Rev.13:12

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well if you are not going to even seem the least bit teachable and go and read the many that have already been given to you today and in the past then I am done trying to show you. You refuse every scripture and historical proof that aligns with the word of God to keep your own theology in tact.

You have been shown multiple times by me and others scriptures to read, but by your quick responses back shows that you didn't even take the time to clearly go over them. Because studying biblical prophecy is not a quick read to learn understanding as it takes time and devotion in the word of God to understand.

Every scripture? Where? I asked you multiple times now to confirm your doctrine of "antichrist" being a single man figure yet to come in the future by scripture but you cannot provide any because it is false doctrine.


And you teach me? LOL I have a Teacher, and a Master, and He is not carnally minded like your teachers. But you can't receive His testimony because new wine must be put into new wine skins.

 

[KennethC]

The beast and false prophet in Revelation 13 is not a world system or religious system.

We know this because it says both these individuals are cast by the Lord into the lake of fire, and it is not a system that gets cast there but people who lead or followed that system that will. Yet still it can not be everybody on earth at that time because the scriptures make it clear that some will still be living during the 1,000 year millennial reign. Then after those 1,000 years satan will be released and he will go out to deceive those on the earth.

 

[KennethC]

Every scripture? Where? I asked you multiple times now to confirm your doctrine of "antichrist" being a single man figure yet to come in the future by scripture but you cannot provide any because it is false doctrine.


And you teach me? LOL I have a Teacher, and a Master, and He is not carnally minded like your teachers. But you can't receive His testimony because new wine must be put into new wine skins.

Once again I provided a number of them to you that speak on a last end time figure and by your response you show that you did not go and read a one of them.

I am done speaking to you because you will not even go read what others have given you, as I have shown you multiple times scriptures and historical evidence that aligns with the bible to show the stance that I have been lead by the Holy Spirit to speak on aligns with His word.

You are the one who continues to make false baseless allegations without going and checking the scriptures and sources you were given. This is not the first time you have refused or did not even go to look at what was provided, and your responses show you haven't.

 

[KennethC]

Go and read some stuff and watch some sermons from Wally Shoebat as he will open your eyes to some biblical truth as he has some insight into the prophetic scriptures that nobody from the west can even comprehend as they have been blinded from western influence into the scriptures that should not be there.

 

[Is]

That is what the Protestant movement taught in trying to make the Pope the antichrist, however we must stick to what the bible clearly says and it shows that his seat will be in Pergamos which is in Turkey.

Here is where all 7 churches from Revelation are located as well.............

Also Mystery Babylon when we look into OT propehcy:

“The burden against Dumah” (Isaiah 21:11)
“The burden against Arabia” (Isaiah 21:13)
“All the glory of Kedar will fail” (Isaiah 21:16)
These are all in Arabia, which is destroyed by Iran “Elam” (Isaiah 21:2)

Mystery Babylon is Mecca, NOT Vatican - Walid Shoebat

All the churches mentioned in Rev. are very close to one another. There was Smyrna that had the synagogue of satan, Philadelphia also had the synagaoue of satan.


It's very likely satan's seat is a reference to the paganism in Pergamos. The city had a throne-like altar to the god Zeus, a temple to Asklepios (symbolized by a serpent), and various temples dedicated to the worship of the Roman emperor.

It was a hot bed of paganism.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Once again I provided a number of them to you that speak on a last end time figure and by your response you show that you did not go and read a one of them.

I am done speaking to you because you will not even go read what others have given you, as I have shown you multiple times scriptures and historical evidence that aligns with the bible to show the stance that I have been lead by the Holy Spirit to speak on aligns with His word.

You are the one who continues to make false baseless allegations without going and checking the scriptures and sources you were given. This is not the first time you have refused or did not even go to look at what was provided, and your responses show you haven't.

Once again, more talk but no scripture as usual. You have provided 0 scripture that supports your false doctrine that "antichrist" is a single man figure yet to come in the future. But I have provided many verses of scripture that proves antichrist is in fact a spirit that works in many deceivers and has already come into the world.


