Revelation 20:1-10 discussion

[peterT]

Jesus put all His enemies under His foot when He tossed Satan and 1/3 of the angels out of Heaven. Because Jesus is in Heaven NOW on His throne NOW and the Earth is His footstool.

so when it states in Revelation that Satan was tossed out, then they are under His feet.




1260 days after Jesus ascension war broke out in Heaven and Satan and his angels were cast down and placed under Jesus feet.

Isaiah 66:1
Thus says the LORD: “Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest?

does anyone not believe that Jesus is reigning in His throne now?

or that Satan hasn't been tossed out of Heaven yet?

And how does one reign with Christ as kings and priests on the earth without are crown of righteousness YET?, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day.

We rule as kings and priests on the earth with Christ a 1000 years that’s what the Bible says. BUT he brings his rewards with him, the crowns of righteousness unto all them also that love his appearing.

If you are reign with Christ now then so are the 5 foolish virgins because you don’t know who is in, and who is out YET.

You don’t even know who are the kings, and who are the priests yet, you haven’t got your rewards or your crowns and you haven’t be allocated your or jobs YET and who dose what.

Do you have any actual scripture saying the devil is bound now, because we have shown scripture that he is loose and goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

And as for the devil being cast out into the earth that’s the last 1260 days he is cast out into the earth with his angels.

How is he cast into the earth if he has been chained, shut up, seal up in a bottomless pit from the death of Jesus or did Christians only start reining 1260 day after Jesus’s death, sorry I thought you boys said the kingdom of god is come unto you NOW not 1260 days later

He reigns in our hearts NOW and the kingdom of God is within, and the 1000 years hasn’t started yet, because the devil is still walking about and loose like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.


And we haven’t be rewarded with are crowns and allocated are jobs and who is the king and who is the priest yet. And he hasn’t separated us from the false Christians yet



1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.



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[Ariel82]

petert... have no clue where you get some of your ideas from....and don't really know how to even begin to address your statements because they are way off base with what i've said.

lumping people into one big group will just get you confused.

perhaps you should address people as individuals instead of a collective straw man you want to beat up on?

one thing that stands out is this statement:

And as for the devil being cast out into the earth that’s the last 1260 days he is cast out into the earth with his angels.

mmmm... you do know the context of the passages I quoted right? and the fact that Satan is bound after being cast out of heaven. the whole cast out of heaven event is placed before the Beast and the false prophet passages. which interestingly enough also lasts 1260 days. makes you wonder if the earthly events has something to do with the Heavenly battle that was fought.

anyway I'm going to talk to Abiding now....

 

[Ariel82]

No not quite yet. Refer to 1 Cor 15 there are still rebels and death.
But all will be at His coming.

wait, what?

ok you probably refer to this part than....

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.”[a] But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

hmmm...I admit the whole under the feet thing has more meaning then just tossing Satan out of Heaven.

However, it still says that Jesus is reigning now and putting all enemies under His feet. So I guess the cleansing of Heaven with His blood and the testimony of the saints was just the beginning.

just to be straight... this has already happened right?

Revelation 12

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

what about this verse: past, present, and/or future?



Revelation 14


13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me,[h] “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”

 

[Abiding]

wait, what?

ok you probably refer to this part than....



hmmm...I admit the whole under the feet thing has more meaning then just tossing Satan out of Heaven.

However, it still says that Jesus is reigning now and putting all enemies under His feet. So I guess the cleansing of Heaven with His blood and the testimony of the saints was just the beginning.

just to be straight... this has already happened right?




what about this verse: past, present, and/or future?








Revelation 14


13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me,[h] “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”

Hey! im thinking about 1 cor 15. This includes every rebel spirit and human
I almost wanted to do a thread on 1 Cor 15...it would debunk a few positions
and help rev 20 understanding. Ressurrection is key to interpretatiion i believe.
Give 1cor 15 a read. my fingers are lazy.

And youl see cant, cant have the 1000 year thing(future i mean after His return) after His return for reasons in that chapter.
id write more but this is a rev20 thread.....

 

[peterT]

petert... have no clue where you get some of your ideas from....and don't really know how to even begin to address your statements because they are way off base with what i've said.

lumping people into one big group will just get you confused.

perhaps you should address people as individuals instead of a collective straw man you want to beat up on?

one thing that stands out is this statement:


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Mmm
must have read it wrong because I did put you in the same box as them that think the 1000 years is here already

And I ant beating up on you mate? And never said anything personal

 

[GreenNnice]

Hey! im thinking about 1 cor 15. This includes every rebel spirit and human
I almost wanted to do a thread on 1 Cor 15...it would debunk a few positions
and help rev 20 understanding. Ressurrection is key to interpretatiion i believe.
Give 1cor 15 a read. my fingers are lazy.

