to heaven, or walking in His ways is the pathway to heaven.

There is a hatred of certain expressions of belief, that is the problem, rather than transcending love
that overwhelms and puts into context all other things. Jesus is all in all, and has always be so.

So dear brother, rather than you feeling I need correcting, please come and see the perspective God
provides through scripture.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
2 Timothy 3:16-17
I just told you the perspective God provides through scripture.

If you can't see it, then there is only one thing to do.
 

preston39

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I don't know why Christians are so confused by the law.

The law is NOT and NEVER WAS the pathway to heaven.

The law is to show you that you can't get there by yourself.

The law is to show you that you need Christ and that Christ ALONE is the Pathway to Heaven.

The true Christian is not confused. The casual christian ....is. The true Christian will never be confused because G-d will guide in understanding scriptures.

G-d's law is a guide for us to follow in order to meet His righteous standards. If He did not give us those guide lines, what standard would we apply?
Not a acceptable one....I submit.
 

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4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
THE REAL SHADOW

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of an holy day,or of the new moon,or of the Sabbath days:which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ."[Colossians 2:16,17]

This scripture is the one most easily used to say, the Sabbath is no longer to be observed as this was only a shadow of things to come.

An examination of the context however will reveal clearly that the Sabbath mentioned in the passage could not be a reference to the weekly Sabbath.

The scriptures do show Paul affirming the ten commandments and the law in general as being used by the Christian to identify sin and for us to know what is love.[Romans 13:8-9;7:7;I Timothy 1:8-11]


How could he,in Colossians 2:16,17,be proscribing Sabbath observance.This would be contradictory not only to his own writings but also to the whole counsel of scripture.[Matthew 5:17-20;19:16-19;I John 3:4; James 2:9-12;Romans 2:11-13]

Paul in Colossians 2,is explaining the value of Christ to those who have believed in him. He says:

"And ye are complete in him....In whom also ye are circumcised....,in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.[Colossians 2:10,11]

He elaborates:

"And you being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,hath he quickened together with Him,having forgiven you all trespasses;blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,which was contrary to us and took it out of the way,nailing it to His cross."[Colossians 2:13,14]


From the above we see that Jesus by His death on the cross has caused our sins to be forgiven.This happened because His death caused the handwriting of ordinances which were against us to be blotted out.But what are these handwriting of ordinances?


The passage implies,sins were committed, which put into effect ordinances, which were against us because of these sins.

Some claim they were the ten commandments ie. get rid of the law and apparently you will get rid of sin.If this was so then there would be no need for Christ to die.Others say they were the written records of our sins.The text and scriptures do not support either claim.


handwriting - cheirographos(Grk),something hand written ie.,a manuscript,spec.a legal document or bond ie.a covenant or binding agreement.

ordinances - dogma(Grk),a law.

Without various human philosophies which try to interpret this phrase,the meaning is clear.The handwriting of ordinances which were against us refers to a legal document or a law by which persons are bound and which had to do with our sins.


Were the ten commandments against us because they show us our sins? No.[Romans 7:7-13;I John 5:3]


"For sin,taking occasion by the commandment,deceived me,and by it slew me.Wherefore the law is holy,and the commandment holy just and good."[Romans 7:11,12]

The problem is sin and the fact that sin brings a curse and death which was prescribed by the law.These are the handwriting of ordinances which were against us.The most far reaching of these ordinances was found in Deuteronomy 27:26:


"Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of the law to do them.And all the people shall say amen."[See also, Deuteronomy 27:1-26;Ezekiel 18:4,20]


Paul in commenting on this said:


"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law,being made a curse for us:for it is written,Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."[Galatians 3:13;see,vs.10-12]


Surely a curse is against us and would require either the life of the sinner or of some suitable substitute.Christ is now that substitute according to the apostle Paul.[Colossians 2:13,14;Galatians 3:13.] Prior to Christ,how was this done?

The focus of Paul in Colossians 2:10-15 is to show that the work of Christ is sufficient to make us righteous in God's sight.The curse is removed and those practices which mitigated against the curse are now no longer necessary because of Christ's death also.Hence Paul says:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat and drink....."[Colossians 2:16,17]

The offerings and sacrifices made in the old covenant to mitigate against the curse are replaced by the one and perfect sacrifice of Christ.

