Revelation 20:1-10 discussion

[Abiding]

Ok so we did !Cor 15 Pauls discourse on the timing of thing from then until All things are Handed to the Father.
All things including death "at His return"

Then some other facts in 2 Thess
The order is
1 falling away
2 man of sin revealed (lossed from being bound)
3 Poof no more Satan

Paul say Jesus will not return till #3 just like the end of rev20

Now Peter in says that we look forward to the end of the church age to eternity rev 21:

2 Peter 3:3-15
New International Version (NIV)
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[a]

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.


Ill come back later with exceprts from other apostles and Jesus
just to see if people are going to discuss the bible.......or their positions
because to say thats your interpretation will never hold up with the biblical evidence given
and theres plenty.

Bt the way im used to my posts being ignored, i understand

 

[peterT]

Matt 12:28-29

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

The strong man is not the devil being bound and sealed up for those 1000 years in a pit.

But we bind the strongman each day when needed in our ministry for the Lord, in each individual situation we find are selves in for the Lord, then we bind the strong man.

Just because the kingdom of God is come unto us, doesn’t mean the 1000 year reign with Christ his here.

The devil is not bound and shut up and sealed in a pit yet.

For here he is NOT being cast into a pit and shut up and sealed, but cast into the earth, and making war with them that keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And there he is walking about seeking whom he may devour

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

And I hope you have your armour on to protect you from the devil, because he is not yet shut up and sealed in a pit yet.

11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

How is he bound and shut up in a pit and sealed if he is loose

The devil is not bound and shut up in a pit and sealed, thus the 1000 years is not here yet

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How in the world can we test ALL things
if we dont test ALL things?

sorry, been a rough day, guess I am behind..lol

Yes we must test all things. as I have said before, I have spend over 20 years studying this subject. Prophesy and history are my favorite subjects. and I do not take this lightly. Also remember. I am not of the darby scofield mold. (although I was brought up in it) so people need to remove their scofield glasses before they can understand what I am saying or believe, if they don;t they will not get what I believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope cant be EG they cant all be saved if they were they would be part of th Church

they are part of the body of Christ, that is why they are saved, and are not destroyed by Christ at his return. so I do not understand your reasoning at all of rejecting what I said at all.

Jews that took this only literal approach to scripture, hmmm you know the story.

yep, they completely did not put 2 and 2 together, that the suffering servant must come first. becaise scripture never mentioned they were the same person. It never mentioned 2 comings. This Christ, who came as suffering servant to die for the sin of the people, they did not get, But it was never said messiah would do this.

I take both comings, and the results of both comings literally. they did not see the gap between the two.

w

ow i have to bite my tongue on this one brother. Maybe ill come back with a 5 page rebuttal not sure. As Johnny would say "this is just wild"

So he is not talking about salvation in 1 cor 15?? hmm I wonder..

Yikes...no comment.

again, take off your scofield glasses, and listen to what I am saying.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
King James Version (KJV)
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ at His coming

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered UPThe Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put allenemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is Death

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


How!!!!! can plain clear scripture be set aside for stories. This text alone
has to be shredded to have death, sin and war in a future kingdom where all enemies are not under His feel and where death still has sting. Which has clearly been said to happen BEFORE His coming. Read on



51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?this could not be said with the Kingdom being future.

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


Peter had an interesting eschatology also ill be back.

1st off, why are you starting at verse 23? why not start at verse 1 and get the contyext of the whole passage??

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
The Risen Christ, Our Hope

12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.


Here is the context. Thje ressurection of the dead, His argument is if Christ did not die, and then be raised by God. then their is no victory over death, and we are all pitiful because all we have is this life, then death. The context is THE GOSPEL. Which our faith is based on. Which I told you in an earlier reply.


paul continues.


20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. .