And youl see cant, cant have the 1000 year thing(future i mean after His return) after His return for reasons in that chapter.
id write more but this is a rev20 thread.....

Go for it, squirrel, what do you see...I'm in my bunk, I'll jump down after your '1000 points of light'

1 Cor. 15 The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.”c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I die every day—I mean that, brothers—just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”d
33Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 34Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”e; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall wef bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory/

Keep it short, so not to derail, abider.

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[PatientSpirit]

Mmm
must have read it wrong because I did put you in the same box as them that think the 1000 years is here already

And I ant beating up on you mate? And never said anything personal

If His kingdom is established forever, then what is this 1000 year reign? Christians will say that the world along with themselves are/were all spiritually dead and that by the quickening power of His Spirit, they are born again! If they had ALREADY passed from death to life, IS THIS NOT THE FIRST RESURRECTION? The rest of the dead (those not having the first fruits) will not live again until their day with the Lord has ended.

 

[Ariel82]

Mmm
must have read it wrong because I did put you in the same box as them that think the 1000 years is here already

And I ant beating up on you mate? And never said anything personal

nah... too hyper to stay in any box.

prayed about the whole thing... God basically told me to focus on other things and if I needed to know more He would reveal it.. .I think my brain just can't take it in all at once, so I tackle bits and pieces but the puzzle just doesn't fit together like everyone keeps telling me it should.

oh well maybe one day God will grant me the wisdom to understand all of Revelation and which parts are fulfilled and which are yet to come.

you beating me up? lol

nope but the straw man could use some help.

so past, present, future?

Revelation 22
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[GreenNnice]

The Thousand Years
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Satan’s Doom
7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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The key line to me of this passage is: The rest of the dead did not come to life until after the thousand years were ended. And, before 'that,' intriguing, indeed, is the two 'because' words in the construction of verse 4.

'The rest of the dead' verse 5, is in parentheses, no less. Confusing. At first, it makes me think that the dead who rule with Christ are the martyrs but, then, there is the other conjunction '
add' with another 'because' so it is 'because of the testimony of Jesus,' and, it is 'because of the word of God.'

One is for a act of persecution they get to rule, but the other????

for 'the word of God,' it does not say 'for preaching the word of God,' just because of 'the word of God.' Hmmmm..... the Rapture happens, so, those in the ground come up out of the ground at the time of Jesus' Second Coming. And, those on the earth too get caught up in the sky, this is interesting....


Not sure what to think of it all at the moment, good discussion, zoneoh, never really analyzed this before, the Lord leads

 

[GreenNnice]

nah... too hyper to stay in any box.

prayed about the whole thing... God basically told me to focus on other things and if I needed to know more He would reveal it.. .I think my brain just can't take it in all at once, so I tackle bits and pieces but the puzzle just doesn't fit together like everyone keeps telling me it should.

oh well maybe one day God will grant me the wisdom to understand all of Revelation and which parts are fulfilled and which are yet to come.

you beating me up? lol

nope but the straw man could use some help.

so past, present, future?

God gives us all 'great' wisdom, at times, His Spirit in us must REALLY be believed, not that we are not saved, just saying, He is with us, right. We accept His life for us, His dreams that He shows us, His visions, His pains, His situations, His love through it all given us as we use the faith He's given us, to follow Him.

 

[Ariel82]

see this is what I don't get.

lets go back to Revelation 19... when does Jesus actually touch down on the Earth in those passages?

It talks about the destruction of Babylon, the armies of Heaven, the casting of the false prophet and the Beast into the eternal fire, but nothing about Jesus establishing a kingdom ON Earth.

Revelation 19


11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had[e] a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,[f] followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp[g] sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.


17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,[h] 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free[i] and slave, both small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

did anyone else notice that the marriage supper dinner is the flesh of dead men?


"the flesh of all people, free[i] and slave, both small and great"

not really what most people teach as “the supper of the great God"

perhaps that is only for the birds?

mmm...going to read the book of Revelation over again...

7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. 9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’

 

[GreenNnice]

see this is what I don't get.

lets go back to Revelation 19... when does Jesus actually touch down on the Earth in those passages?

It talks about the destruction of Babylon, the armies of Heaven, the casting of the false prophet and the Beast into the eternal fire, but nothing about Jesus establishing a kingdom ON Earth.


did anyone else notice that the marriage supper dinner is the flesh of dead men?


