Revelation 3:5

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dcontroversal

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I knew you couldn't do it. You know what I'm talking about. I made an appeal to you by the Spirit of God. You failed.

Until you can prove to me you are a believer I will continue to regard you as an unbeliever. You prove it over and over. You are one of the worst examples of how 'Christians' treat other Christians.
I knew you couldn't do it. You know what I'm talking about. I made an appeal to you by the Spirit of God. You failed.

Until you can prove to me you are a believer I will continue to regard you as an unbeliever. You prove it over and over. You are one of the worst examples of how 'Christians' treat other Christians.
If your going to quote me...quote me....here I will help....

Yep.....he gonna set us all straight.....HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH one of the biggest jokes ever told by past members.....

FOLKS.....do not buy this dime store, street organ playing dancing monkey farce that salvation can be lost or forfeit....the bible does not contradict itself and the following scriptural references must be swept under the rug, rejected, denied, twisted, refused, embellished etc. to teach or believe a loseable salvation.....

a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.
 
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If your going to quote me...quote me....here I will help....

Yep.....he gonna set us all straight.....HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH one of the biggest jokes ever told by past members.....
Pure unadulterated pride.

You show over and over that you do not belong to Christ. You say you do but your behavior denies the power of Christ.

"5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. "-2 Timothy 3:5

Until I see Jesus doing your believing for you, as you say he does, I have no choice but to regard you as an unbeliever 'cause I ain't seeing it.
 

SaintMichaels

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Pure unadulterated pride.

You show over and over that you do not belong to Christ. You say you do but your behavior denies the power of Christ.

"5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. "-2 Timothy 3:5

Until I see Jesus doing your believing for you, as you say he does, I have no choice but to regard you as an unbeliever 'cause I ain't seeing it.
UNBELIEVABLE!
 

Lafftur

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"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. " (Revelation 3:5)

So we can lose our salvation, can't we? Well, first off in this verse Jesus makes a promise. He says "will not blot out", not "might not blot out". It is a PROMISE to EVERYBODY that overcomes. Of course, those who do not overcome will be blot out. But who are the overcomers?

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. " (1 John 5:4)

If you are born again, you are an overcomer!

And who is in the Book of Life? When do you get included in there? When you get saved, correct? Well, let's see...

"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. " (Psalm 139:16)

So we all were written there before the foundation of the world. God bless

What I'm about to say could definitely upset the apple cart, but I shall say it anyway! LOL!

True, all that call upon the Name of Jesus, believe in Him in their hearts and confess their sins can and will be forgiven and saved. They shall not perish.

However, not all believers are The Bride, just like not all navy military are the Navy Seals. The Bride is the elect lady. She will endure, go through more suffering, and know more 'secrets' than other believers. Much more will be required of her. The seven letters are for The Bride - she must overcome.

So many are saved and will NOT lose their salvation, however, to be in The Bride - we must overcome - walk through all the seven letters.
 

SaintMichaels

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No doubt...he states that, but denies Christ, keeps himself saved and believes/peddles a Jesus that is inept, weak, cannot keep his promises and needs help keeping one saved....Mr. Twisty.....!
Pray God's calling reaches those who are behind the wall. My advice, don't feed them the attention they hope to receive from those who are in Christ. Talking like that which is unbelievable indicates in my view that jargon hopes to invite like foolishness in rebuttal.

I've been a member of a Christian forum for years that has rules of conduct for membership posted. As well as the doctrine of faith the owner and volunteers who serve the community concur with. Had someone been so bold as that there they'd have been banned. And their offensive remarks edited. Maybe here it is not the case because the lesson in those rules Paul made for the churches he founded.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
 

SaintMichaels

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I reached out to him in the Spirit of Christ and he rejected it.
Ralph, Jesus never once spit the hatred you did toward a brother. Don't put on Jesus as what made you talk to someone like that.
You didn't have in mind the things of God when you said that. Yours was the other one's leading.
 

Ahwatukee

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What I'm about to say could definitely upset the apple cart, but I shall say it anyway! LOL!

True, all that call upon the Name of Jesus, believe in Him in their hearts and confess their sins can and will be forgiven and saved. They shall not perish.

However, not all believers are The Bride, just like not all navy military are the Navy Seals. The Bride is the elect lady. She will endure, go through more suffering, and know more 'secrets' than other believers. Much more will be required of her. The seven letters are for The Bride - she must overcome.

So many are saved and will NOT lose their salvation, however, to be in The Bride - we must overcome - walk through all the seven letters.
Hello Laffur,

The bride is another designation for the entire church. Every true believer makes up the bride. There is no division with some being the bride and others just being saved. What scriptures did you get this information from? Below is what John the Baptist said regarding the bride and the bridegroom:

"A dispute arose between John’s disciples and a certain Jew over the issue of ceremonial washing. So John’s disciples came to him and said, “Look, Rabbi, the One who was with you beyond the Jordan, the One you testified about—He is baptizing, and everyone is going to Him.”

