Revelation 20:1-10 discussion

[zone]

Romans 10:18
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

~

Acts 1
The Ascension
6So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” 9And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

Acts 1:22
beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."

Acts 2:1
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.

Acts 2:4
All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.

Acts 4:33
With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.

Acts 8:1
And Saul was there, giving approval to his death. On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.

Acts 8:5
Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Mark 16:15
He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.

Luke 24:48
You are witnesses of these things.

John 15:27
And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

Colossians 1:23
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

~

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

 

[Bookends]

but he DID explain it:

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Notice it Paul calls it the last trumpet,, not the seventh trumpet. hmmm

 

[zone]

'Dispensationalists believe that the Jews are God’s special Chosen People who do NOT need to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved, but instead will be saved purely by their race.'

I believe in periods of time known as dispensations that characterize specifics dealings with Israel and man and later in terms of the church through the grace of God based on the sacrifice of Christ accomplished and made manifest in time. If you want to call me a dispensationalist, go right ahead, but I do not believe in the above statement, nor do I practice it. I also believe that some of the men of the past and present who have been accused of this do not believe in it as well and have been grossly misunderstood and misrepresented by opportunist who are not honest and want to prove a point by using others in doing so and for their dishonesty they should not be trusted like some on this site have done in the past and are doing it in the present.

blah blah blah blah

 

[zone]

Isaiah 35
5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
and the ears of the deaf unstopped;
6 then shall the lame man leap like a deer,
and the tongue of the mute sing for joy.
For waters break forth in the wilderness,
and streams in the desert;
7 the burning sand shall become a pool,
and the thirsty ground springs of water;
in the haunt of jackals, where they lie down,
the grass shall become reeds and rushes.

Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners

Luke 7
18The disciples of John reported all these things to him. And John, 19calling two of his disciples to him, sent them to the Lord, saying, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” 20And when the men had come to him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to you, saying, ‘Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?’” 21In that hour he healed many people of diseases and plagues and evil spirits, and on many who were blind he bestowed sight. 22And he answered them, “Go and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, leperse are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the poor have good news preached to them. 23And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

when EG?

You know when, why ask? it is not when it is what Are they ressurected? or delivered? big difference.

right....we are made alive now, passed from death to life - new birth. could be called the first resurrection - no second death.

right...new glorified bodies....at The Resurrection on The Last Day.

but is that really 1,000 years AFTER the Second Advent?

or is it at The Second Advent?

That is the question isn't it?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.


when did this happen? Were you beheaded for your testimony of Christ? When did you reign with him for 1000 years. will you even be alive for 1000 years? how come there is this first ressurection , then no one else will live for 1000 years. and who will be ressurected after the thousand?


your not saying this first is our new birth in Christ are you? how can that be, when the ones who are made alive or ressurected here have been killed by men, not born dead in adam.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG...i'm not making it a salvation issue

i know you're not of scofield and darby.

they did make it a salvation issue. darby said words to the effect that "the jew shall never enter the christian church"

eternally 2 peoples.

scofield spliced up Redemptive History, which made room for what we see today: jews not to be evangelized. there's a separate PLAN for them. we know this is the worst form of antisemitism there is.

God said clearly in Joshua He gave them the Land, not one thing He promised failed to come to pass.

Jesus Came. The King. He was and is King. for everyone. jews included.

i have no idea what kind of God would blind an entire nation of people for 2000+ years, including those who are born and brought up in a corrupted version of the Oral Traditions which had nothing to do with Moses and so can not save them at all.......keeping them receiving the Gospel by faith, all the while planning to give them some soil in the Middle East as a loose end needing to be tied up.

not adding up....at all.

love zone.

God did not blind them, They blinded themselves. Christ became as scripture says a stone of stumbling to them, because they would not humble themselves and seek truth, but thought they already had it.