"the flesh of all people, free[i] and slave, both small and great"

not really what most people teach as “the supper of the great God"

perhaps that is only for the birds?

mmm...going to read the book of Revelation over again...

Good study with it reading is 'Things To Come' It's an older book but it's timeless knowledge of different eschatology beliefs, I've got the book but not read it, it's available off ebay ever so often for $10-20. It's a vast volume of knowledge. The Lord leads, just mentioning it to you, milady, anariel, the 'new earth' is Rev. 20, not thinking that's what's asked but if it is

I read your pm stuff, very good, I will comment, the Lord leads , brilliantly dreamed up

 

[RickShafer]

Ariel Attack,
THAT particular supper is for the birds.
Rev. 18:2, 19:17.
The marriage supper of the Lamb doesn't include roadkill.

 

[RickShafer]

I have much to say on this issue, but the continual stabbing of each other makes the cause seem worthless.

 

[pickles]

I'm absolutely exhausted with this newspaper exegesis of Bible.

This too will pass us without being a fulfillment of said verses
Just like every other past speculation has.

For a long time Chernobyl was the 'worm wood' of revelation. Now it's a comet?


You'd think folks would learn.

I agree stilly, there has been lots of foolishness of late.
But this one was not found out by news or the ussual methods, in fact little is being said.
It is interesting though the 7 yr timing, being within this generation, and called wormwood.
I m not worried about it, but more fasinated, as we were given certain events to look to.
But in the end what will be will be, Im good with consitraiting on today.

Just thought it might be an interesting topic, as this is the first thing I have seen that actually fits in with what we are told of in revelations.
The rest has simply been proaganda.
And we all know the best way satan can hide something is to cause doubt and make people insencitive to it.

God bless
pickles

 

[Red33]

I have much to say on this issue, but the continual stabbing of each other makes the cause seem worthless.

Every time you get to the root of these issues it happens. In this case there are those that believed in their heart the truth and then turned and believed in something else. When they are continually reminded of this is irks them and they sooner of later react. I don't play pussy foot with them and if they want to think evil of another then so be it, but not without being called on it. I am very secure in the truth and grace has established my heart in that truth. There is this certain mocking spirit that characterizes these individuals that just won't allow for certain kinds of understanding to enter back into their thinking.

Some think they have matured beyond this childish fantasy that involves the catching away of the church and for them to go back and believe they would have to forsake all of their understanding and that would mean they were living in some kind of hypocrisy and they can't have that because they considerer themselves just too intelligent for that to happen. You can't win them over, God has to put a grip on them and reveal some things that are in their heart making them this way. Again, do as you see fit but God is going to shake all this up sooner or later.

 

[Red33]

Red to me your typically everything you call others. Ive never called you names.
Also Yes Jesus is sitting on Davids throne just as prophecy promised. Read Acts. Peter taught this right after
Pentecost. So really your the one with scriptural problems. Its not a personal problem between you and me.
I didnt write the book. And i think it reads pretty clear.

Someone needs to rough you up out of your complacency, have any suggestions for yourself?

 

[Bookends]

I do not see this
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The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
And dust shall be the serpent’s food. (Satan bound, but still eating dust, hmm)
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,” (the gates of hades shall not prevail against the Church)
Says the Lord.

and again, you are symbolically interpreting is, when I literally interpret it to mean what it is saying.

The holy mountain is Jerusalem. not a church. I will get to this more later when I have more time.

It's all explained right here EG. The holy mountain in physical Israel is only but an anti-type of the eternal state, heaven.

Revelation 21:10-21
The New Jerusalem

9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me[f] and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”[g] 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names[i] of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal. 17 Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel. 18 The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.

 

[Bookends]

Someone needs to rough you up out of your complacency, have any suggestions for yourself?

Just looking at your Avatar should be enough.

 

[RickShafer]

To explore it takes more than a post, or two... or three.. or four.
What ensues is arguing.
Rev. 13 and Rev. 20 say two totally opposite things concerning Satan's power.
Post millenialists and a-millenialists have to believe this is the same time period.
Plus, the assertion that chilioi is not a number but an "uncertain affinity" is only half the truth.
For every greek lexicon you can find (worth it's salt), says it can mean either.
The truth is it can mean either. But knowing, (and proving) what the Spirit meant is time exhaustive.
Because no one really can prove it one way or the other.
What's the use? It wind's up being so many drips from a faucet.
There are better ways to spend one's time than to argue about the millenium.