Rev 6:1&2 The white horseman,

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Jackson123

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why would the rider on the white horse be Antichrist and the other three riders not be?

in the text, each of the horsemen are associated with a living creature, in sequence, the first to the fourth. does that fit in with the idea that the first horseman is the Antichrist? how?
I believe because the real Christ Will riding white horse, and antichrist is fake Christ. Fake money must look like real money.
 
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It is my belief that the anti-christ will come and claim to be the promised Messiah and he will deceive many many people.. This will be the basis of the great deception spoken of in prophecy.. So he will go out and conquer many and people will follow him because of his victories but the true elect will not be deceived and will reject him and for this they will be persecuted and beheaded.. I believe many of the anti-christs followers will believe they are doing God service by killing us..
yes I do not disagree. when we say anti-Christ do we mean false prophet?
 
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I believe because the real Christ Will riding white horse, and antichrist is fake Christ. Fake money must look like real money.
True but there has to be a wolf in there somewhere, where in scripture does a lie look just like the truth?
 

Jackson123

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True but there has to be a wolf in there somewhere, where in scripture does a lie look just like the truth?
I think It common sense If you make fake money and not like real money, No body buy It.
 

Nehemiah6

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yes I do not disagree. when we say anti-Christ do we mean false prophet?
The Anti-Christ is a FALSE CHRIST. The ultimate false Christ.

His companion will be the False Prophet. And both will be extraordinary miracle workers so that the whole world will be dazzled with their signs, and lying wonders, and miracles.
 
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yeah LOL

7 A merchant! In his hand are scales of deceit, he loved to oppress."

no the black horseman is not "God the Father"

scales of deceit are not in His hand and He does not love to oppress...

Psalms 145:16-17,16 Opening Your hand and satisfying The desire of all that live."17 יהוה is righteous in all His ways, And lovingly-committed in all His works."

Proverbs 14:31, He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker, But he who esteems Him shows favour to the needy."
ok, the fourth horseman has been around since the fall of man but the three who are unnamed definitely don't show up until the tribulation?
 

Shamah

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ok, the fourth horseman has been around since the fall of man but the three who are unnamed definitely don't show up until the tribulation?
I never said this, never even hinted at it.
 

Jackson123

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so anti-Christ exactly like Christ? only people who now their horses can tell the difference?
Not his horse, but bible say you know the tree by their fruit.

The bible give us clue, the coming of real Christ follow by peace

This white horse follow by trouble.
 

Adstar

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yes I do not disagree. when we say anti-Christ do we mean false prophet?
No... The false prophet will be a religous figure who will support the anti-christ who is the beast..

Revelation 19 KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Both the beast ( the anti-christ) and the false prophet are men..
 

Ahwatukee

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ok, the fourth horseman has been around since the fall of man but the three who are unnamed definitely don't show up until the tribulation?
Hello Jackson,

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments is how God is going to carry out the long prophesied "day of the Lord." It is the time of God's wrath which will begin once the church has been removed from the earth according to the Lord's promise found in John 14:1-3, I Thes.4:13-18 and I Cor.15:51-53.

These plagues of wrath are to take place in conjunction with that last seven years which was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem (Dan.9:24), with the last seven initiated by the 1st seal rider on the white horse which is symbolically representing the antichrist (Dan.9:27). The 1st seal rider on the white horse is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse revealed in Rev.19:11-21, which is the Lord and a detailed account of His return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.

The Lord said that it would be the last generation in which all of these signs will take place, with the 7th bowl completing God's wrath.

Anti-Christ or Pseudo Christ, is defined as "in place of or against, as can be seen below:

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Short Definition: antichrist
Definition: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

HELPS Word-studies
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antíxristos (from 473 /antí, "opposite to, in place of" and 5547 /Xristós, "Christ") – properly, opposite to Christ; someone acting in place of (against) Christ; "Antichrist."