Your doctrine fails right from the start because it is not based on the words of God.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Go and read some stuff and watch some sermons from Wally Shoebat as he will open your eyes to some biblical truth as he has some insight into the prophetic scriptures that nobody from the west can even comprehend as they have been blinded from western influence into the scriptures that should not be there.

LOL Sorry, but I do not receive the doctrines of carnally minded men. But that explains why you believe and think the way you do, because you put your trust in Wally Shoebat, who is not the Master or the Holy Spirit that anoints the eyes so one can see. Here is my advice to you.....

Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

 

[biblicaltruth15]

antichrist is in fact a spirit that works in many deceivers and has already come into the world.

I was led here by the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths behind the mysteries concerning many Biblical prophesies. Therefore whenever a correct interpretation is presented here by a member or a guest, i will always say yes, in order to encourage them in expanding God`s knowledge. So my friend, you are correct on this one.

 

[valiant]

I was led here by the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths behind the mysteries concerning many Biblical prophesies. Therefore whenever a correct interpretation is presented here by a member or a guest, i will always say yes, in order to encourage them in expanding God`s knowledge. So my friend, you are correct on this one.

LOL we have a new prophet among us

 

[valiant]

So what do you say the "TWO HORNS" represent?

primarily they indicate that the beast is antichrist. Manifesting itself as a Lamb but speaking as a serpent (drakon). It represents, initially at least, the religion of Rome and emperor worship.

they may also represent two prominent priests in the days of Caligula, the one whose deadly wound was healed

 

[fredjames]

Does Rev.13:12 sound like a "One World religion"?

A 'one world leader' over every 'tribe' and 'people' and 'language' and 'nation', and all who dwell on earth will worship it, those whose name has not written before the foundation of this world in the 'Book of Life of the LAMB that was slain'.

Verse 12 is about the 'second beast', the 'false prophet' who exercises all authority of the 'first beast' in it's presence.

Christian will be 'martyred' or put in 'concentration labor camps', according to verse 10.

Therefore remember the Holocaust, the state of the Jews at that time, in the hand of Joseph Starlin and Adolf Hitler which resulted to 12 millions Jews killed and the time Christians in the hand of Emperor Nero.

GOD was 'silent' during these times, because the reason is in the ending sentence of verse 10, that;

"Here is a call for the endurance and the faith of the saints."

GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.

 

[biblicaltruth15]

the beast from the sea was the Roman empire. its seven head were seven emperors. the second beast, the antichrist, was the Roman religion.

Your understandings concerning the beast from the sea is absolutely correct. Now, concerning the second beast, (the two-horned beast), if you also called that an "antichrist, i would say you are correct as well because "antichrist" can be apply to anyone or any authority against Jesus Christ. But according to your understanding above, concerning the identity of the second beast (the two horned beast), sorry to say but, you are not correct.

It`s true that this "two horned beast was of the Romans and had very much religion interest in its agenda but, it is not the Roman Religion. The Roman Religion is the "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH" which is the "VATICAN" and which is the "IMAGE OF THE BEAST" in Revelation 13:14-15. And notice that it was the "TWO-HORNED BEAST" who ordered its subjects to erect this "IMAGE" in promoting the first beast------the "SEVEN-HEADED BEAST". (the original Roman Empire before the division) And also notice that the "TWO-HORNED BEAST" was granted to give life to the "IMAGE" it helped erected.

Thus, the "TWO-HORNED BEAST" was the "WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE" and the "EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE" as a result of the division of the original Roman Empire. Prophetically, "HORNS" represent "Kingdoms" or "Kings" or symbols of "Authorities", depending on the matter. (Daniel 8:20-22) So in this case, the two horns on this beast represented a dual power which was the "DIVIDED ROMAN EMPIRE".

 

[biblicaltruth15]

Verse 12 is about the 'second beast', the 'false prophet' who exercises all authority of the 'first beast' in it's presence.