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things,can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect....For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins."[Hebrews 10:1-4]

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. [Hebrews 9:9-12]

It is the sacrifices and feasts in which they took place year by year that are the shadows of Colossians 2:16,17.[See,Leviticus 23]

"These are the feasts of the Lord,which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations,to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord,a burnt offering,and a meat offering,a sacrifice,and drink offerings,everything upon His day."[Leviticus 23:37;Hebrews 9:6-10]

These yearly feasts had Sabbaths attached to them(holy convocations) and it is these which are being referred to in Colossians 2:16,17, not the Sabbath of the ten commandments. Special sacrifices and activities also took place on the new moon which was important in determining the times for the feasts.[Numbers 10:10;28:11]

Paul is simply trying to show that the Lord Jesus has replaced those sacrifices and hence we longer have to perform them nor keep the feasts and days in which these were scheduled to occur.

Note that the weekly Sabbath was made long before Israel and before sin came into the world,whereas the feasts and associated Sabbaths were introduced because of sin and the need to atone for the same.[Jeremiah 7:21-23;Galatians 3:19:Genesis 2:1,2;Mark 2:27.]
 

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The true Christian is not confused. The casual christian ....is. The true Christian will never be confused because G-d will guide in understanding scriptures.
Well that's true.

G-d's law is a guide for us to follow in order to meet His righteous standards..
And there is the common confusion.

No one meets His Righteous Standards by working at the law.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


How does a Christian even say that the law is for us to follow in order to meet His Righteous Standard? Do they not understand Christianity at all? Are they insulting Christ and what He has done and all of Christianity on purpose? Or do they just not know any better?

I'm gonna go with not knowing any better. Even though the scripture is pretty simple and easy to understand.
 

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An examination of the context however will reveal clearly that the Sabbath mentioned in the passage could not be a reference to the weekly Sabbath.
False. An unbiased reading of Colossians 2:16 will show that this is talking about not just "ceremonial Sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint (the Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek).

Look at Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly Sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,
or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or if you wish Sabbath days)"
CHRIST, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 an obvious connection in Paul's teaching is revealed:

"But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 flatly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Col. 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Col. 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Col. 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Obviously Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly Sabbath.

When God wants to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than name them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. SDA's argue that the Sabbath Day of Colossians 2:16 is the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals". The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is so well established in the Old Testament, that Colossians 2:16 must refer to the weekly Sabbath.

Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly sabbath

1 Chronicles 23:31 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 2:4 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 8:13 - Yearly (annual feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 31:3 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Nehemiah 10:33 - Yearly (appointed times), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbaths)

Isaiah 1:13-14 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbath)

Ezekiel 45:17 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Ezek 46:1-11 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbath)

Hosea 2:11 - Yearly (festal assemblies), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Galatians 4:10 - years, months, days

Colossians 2:16 - festival, new moon, Sabbath day

Note that the weekly Sabbath was made long before Israel and before sin came into the world,whereas the feasts and associated Sabbaths were introduced because of sin and the need to atone for the same.[Jeremiah 7:21-23;Galatians 3:19:Genesis 2:1,2;Mark 2:27.]
Not true. Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the weekly Sabbath being observed before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

*Now if every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? *Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? *Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? *Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. *Why would God leave out the weekly Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

In regards to Mark 2:27, "the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath," this statement was in response to the accusation by the Pharisees that His disciples were breaking the law regarding resting on the Sabbath while going through some fields and plucking heads of grain (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5).

Jesus responded by giving an example from the Old Testament that David was once in need of food and was given consecrated bread that was only lawful for the priests to eat (1 Samuel 21:1-6). The bread had served a practical need for David and his followers, just as with Jesus and His disciples, the grain served a practical need. David and his men were not acting sinfully in eating the showbread, and neither were Jesus’ disciples acting sinfully in plucking heads of grain on the Sabbath. Jesus concludes, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27-28) Jesus' response to the accusing Pharisees contains two important teachings.

First, the Sabbath was intended to help people, not burden them. In contrast with the grueling daily work as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites were commanded to take a day of rest each week under the Mosaic Law. The Pharisees had turned the Sabbath into a burden, adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said. The disciples had not broken God’s law; they had only violated the Pharisees’ legalistic, interpretation of the law. Jesus reminded the Pharisees of the original intent of the Sabbath rest. Jesus statement does not teach that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, as you suppose.

Jesus said, "the Sabbath was made for man," not all mankind. When Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.

The Sabbath was not given to all the nations. It was given to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - "Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses." *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The Word of God makes it clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: "The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15).
 

preston39

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Well that's true.


And there is the common confusion.

No one meets His Righteous Standards by working at the law.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


How does a Christian even say that the law is for us to follow in order to meet His Righteous Standard? Do they not understand Christianity at all? Are they insulting Christ and what He has done and all of Christianity on purpose? Or do they just not know any better?

I'm gonna go with not knowing any better. Even though the scripture is pretty simple and easy to understand.
I don't know what you mean........working at the law.
We are to follow the law. That's righteousness.