Below is a comparison of the two riders on the white horses:


First Seal Rider on the White Horse of Rev.6:1-2:

· Holds a bow
· Was given a crown
· Rides out as a conqueror bent on conquest


The Lord as Rider on the White Horse of Rev.19:11-21:



· Rider is called Faithful and True

· With justice He judges and makes war

· His eyes are like blazing fire

· On his head are many crowns

· Has a name written on him that no one knows but He himself

· Is dressed in a robe dipped in blood

· His name is the Word of God

· Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations

· He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty

· On his robe and on his thigh the name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS
 

Ahwatukee

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No... The false prophet will be a religous figure who will support the anti-christ who is the beast..

Revelation 19 KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Both the beast ( the anti-christ) and the false prophet are men..
Well said Adstar. We also know that the antichrist is a man because Paul refers to him as "the man of lawlessness" and regarding the mark scripture states that "his number is the number of a man."

I personally believe that the antichrist is obviously that first beast and I believe that one of the future popes will play the part of the false prophet. I also believe that that angel of the Abyss mentioned in Rev.9:14 is the beast, who after he comes up out of the Abyss at the sounding of the 5th trumpet, that he will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist.
 

Adstar

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Well said Adstar. We also know that the antichrist is a man because Paul refers to him as "the man of lawlessness" and regarding the mark scripture states that "his number is the number of a man."

I personally believe that the antichrist is obviously that first beast and I believe that one of the future popes will play the part of the false prophet. I also believe that that angel of the Abyss mentioned in Rev.9:14 is the beast, who after he comes up out of the Abyss at the sounding of the 5th trumpet, that he will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist.
I see the beasts as being both an empire and the one who rules it.. The beast in Revelation that has the 10 horns is an empire that is ruled over by a coalition of 10 nations with 10 rulers.. Later a little horn a small nation and it's leader will rise up and this ruler will take direct control over 3 of the other horns/ ruling nations and will become the leader of the entire beast empire.. The beast in the Book of Revelation is also described in the book of Daniel.. This small horn leader will be the beast/ anti christ..

Daniel 7 KJV
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7 KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire on the day of the second coming of the LORD Jesus Christ..
 

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It doesn't have to be a person, just focus on what is happening or what he does. Same thing with antichrist- he is the spirit of lying that makes people forget about God. We should watch out for the lie and not some person.
 

Jackson123

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I Google the origin meaning of antichrist

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The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"
As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".
It could be someone who bears the actual name, "Antichrist".
It could be someone who falsely claims to be Christ.
It could be a false Christ, promoted by others, in place of the real one.
It could be someone who falsely claims authority to speak for and exercise the authority of the real Christ.
Less obviously, but nevertheless equally valid, it could describe a religion with the outward form of Christianity, but using the Bible and the name of the real Jesus, to disguise a Christ whose teachings and standards are quite different to those of the real one. Such a Christ would also be, really, a false Christ and those who preached about him would be false prophets.

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So the antichrist is false Christ.
Islam do not believe that Jesus is God,

That is why I do not believe the anti Christ from islam.

Why islam pretend to be Jesus when he do not believe Jesus is God.

Pretend to be Jesus mean pretend to be God. And he doesn't believe Jesus is God
 
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I see in chapter 13 the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth (false prophet), where do you see this anti-Christ.
are you talking about the false prophet?
 
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I trust in Scripture, authenticaed Scripture of proven prophets of YHWH, that have undergone and passed the tests of Deuteronomy and of Yahshua... I would not form a doctrine based off lyrics from a song.
actually it was (take it easy) not (peaceful easy feeling) but I guess it doesn't matter
 

Nehemiah6

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We should watch out for the lie and not some person.
You are concocting your own theology. "The Beast" is a person, not merely an ideology.
 

Jackson123

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I see in chapter 13 the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth (false prophet), where do you see this anti-Christ.
are you talking about the false prophet?
I believe the first beast is the antichrist, because rev 13 say all people worship him.
Mean all people believe he is God/Christ.