Yes, it was about the second beast but the ´FALSE PROPHET` pointed particularly to the Eastern Empire as it is understood historically that it was Constantine who established the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[biblicaltruth15]

When studying end times biblical prophecies you have to learn to discern between the two, and use Jewish customs and traditions to understand what was being referred to when written.

With the above statement, you are right.

 

[biblicaltruth15]

If Rome is the sixth according to John, and supposedly comes back as the seventh, then what do we do with the eighth?

Sorry but, John never said anywhere that "Rome was the "sixth" and not to talk about the "seventh"! No! Perhaps you misunderstood it. The sixth identity you are talking about in Revelation 17:10, (one is) refered to a King (Emperor) in the Roman Empire.

 

[biblicaltruth15]

The beast and false prophet in Revelation 13 is not a world system or religious system.

We know this because it says both these individuals are cast by the Lord into the lake of fire, and it is not a system that gets cast there but people who lead or followed that system that will.

The "TWO-HORNED BEAST" and the "FALSE PROPHET" of Revelation 13 were once a Roman World System. The "FALSE PROPHET" refered to one of its two horns which was the "EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE" for its involvement with the establishment and promotion of the ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINES through the VATICAN. (false doctrines)

Symbolically and prophetically, a "System" can also be cast into "the lake of fire" and not just Sinners. In other words, it meant a state of non existence, a state of passed away, which is exactly the condition of the Roman Empire today (Revelation 20:14-15) Just trying to make you see and understand that "THE LAKE OF FIRE" is simply a STATE OF NON EXISTENCE and it can be applied to everything under the sun.

 

[biblicaltruth15]

primarily they indicate that the beast is antichrist. Manifesting itself as a Lamb but speaking as a serpent (drakon). It represents, initially at least, the religion of Rome and emperor worship.

they may also represent two prominent priests in the days of Caligula, the one whose deadly wound was healed

Yes, the "Two Horns" were also antichrist in the sense that they all supported and promoted false doctrines. Though they intelligently presented themselves before the people, claiming Jesus true representatives but were not. (Matthew 24:5) But they were not priests in Caligula`s reign. These Two Horns were the Western and Eastern Roman Empire. Do some more research and you will understand its true.

Please, another point of correction. The mortal or deadly wound in Revelation 13:3 is not literal. Prophetically, "MORTALLY WOUNDED" in this verse refers to "WARFARE". This was the WAR OF THE ROMAN REPUBLIC between Octavian (Augustus) and Cleopatra of Egypt, assisted by Mark Antony.

 

[valiant]

Yes, the "Two Horns" were also antichrist in the sense that they all supported and promoted false doctrines. Though they intelligently presented themselves before the people, claiming Jesus true representatives but were not. (Matthew 24:5) But they were not priests in Caligula`s reign. These Two Horns were the Western and Eastern Roman Empire. Do some more research and you will understand its true.

Please, another point of correction. The mortal or deadly wound in Revelation 13:3 is not literal. Prophetically, "MORTALLY WOUNDED" in this verse refers to "WARFARE". This was the WAR OF THE ROMAN REPUBLIC between Octavian (Augustus) and Cleopatra of Egypt, assisted by Mark Antony.

well to my mind a beast who is like a drakon but has two horns like a LAMB is imitating the Lamb in a religious role. So I will stick with it representing emperor worship and Roma worship.

 

[Is]

This gives me some encouragement - Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This gives me some encouragement - Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb

That's right, people get too caught up in trying to figure out a certain time period, or a certain kingdom, or even searching for an imaginary man figure yet to come, but they are missing the simplicity of the big picture. Like I said before, how does the whole world worship the Devil? By doing the works and the lusts of their father the Devil=receiving his red "mark" which is of his spirit and sin nature working in them.

Revelation 13:4 "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:..." (power of death)


Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Only God's chosen and elect will not be deceived, but the rest of the world has been, and will be deceived by all the lies of his prophets, spoken by his spirit, even from the father of lies.