1. In adam all die. there is no victory over death in the flesh, for in the flesh we are dead
2. According to scripture, and the gospel. Christ came, Died, was buried, and was risen from the dead. Proving that the father accepted his payment for sin, and he is the firstfruits of those who will also be raised from the dead, All of those who were dead when paul wrote this. All who have died in Christ since he wrote it till today, and all who have already died at his coming. Will be resurrected. why?
3. Christ gained victory over death, Oh death where is your sting, where is your victory? Christ paid it in full



24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.”[a] But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.


first we have the ressurection, then we have his reign, then at the end, when all things have been subjected to him (still has not happened yet today for evil still abounds) then he will win the final victory (after his final victory over satan, when the last battle is won) then the last person will have died, and there will be no more death (except of course the second death to those who are not his)


Paul is talking about Christs victory over death due to the gospel. If Christ did not raise, we will not raise, and there will be no victory for us.

 

[Abiding]

Hey looky there EG answered me cool, busy tho but ill read later.
Ok i understand your not scoffield you EGfield thats great.
with deep european voice......"ill be back!"

 

[zone]

first we have the ressurection, then we have his reign

hi bud.
the 'first resurrection' is now.
Jesus is the Resurrection, He is the First Resurrection.
we who are born again are raised with Him in His resurrection.

this is the new birth. we died once, when we were buried with Him, and raised when the new man was raised.
we will suffer the first death - of these bodies, but not the second.
though the body dies, we will not - no second death.

the second death has no power over us, thanks be to Christ Jesus Our Lord

John 3
You Must Be Born Again
1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2This man came to Jesusa by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born againb he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.c 7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘Youd must be born again.’ 8The winde blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but youf do not receive our testimony. 12If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.g 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Ephesians 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus

Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

and so on.

the second death is what happens at the Resurrection of all the dead at the Last Day (anyone not saved by grace through faith unto regeneration, now....there's no future 1,000 years...that would make two resurrections of the dead, or even three).

Revelation 20:12-14
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

love zone

 

[zone]

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[zone]

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

this says to the Jew first.

did they not hear? could they not hear?

why did God need a Plan B - the Church?

He didn't. there is no Plan B.

Romans 9
God’s Sovereign Choice
1I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,a my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion,b but on God, who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

~

why is Paul so grieved if God has a Plan A He intends to go back to (either after some rapture of the Plan B church; or in a future millennium)?

 

[zone]

2 Thessalonians 2
1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for [that day will not come] until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessnessa is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

~

is there anything in here that says there will be a 1,000 year earthly reign after the Lord Returns?

what's the 1,000 years for?

anyone?

if someone could spell out just what happens during the 1,000 future reign, i might change my mind on it.

- who is in it
- what kind of bodies do they have?
- does Jesus return to a Third Temple unbelieving Talmudic jews build in Jerusalem?
- shouldn't Christians be building it?
- show me where we are told to build a Third temple.
- what are the bad guys doing during the millennium?
- are there any bad guys?
- how is satan able to rally Gog and Magog to go up against Jesus in Jerusalem?
- if the 1,000 years starts the second Jesus returns, how could anyone be deceived?
- couldn't there just be a perfect countdown 999 years til Judgment Day....998 years til Judgment Day...997 years til Judgment Day...
- could anyone show me where we have two great end-times battles: one before the Second Advent and one A Thousand years later?
- what is happening during that time?
- how are people saved?
- will there be animal sacrifices?
- can unsaved people get saved by laying their eyes on Jesus or do they need to hear the Gospel and receive Him by faith?
- will He be visible?
- do people get sick or die?
- are children born?

please post ANY scriptures on this.
because i don't see them.
AT ALL.

 

[nathan3]

The thousand years is to teach those that did not have a chance , to give them a fair one, chance. Before they go into the lake of fire. its fair. Those that were sick, or hurt or just confused. Christ will make sure they hear the real truth, before they are sentenced to a lake of fire.
That's the Lord's day, known as the one thousand years. And the first resurection for those that overcame the deception of the mark of the beast. The Dead ( spiritually because, they were decived, lived not again, meaning had not overcome and not received eturnal life; until the thousand years were over and Satan was loosed to test them. If they fail then, then they walk into the lake of fire. That's my basic understanding of what you posted there.