John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of Him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom.

Therefore, everyone who is going to Jesus is the bride, with Jesus being the Bridegroom.
 
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Ralph, Jesus never once spit the hatred you did toward a brother. Don't put on Jesus as what made you talk to someone like that.
You didn't have in mind the things of God when you said that. Yours was the other one's leading.
You're being very partial IMO. Look at the abuse dcon and others throw at Ralph if you are going to criticize Ralph.
 
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Ralph, Jesus never once spit the hatred you did toward a brother. Don't put on Jesus as what made you talk to someone like that.
You didn't have in mind the things of God when you said that. Yours was the other one's leading.
He has been doing it since he arrived, With a few of his buddys, many who are no longer here.

Been quiet since i placed in him my prayer bin.
 

Lafftur

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Hello Laffur,

The bride is another designation for the entire church. Every true believer makes up the bride. There is no division with some being the bride and others just being saved. What scriptures did you get this information from? Below is what John the Baptist said regarding the bride and the bridegroom:

"A dispute arose between John’s disciples and a certain Jew over the issue of ceremonial washing. So John’s disciples came to him and said, “Look, Rabbi, the One who was with you beyond the Jordan, the One you testified about—He is baptizing, and everyone is going to Him.”

John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of Him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom.

Therefore, everyone who is going to Jesus is the bride, with Jesus being the Bridegroom.
Hello Ahwatukee, :)

I know it is taught that all believers are the Bride of Christ, however, I see it differently.

We know John the Baptist was a believer, however, he referred to himself as the 'friend' of the bridegroom. Also, there were 70 disciples (believers) that Jesus sent out, yet He chose 12 out of the 70; and 3 out of the 12 - for special missions with Him - Peter, James and John.

It appears to me there are levels of intimacy with Jesus as the Bridegroom. All believe, yet Jesus choose only a few for special intimacy. This leads me to question if all believers are the Bride.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hello Ahwatukee, :)

I know it is taught that all believers are the Bride of Christ, however, I see it differently.

We know John the Baptist was a believer, however, he referred to himself as the 'friend' of the bridegroom. Also, there were 70 disciples (believers) that Jesus sent out, yet He chose 12 out of the 70; and 3 out of the 12 - for special missions with Him - Peter, James and John. It appears to me there are levels of intimacy with Jesus as the Bridegroom. All believe, yet Jesus choose only a few for special intimacy. This leads me to question if all believers are the Bride.
I wasn't taking about John the Baptist, but those who were going to Jesus which is what prompted John to say "the bride belongs to the Bridegroom" ergo, everyone who was going to Jesus. Also, just because Peter, John and James were an inner circle, does not support that the bride is only made up of select believers. That's why I said, where are your scriptures to support this? Consider the following scripture:

"Let us rejoice and celebrate and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. She was given clothing of fine linen, linen bright and pure." For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints."

Regarding the above and according to what you are claiming, not every believer will receive their fine linen at the wedding of the Lamb. For the scripture above has only the bride at the wedding of the Lamb. However, the scripture states that the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints, which would include all believers.

Please provide scriptures that specifically divide common believers from the bride. The entire church is the bride and will be present at the wedding of the Lamb to receive her fine linen. Revelation 19:14 also shows the bride following Christ out of heaven riding on white horses and wearing that same fine linen. This is will be the entire church, for scripture states that when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, with him will be His "called, chosen and faithful followers."

"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” - Rev.17:14
 
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Ralph, Jesus never once spit the hatred you did toward a brother. Don't put on Jesus as what made you talk to someone like that.
You didn't have in mind the things of God when you said that. Yours was the other one's leading.
He was continually abusing me about something another person had said. I finally got sick of it and I reminded him that another person had said what he was harassing me about and I asked politely and kindly if we could, in the Spirit of Jesus, let it go. He ignored me and as everybody can see is continuing to harass me. Jesus said to treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector; that is, regard them as an unbeliever (Matthew 18:15-17). Besides not knowing the situation, you apparently did not know Jesus said to do that.
 
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claysmithr

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He was continually abusing me about something another person had said. I finally got sick of it and I reminded him that another person had said what he was harassing me about and I asked politely and kindly if we could, in the Spirit of Jesus, let it go. He ignored me and as everybody can see is continuing to harass me. Jesus said to treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector; that is, regard them as an unbeliever (Matthew 18:15-17). Besides not knowing the situation, you apparently did not know Jesus said to do that.
Um Matthew 18:15-17 is about Church discipline, nothing to do with internet forums, and unless they are obviously a false teacher, saying they are an unbeliever is bad form.