 

[zone]

God did not blind them, They blinded themselves. Christ became as scripture says a stone of stumbling to them, because they would not humble themselves and seek truth, but thought they already had it.

okay.
but not all blinded themselves.
the elect obtained what they were seeking for (by faith)....and the gentiles (by faith) were grafted in, right?
did God not keep His Promises?

so what is a future 1,000 years really needed for?
ttyl....love ya bud
zone

 

[Red33]

blah blah blah blah

You have a sour and bitter taste in your mouth, I wonder why that is? Does is reflect upon your own heart and the bitterness that you have toward those that love the word, having made good and noteworthy contributions and who recognize the greatness of God's dealings with men that reveal Him as the God of all grace and Father of all mercy. Most of these men have deceased in the grace of God but their work goes on, not perfect, but edifying non-the-less. Perhaps if you had learned early not to speak or think evil of these men you would have a different melody in your heart that could appreciate their love for God and their heart to give us insight into the things of God. I purpose not to think evil, even of myself, because that is what the love of God is like, love thinks no evil. Maybe one day you will let the love of God penetrate that bitterness you have and God will be able to give you grace you have never been able to receive. It is always the goodness of God that leads us to repentance and a pure heart before God.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

but he DID explain it:

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? . . ." 1 Corinthians 6:2

"Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who . . . will bring to light the hidden things
of darkness. . . ." 1 Corinthians 4:5[/FONT]

The First Death -- Romans 6:

5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his
resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done
away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been freed
from sin.

Paul described the first death as a spiritual death in Ephesians 2:1-5:

2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you
followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in
those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our
sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when
we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved.


The First Resurrection -- Romans 6

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ
was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he
died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11 In the same way, count
yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

in Colossians 1:12-14,

“12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the
kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the
kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”

Paul continues with the first resurrection in Colossians 3:1-4:

1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated
at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and
your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will
appear with him in glory.

Then again In 1 Corinthians 15:22-24, Paul writes:

22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the
firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands
over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

Into the Kingdom:

In Col 1:12-13, Christian are brought into the kingdom:

12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the
kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the
kingdom of the Son he loves.

It is into this existing kingdom that we are called, according to Paul in 1 Thess 2:11-12:

For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, 12 encouraging,
comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.

The Christians to whom Hebrews was written were presently receiving the kingdom in Heb 12:28-29:

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship
God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our "God is a consuming fire."

Finally, according to Rev 1:5-6, Christ freed us from sins and made us to be a kingdom:

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and
priests to serve his God and Father — to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.



When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the
prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Matthew 24:15

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Good thread zone. Prompts a lot of important research and discussion.

Looks like Islam is onto it, and into it ...

Surah 22:47 “Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But God will not fail in His Promise.
Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.”

Surah 32:5 "He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth;
then shall it ascend to Him in a day/period the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.”

Just by way of Information:

The Arrivals pt 25 The Antichrist Dajjal is Here
​

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNMzTmyzgY[/video]

 

[zone]

You have a sour and bitter taste in your mouth, I wonder why that is? Does is reflect upon your own heart and the bitterness that you have toward those that love the word, having made good and noteworthy contributions and who recognize the greatness of God's dealings with men that reveal Him as the God of all grace and Father of all mercy. Most of these men have deceased in the grace of God but their work goes on, not perfect, but edifying non-the-less. Perhaps if you had learned early not to speak or think evil of these men you would have a different melody in your heart that could appreciate their love for God and their heart to give us insight into the things of God. I purpose not to think evil, even of myself, because that is what the love of God is like, love thinks no evil. Maybe one day you will let the love of God penetrate that bitterness you have and God will be able to give you grace you have never been able to receive. It is always the goodness of God that leads us to repentance and a pure heart before God.

 

[zone]

Looks like Islam is onto it, and into it ...

Surah 22:47 “Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But God will not fail in His Promise.
Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.”

Surah 32:5 "He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth;
then shall it ascend to Him in a day/period the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.”

hey DA.
it's very odd, isn't it all....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

okay.
but not all blinded themselves.
the elect obtained what they were seeking for (by faith)....and the gentiles (by faith) were grafted in, right?
did God not keep His Promises?

Why do we need to get so technical about it. As i said many gentiles in the OT were saved, even during the time of the law. The law never saved ANYONE nor did the covenant God made with abraham EVER SAVE ANYONE, if it was required, no one was saved before abraham right?

so what is a future 1,000 years really needed for?
ttyl....love ya bud
zone

You think I am going to question God on why he does things?

God said ABC is going to happen in time. He does not tell us why, nor does he need to. so I guess we are down to this.

If God said ABC is going to happen. then why do we want to believe God is only going to do A and B. and not c. and second. why would we question why God is going to do C, or why he needs to. It is not for us to question.

think about it. People were saved before Gods abrahamic covenant. Did God need to make this covenant so people can get saved? No. God did not have to make any covenant with the people of Israel (jacob) to save anyone, people would have been saved regardless. so is God reigning on earth for 1000 going to be any different? will it save more people? No. No more than the Abraham covenant did. so if God did one, why would we say he is not going to do another?

 

[zone]

okay EG.
nuff said.
i dunno how the subject got to The Law, but...anyways,

z

 

[zone]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? . . ." 1 Corinthians 6:2

"Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who . . . will bring to light the hidden things
of darkness. . . ." 1 Corinthians 4:5[/FONT]

The First Death -- Romans 6:

5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his
resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done
away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been freed
from sin.

Paul described the first death as a spiritual death in Ephesians 2:1-5:

2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you
followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in
those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our
sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when
we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved.


The First Resurrection -- Romans 6

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ
was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he
died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11 In the same way, count
yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

in Colossians 1:12-14,

“12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the
kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the
kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”

Paul continues with the first resurrection in Colossians 3:1-4:

1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated
at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and
your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will
appear with him in glory.

Then again In 1 Corinthians 15:22-24, Paul writes:

22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the
firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands
over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

Into the Kingdom:

In Col 1:12-13, Christian are brought into the kingdom:

12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the
kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the
kingdom of the Son he loves.

It is into this existing kingdom that we are called, according to Paul in 1 Thess 2:11-12:

For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, 12 encouraging,
comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.

The Christians to whom Hebrews was written were presently receiving the kingdom in Heb 12:28-29:

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship
God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our "God is a consuming fire."

Finally, according to Rev 1:5-6, Christ freed us from sins and made us to be a kingdom:

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and
priests to serve his God and Father — to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

YAY DA!

 

[webchatter]

In reading 11 pages here, I see Scripture given over & over showing that satan is "restrained" now & until the trib is over. Then Rev.20:1 shows satan is "BOUND" after the trib & through the millenium which starts at the Second Coming. Scripture was given, that after the millenium he is" loosed a little season" (prior to judgement day).
I have no idea WHY these facts cannot be understood & I saw nothing which refutes these Scriptural facts. Rev.20:4 shows that Christ will be reigning here on earth with those raptured.REv.19:11 -21 shows the Second coming of Christ WITH those raptured ,verse 14, & describes the battle of Armageddeon on earth, "smiting the nations".
Verse 5 proves there are 2 ressurections: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESSURECTION." 6= "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first ressurection..."
12= "AND I SAW THE DEAD, SMALL AND GREAT, STAND BEFORE GOD..." VERSE 13 also speaks of the dead being ressurrected for judgement day, these 2 verses are describing the 2nd ressurection=final judgement.
Is the "camp of the saints" in Rev.20:8 not on earth? This is proof the millenium is a literal , physical reign of Christ on earth. How is Gog & Magog going to battle "the breadth of the earth if not physically?
I have experienced all kinds of drama from preterists or partial preterists too, who won't allow futurists to discuss their beliefs on their own threads, ( not on this site yet), to the point where they ruin the thread, insult those who arn't amil or preterist,come in groups to make fun of & laugh at futurists etc. I have a dear friend who is a partial preterist & total Cavinist who is one of the nicest people on the planet too. So I don't lump all Calvinists ot preterists into a certain category, they are all different. But until I know a lot more preterists, I'd have to admit he is an exception among the other's attitudes I have encountered outside this site. Actually the preterist/Calvinist attitudes here are much better than I've seen on any other chat & have made my opinion of them raise to a much better level. Constant rudeness & anger is not a Christian attribute, so I did wonder if there was a connection between that & the belief system.
WHY this DECISION to keep a preterist view is of concern/importantance:Rev.22:7-19= 7-"...Blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book."
18-"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book".
19= "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life..."
Rev. 19:10- "...For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
So,imo, by saying the millenium is not going to happen literally as Christ's physical reign on earth, is TAKING AWAY from the book of Rev. & Jesus' prophecy & testimony.
I understand how one can think that some things are meant as symbolism, but nothing so far from Gen to Rev about Jesus has been symbolic.
I don't understand how preterists can say all these things about physical Jerusalem were literally fulfilled in 70 ad & that nothing about Jesus is going to be fulfilled literally. It seems an insult to Jesus & his previous physical fulfillments of all other prophecy.
I'm sure in a few years, to even more people, the Second Coming will be seen as being fulfilled "spiritually".I already have met some who think we are in heaven. lol
What prophecy of Jesus did He fulfill spiritually in the past, that had appeared was meant to be literal?

 

[peterT]

that's all very interesting and it sounds exciting, peter.
but where are the scriptures on it?

if it's there so clearly, can you just post (without cherry picking, or personal interpretation) ANY clear description of a thousand years?

how many times is it mentioned regarding Post Second Advent?

if it is such an unusal and different dispensation of time, and includes the Physically Present Glorified Lord on earth, with people actually being taught and saved - wouldn't it be CLEAR?

here's some on the mark....i see no one who takes it surviving. and i see a lake of fire mentioned immediately.

Revelation 14
9And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

You are asking people for actual scripture, Do you have any actual scripture, NO not one verse saying the devil is bound NOW and we are reigning on the earth with Christ as kings and priests NOW . NO

Do you have any actual scripture saying the devil is bound now, because we have shown scripture that he is loose and goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

I am open for suggestions who we rule over. As far as I can see the five foolish virgins don’t take the mark and don’t get in, so I think we rule over them. And the other people that are left that don’t take the mark of the beast, we rule over them I would think

We rule as kings and priests on the earth with Christ a 1000 years that’s what the Bible says. BUT he brings his rewards with him, the crowns of righteousness unto all them also that love his appearing.


Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


You don’t get to be kings and priests until after Jesus comes and give his rewards the crown of righteousness, then we can rule as kings and priests with Christ on the earth


8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

[peterT]

EG meet you someday in another thread.
This one isnt it. ty bro.

Abiding If you don’t like this thread try turning it around

And show us that we are reigning now with Christ as kings and priests on the earth, and that the devil is bound a 1000 years NOW

Because we have shown scripture that he is loose and goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour?

And that Jesus brings his rewards with him when he comes, the crown of righteousness.
You don’t get to be kings and priests and reign a 1000 years on the earth until Jesus hands out the rewards when he comes and gives us each our jobs.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

[Abiding]

Abiding If you don’t like this thread try turning it around

And show us that we are reigning now with Christ as kings and priests on the earth, and that the devil is bound a 1000 years NOW

Because we have shown scripture that he is loose and goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour?

And that Jesus brings his rewards with him when he comes, the crown of righteousness.
You don’t get to be kings and priests and reign a 1000 years on the earth until Jesus hands out the rewards when he comes and gives us each our jobs.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

I would Peter, but i dont think it would do any good.

 

[Red33]

I would Peter, but i dont think it would do any good.

That's because (2Tim 2:12, & Rev 5:10) have the verb 'reign' in the (future active indicative). These believers who are kings and priest will initiate the action of reigning with Christ in the future as a reality and statement of fact. Same in (Rom 5:17, Lk 1:33, Rev 11:15, 20:6, 22:5). This all happens in the future tense.

1Cor 4:8 (a little sarcasm)
8 [You behave as if] you are already filled and think you have enough [you are full and content, feeling no need of anything more]! Already you have become rich [in spiritual gifts and graces]! [Without any counsel or instruction from us, in your conceit], you have ascended your thrones and come into your kingdom without including us! And would that it were true and that you did reign, so that we might be sharing the kingdom with you!