 

[peterT]

what's the 1,000 years for?

anyone?

if someone could spell out just what happens during the 1,000 future reign, i might change my mind on .

What’s the 1,000 years for? to live and reign with Christ as kings and priests.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

To reign with Christ as kings and priests over the people that did not make it at his coming, for instance the five foolish virgins that did not make it in, but got left behind

And over all the others that survive the great tribulation, that did not get caught having to take the mark of the beast

 

[zone]

That's the Lord's day, known as the one thousand years. And the first resurection for those that overcame the deception of the mark of the beast. The Dead ( spiritually because, they were decived, lived not again, meaning had not overcome, until the thousand years were over and Satan was loosed to test them. If they fail then, then they walk into the lake of fire. That's my basic understanding of what you posted there.

hi nathan.
thank you.
so people who have died come back to actual physical life and get a second chance?
how long do they live?

or is it just people who are spiritually dead when Jesus comes that get another chance because they were deceived?
do they get a different body?

what are the saved people doing at that time?
what kind of bodies do they have?
zone

 

[zone]

What’s the 1,000 years for? to live and reign with Christ as kings and priests.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

To reign with Christ as kings and priests over the people that did not make it at his coming, for instance the five foolish virgins that did not make it in, but got left behind

And over all the others that survive the great tribulation, that did not get caught having to take the mark of the beast

peter, could you show me the passages on people who escape the mark?
they get to go into the Kingdom with believers.
so the ones who aren't saved, but escaped the mark get a second chance?
why does it take 1,000 years?
what kind of bodies do they have?

 

[nathan3]

hi nathan.
thank you.
so people who have died come back to actual physical life and get a second chance?
how long do they live?

or is it just people who are spiritually dead when Jesus comes that get another chance because they were deceived?
do they get a different body?

what are the saved people doing at that time?
what kind of bodies do they have?
zone

Anyone that has died is not really dead. They return here to earth 1 thess teaches some. If you can grasp the real subject and follow it to its end. But The parable of the rich man and lazarus .The rich man is in heaven on the other side of the gulf it says. But he cant cross. So When Christ returns, I assume, that they will return to this earth to be taught by Christ for 1,000 years. They will live that long only if they do not over come at the end. If They overcome Satan at the end of that. then they live for ever with God. Its not a 2nd chance . It's just that many people dont have a chance now friend. Look around.

Yes different bodes that can last that 1000 years. Everyone is changed into a different body sinner or saint when Christ returns to this earth, If you have not changed into a different body and some one tells you there is Christ, or He is there, Believe Him not. Because for one your still in a flesh body. You can read of the different boides and the change in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, and the 1st thess if im not mistaken, it is taking about the change in bodies not rapture. Change in boides upon Christ return is the subject in 1st thess.

It has to be that the 1000 years is for those that took the mark too. Its deception they did not know better. But there will be those that overcome. But the Lord's day ( 1000 years ) will be a time of disapline and testing at the end of that. Now thats fair. after all what dose it take to kill your own child. So God is going the extra mile here for them at the end.

 

[zone]

Anyone that has died is not really dead. They return here to earth 1 thess teaches some. If you can grasp the real subject and follow it to its end. But The parable of the rich man and lazarus .The rich man is in heaven on the other side of the gulf it says. But he cant cross. So When Christ returns, I assume, that they will return to this earth to be taught by Christ for 1,000 years.

so, even though in the parable, Abraham told the man that no one would be returning form the dead to tell the Gospel (since they don't believe either Moses OR that Jesus rose from dead); they actually WILL be raised from the dead to be taught.

does that mean everyone who ever died will be raised for a second chance?

i need to see where that is actually written.
1 Thessalonians doesn't teach anybody returning to earth for a 1,000 year reign.
nowhere.

They will live that long only if they do not over come at the end. If They overcome Satan at the end of that. then they live for ever with God. Its not a 2nd chance . It's just that many people dont have a chance now friend. Look around.

i see.
so people who had a chance, but rejected it don't get to come back, but people who didn't have a chance do get a chance?

what about this:

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Yes different bodes that can last that 1000 years. Everyone is changed into a different body sinner or saint when Christ returns to this earth, If you have not changed into a different body and some one tells you there is Christ, or He is there, Believe Him not. Because for one your still in a flesh body. You can read of the different boides and the change in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, and the 1st thess if im not mistaken, it is taking about the change in bodies not rapture. Change in boides upon Christ return is the subject in 1st thess.

It has to be that the 1000 years is for those that took the mark too. Its deception they did not know better. But there will be those that overcome. But the Lord's day ( 1000 years ) will be a time of disapline and testing at the end of that. Now thats fair. after all what dose it take to kill your own child. So God is going the extra mile here for them at the end.

oh...this is Shepherd's Chapel's teaching, correct?

 

[nathan3]

so, even though in the parable, Abraham told the man that no one would be returning form the dead to tell the Gospel (since they don't believe either Moses OR that Jesus rose from dead); they actually WILL be raised from the dead to be taught.

does that mean everyone who ever died will be raised for a second chance?

i need to see where that is actually written.
1 Thessalonians doesn't teach anybody returning to earth for a 1,000 year reign.
nowhere.



i see.
so people who had a chance, but rejected it don't get to come back, but people who didn't have a chance do get a chance?

what about this:

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,



oh...this is Shepherd's Chapel's teaching, correct?

Your not understanding what your reading. Or understanding what Im saying either. Get a strong concordance and look up every word in those chapters I quoted and then you will see what it says.Also get yourself a Companion Bible that will help you brake down the subject, to show you what your reading. If you dont want to do that. Then I cant help you. and incorect its a Bible teaching and Christ teaching. I guess pray about it.

 

[zone]

Your not understanding what your reading. Get a strong concordance and look up every word in those chapters I quoted and then you will see what it says. If you dont want to do that. Then I cant help you. I guess pray about it.

i have a concordance.
this is Shepherd's Chapel doctrine.
so no, that won't work for me.
thanks anyways.

 

[zone]

2 Thessalonians 2
1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for [that day will not come] until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessnessa is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

~

is there anything in here that says there will be a 1,000 year earthly reign after the Lord Returns?

what's the 1,000 years for?

anyone?

if someone could spell out just what happens during the 1,000 future reign, i might change my mind on it.

- who is in it
- what kind of bodies do they have?
- does Jesus return to a Third Temple unbelieving Talmudic jews build in Jerusalem?
- shouldn't Christians be building it?
- show me where we are told to build a Third temple.
- what are the bad guys doing during the millennium?
- are there any bad guys?
- how is satan able to rally Gog and Magog to go up against Jesus in Jerusalem?
- if the 1,000 years starts the second Jesus returns, how could anyone be deceived?
- couldn't there just be a perfect countdown 999 years til Judgment Day....998 years til Judgment Day...997 years til Judgment Day...
- could anyone show me where we have two great end-times battles: one before the Second Advent and one A Thousand years later?
- what is happening during that time?
- how are people saved?
- will there be animal sacrifices?
- can unsaved people get saved by laying their eyes on Jesus or do they need to hear the Gospel and receive Him by faith?
- will He be visible?
- do people get sick or die?
- are children born?

please post ANY scriptures on this.
because i don't see them.
AT ALL.

anyone else?
scriptures on the actual literal 1,000 years?
anything?

 

[peterT]

peter, could you show me the passages on people who escape the mark?
they get to go into the Kingdom with believers.
so the ones who aren't saved, but escaped the mark get a second chance?
why does it take 1,000 years?
what kind of bodies do they have?

Not all take the mark of the beast, we didn’t.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The people that are left don’t get to go to the kingdom just us, they are still in the flesh; they don’t get new bodies just us.

He causes all to take the mark of the beast or be killed. But he has to catch us first.

And as the early church went underground so will we, and probably not just us but anybody that doesn’t like the antichrists system and doesn’t want to be killed and worship the image of the beast.

These are the people we rule over: and we shall reign on the earth as kings and priests.
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

We won’t be lining up to take the mark that’s for sure.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: