Revelation 3:5

[dcontroversal]

Paul said if the saved Galatians become slaves of a gospel of works for justification they will not be heirs of the Holy Spirit and the promise of glorification. We can follow his argument in the letter he wrote to them and see that he is telling them they will not receive the inheritance if they stop believing in Christ for justification:


The Galatians are turning away from the gospel of Christ for justification and turning toward a false gospel of justification through works of the law:
6 "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7which is really not another"-Galatians 2:6


He tells them even we Jews know that a person can't be justified by works of the law and can only be justified through faith in Christ:
16 "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we (Jews) have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law"-Galatians 2:16


Here we see that the Galatians did in fact get saved and received the Spirit. He's talking to saved people who are turning away from justification by faith in Christ to justification through works of the law. This is NOT about people who were never saved:
3 "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh (trying to earn justification through perfect law keeping)?"-Galatians 3:3


He points out that the blessing given to Abraham was given through a promise (not law), and that the promise is fulfilled in the giving of the Holy Spirit:
13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us... 14 ...in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."-Galatians 3:13-14


Paul equates the promised blessing, the Holy Spirit, to the inheritance. The promised inheritance, given through faith in Christ is the Holy Spirit/salvation/eternal life.
18 "For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise."-Galatians 3:18


He reaffirms that it is those who belong to Christ who are heirs of the promise, the Holy Spirit/salvation:
27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.


They are known to God in salvation, but want to be slaves to justification through the works of the law:
9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years."-Galatians 4:9-10


Paul tells them slaves of the law are not heirs. Even the law they want to be under says that:
21Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”



Once again he reaffirms their status as saved, free children of the New Covenant and exhorts them to resist the slavery of justification by the law. Which will cause them to no longer be heirs of the promises made to Abraham (the Holy Spirit/salvation/eternal life):
31 "So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.
1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery."-Galatians 4:31,5:1


If they rely on the works of the law for justification (epitomized in circumcision) they lose the efficacy of Christ in justification:
2 "Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you."-Galatians 5:2


The person who seeks to be justified by works of the law becomes severed from Christ and from the grace of justification through faith:
4 "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."-Galatians 5:4


The hope of glorification comes through the Spirit, by faith, but as he has told them they lose the promised inheritance of the Spirit if they become slaves to the law for justification:
5 "For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness."-Galatians 5:5


There it is, folks. You lose the grace of justification in Christ, and the Holy Spirit in salvation/eternal life if you fall away from faith in Christ. It's as plain as day for all of us to read if you'll read it with open eyes and an honest and open heart and not through the prejudice of a 'once saved always saved' doctrine.

None of what you said above teaches one loses salvation and or the justification that has been imputed by faith....again that is your religion speaking....not the truth. Nothing but fluff from a religionist.....

 

[dcontroversal]

The bible clearly teaches that sons can be, and were, disinherited. The firstborns of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all disinherited. Only those of faith inherit the promises.

Nice try NO dice and false....

I suggest you study the word IRREVOCABLE and be honest with the truth.

ir·rev·o·ca·ble
əˈrevəkəb(ə)l/
adjective

1. not able to be changed, reversed, or recovered; final.
   "an irrevocable step"
   synonyms:irreversible, unalterable, unchangeable, immutable, final, binding, permanent, carved in stone;
   peremptory
   "an irrevocable commitment"

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nice try NO dice and false....

I suggest you study the word IRREVOCABLE and be honest with the truth.

ir·rev·o·ca·ble
əˈrevəkəb(ə)l/
adjective

1. not able to be changed, reversed, or recovered; final.
   "an irrevocable step"
   synonyms:irreversible, unalterable, unchangeable, immutable, final, binding, permanent, carved in stone;
   peremptory
   "an irrevocable commitment"

Inheritance is not irrevocable. Are you denying that Cain, Ishmael, Esau and Reuben didn't lose their rights of the firstborn? Plenty of examples in the bible.

And the sons of Reuben the first-born of Israel (for he was the first-born; but because of his going up to his father’s couch, his father gave his blessing to his son Joseph, the son of Israel; and he was not reckoned as first-born; 1 Chronicles 5:1​

 

[dcontroversal]

Inheritance is not irrevocable. Are you denying that Cain, Ishmael, Esau and Reuben didn't lose their rights of the firstborn? Plenty of examples in the bible.

And the sons of Reuben the first-born of Israel (for he was the first-born; but because of his going up to his father’s couch, his father gave his blessing to his son Joseph, the son of Israel; and he was not reckoned as first-born; 1 Chronicles 5:1​

Cain was LOST and identified as a false teacher who peddle his works
Ismael was the result of SIN and never afforded the rights of inheritance under the blessing given to Abraham
Esau God hated because he sold his birthright for a bowl of beans
And prove Reuben was a saved man.....which you cannot do

And for the record.......I have said numerous times that one's inheritance can be embellished and or squandered based upon the faithfulness of service which HAS nothing to so with the security of one's salvation.....

the GIFT is IRREVOCABLE

 

[Ralph-]

None of what you said above teaches one loses salvation and or the justification that has been imputed by faith....again that is your religion speaking....not the truth. Nothing but fluff from a religionist.....

Don't just say I'm wrong. Go through each passage I posted and show us they do not really mean what they say.

 

[Ralph-]

I have said numerous times that one's inheritance can be embellished and or squandered based upon the faithfulness of service which HAS nothing to so with the security of one's salvation.....

Paul said the Galatians will lose the promise of the inheritance, the Holy Spirit, if they fall away from faith inChrist for justification. You can't remain saved if you do not still have the Holy Spirit of promise. If you lose the inheritance fulfilled in the giving of the Holy Spirit you lose salvation.

the GIFT is IRREVOCABLE

In context, the gift and calling to Israel being irrevocable (Romans 11:29) has nothing to do with believers not being able to lose salvation. It has everything to do with God keeping his promise to the nation of Israel even though they rejected the Messiah. Paul, a believing Jew who possess the promise, is proof of that. The promise God made to Abraham concerning his descendants has not been, and can never be, revoked. The question is which descendants of Abraham will believe and receive the promised inheritance.

Anybody can read Romans 11 and plainly see that is what Paul means when he says the gifts and calling to Israel are without repentance. But you do have to have an honest and open heart and get rid of the prejudice of a predetermined 'once saved always saved' doctrine to see what he plainly says.

The prejudice of an indoctrination is like blinders on the eyes that make people think there is no knowledge or truth beyond what they can see in the narrow view of their blinders. And so they call the narrow and incomplete picture they see in front of them the truth and the only truth.

 

[dcontroversal]

Paul said the Galatians will lose the promise of the inheritance, the Holy Spirit, if they fall away from faith inChrist for justification. You can't remain saved if you do not still have the Holy Spirit of promise. If you lose the inheritance fulfilled in the giving of the Holy Spirit you lose salvation.




In context, the gift and calling to Israel being irrevocable (Romans 11:29) has nothing to do with believers not being able to lose salvation. It has everything to do with God keeping his promise to the nation of Israel even though they rejected the Messiah. Paul, a believing Jew who possess the promise, is proof of that. The promise God made to Abraham concerning his descendants has not been, and can never be, revoked. The question is which descendants of Abraham will believe and receive the promised inheritance.

Anybody can read Romans 11 and plainly see that is what Paul means when he says the gifts and calling to Israel are without repentance. But you do have to have an honest and open heart and get rid of the prejudice of a predetermined 'once saved always saved' doctrine to see what he plainly says.

The prejudice of an indoctrination is like blinders on the eyes that make people think there is no knowledge or truth beyond what they can see in the narrow view of their blinders. And so they call the narrow and incomplete picture they see in front of them the truth and the only truth.

Wrong again.....more religion...no where does it save they will lose their salvation and or have the Holy spirit yanked from them....your religion is false...end of story.....

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Definite article "THE" GIFTS.....<---salvation is ONE of those GIFTS of GOD and NOT of works lest a man like you should boast.....

 

[Ralph-]

Wrong again.....more religion...no where does it save they will lose their salvation and or have the Holy spirit yanked from them....your religion is false...end of story.....

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Definite article "THE" GIFTS.....<---salvation is ONE of those GIFTS of GOD and NOT of works lest a man like you should boast.....

Still no explanation of your doctrine? You're still just going to say I'm wrong and that's all? Are you not able to take the very passages I posted and show us they don't really mean what they say and instead just say I'm wrong?

 

[dcontroversal]

Still no explanation of your doctrine? You're still just going to say I'm wrong and that's all? Are you not able to take the very passages I posted and show us they don't really mean what they say and instead just say I'm wrong?

No...it is simple...your track record in numerous threads prove that it does no good to lay scripture bare before you, because ALL you do is reject truth, context, the promises, power of Christ, verbiage, verb tense etc. and fall back on your go to points out of context to prove something the bible does not promote....

You have yet to show anything in context out of Galatians that proves the saved lose their salvation.........even though you erroneously attribute inheritance to salvation and then try to say one can lose salvation by losing inheritance..........at the end of the day....until you lose your false religion you will never see nor acknowledge the truth.....just like the Pharisee of old....cannot see the forest because of the trees of religion.

 

[Ralph-]

You have yet to show anything in context out of Galatians that proves the saved lose their salvation.........even though you erroneously attribute inheritance to salvation and then try to say one can lose salvation by losing inheritance..........at the end of the day....until you lose your false religion you will never see nor acknowledge the truth.....just like the Pharisee of old....cannot see the forest because of the trees of religion.

Then put what I shared in context and show that what Paul said doesn't really mean what he said.

I showed you that he said the promise of the inheritance is the Holy Spirit. And Paul said you can not be an heir of the inheritance if you fall away from faith in Christ. That means you lose the Holy Spirit by falling away from Christ.

Now you show us in Galatians where the promise of the inheritance is NOT the Holy Spirit and that they get to keep the Holy Spirit and still be saved even though they fall away from faith in Christ. Remember, it is your doctrine that says they remain saved even though they are abandoning faith in Christ for justification. Show us that in Galatians. Show us what I shared does not say what I said it says. Don't just tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Zmouth]

Good day to you!

To be born again, is to receive Christ as Lord and Savior. Therefore, unless an individual receives him, then he cannot be born again. That is all that means. It is the equivalent to "whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son does not have life." Therefore, anyone without the Son will not see the kingdom of God.

Since the members who were initially asked choose not to response to the question then there is no sense in trying to draw from a well without water then I will just conclude with a comment regarding your claim that anyone without the Son will not see the Kingdom of God.

While I would agree with the precept that unless one receives the Spirit of truth, then he cannot come to the knowledge of the truth since it is written except a man be born again the he cannot see the kingdom of God. Then of course those who haven't receive the Spirit of truth are going to be believe that they are going to see the kingdom of God, the reason being it is hard to see the truth when they haven't heard the Spirit, "Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day."

"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: ..."
1 Tim 6:16: Deut 29:4

If we stay within the context of what is being spoken of in Matt.7:15-19, the fruits, which are bad, being of the sinful nature, are the unrighteous actions of the false prophets by which we can identify them. For regarding these false prophets Jesus finished with, "Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions." The fruits of the sinful nature are obvious:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, context is very important. In such the fruit of the Spirit are the words a man speaks, whether they be of truth or not. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Matt 10:20

What Jesus said here in Luke 9:27 is one of the many misinterpreted scriptures in the word of God. Below is the entire scripture:

"But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.” About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white."

In the scripture above, first Jesus said, "some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God. Then the scripture continues with "About eight days after Jesus said this," which links what Jesus previously said connecting it with the information which follows, that being that He took Peter, John and James up on a mountain. These then are those who "would not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God. Then as Jesus was praying, His clothes became radiantly white and His face changed, which was Him appearing in His glorified state. This is what Jesus meant by them seeing the kingdom of God i.e. Jesus in His glorified state. Below is the same event recorded in the other gospels:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” - Matt.16:28

"Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.” - Mark 9:1

"But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.” - Luke 9:27

Of course the word of truth would be the same yesterday, today and forever then when you see the kingdom of God then I perceive you will believe that which is written, "... for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

I hope that you find this information beneficial

Always.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. " (Revelation 3:5)

So we can lose our salvation, can't we? Well, first off in this verse Jesus makes a promise. He says "will not blot out", not "might not blot out". It is a PROMISE to EVERYBODY that overcomes. Of course, those who do not overcome will be blot out. But who are the overcomers?

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. " (1 John 5:4)

If you are born again, you are an overcomer!

And who is in the Book of Life? When do you get included in there? When you get saved, correct? Well, let's see...

"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. " (Psalm 139:16)

So we all were written there before the foundation of the world. God bless

How would you to live in peace if you talk yourself into living in fear of losing your salvation?
How can your will be stronger than the God who knew you by name before the world came to exist?

Revelation 3

 

[Zmouth]

How would you to live in peace if you talk yourself into living in fear of losing your salvation?

Easy, by doing that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD. But walking in truth isn't talking oneself into living in fear.

How can your will be stronger than the God who knew you by name before the world came to exist?

Revelation 3

That is a question one might ask themself who claim that once they believe they are saved that they are no longer subject to the will of God.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Easy, by doing that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD. But walking in truth isn't talking oneself into living in fear.

Every word uttered that is to insist we must work to stay saved else God can due to our actions strip us of his gift at will, is talking oneself into living in fear of that.

That is a question one might ask themself who claim that once they believe they are saved that they are no longer subject to the will of God.

That isn't a question the saints in Christ would ask because they do not believe it and would never claim it true.
It is however a great question to recognize if it is ever uttered as that of a personal belief. Because it then demonstrates such a questioner is not informed by the indwelling spirit of God for and to whom they are subject.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Then put what I shared in context and show that what Paul said doesn't really mean what he said.

I showed you that he said the promise of the inheritance is the Holy Spirit. And Paul said you can not be an heir of the inheritance if you fall away from faith in Christ. That means you lose the Holy Spirit by falling away from Christ.

Now you show us in Galatians where the promise of the inheritance is NOT the Holy Spirit and that they get to keep the Holy Spirit and still be saved even though they fall away from faith in Christ. Remember, it is your doctrine that says they remain saved even though they are abandoning faith in Christ for justification. Show us that in Galatians. Show us what I shared does not say what I said it says. Don't just tell me I'm wrong.

The onus is on that which insists God does not keep his promise. Wrongly stating what the Apostle who was beheaded for speaking truth to power stated in God's name does not make Paul answer to you.

 

[Zmouth]

Every word uttered that is to insist we must work to stay saved else God can due to our actions strip us of his gift at will, is talking oneself into living in fear of that.

That is your own misguided perception.

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4

So if he that cometh to God must believe he is, (a God of truth), and he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him, then remember whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.

That isn't a question the saints in Christ would ask because they do not believe it and would never claim it true. It is however a great question to recognize if it is ever uttered as that of a personal belief. Because it then demonstrates such a questioner is not informed by the indwelling spirit of God for and to whom they are subject.

Well, I wouldn't refer to the Holy Ghost as the spirit of God, maybe Spirit of God, but not spirit liken to a mortal man.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

That is your own misguided perception.

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4

So if he that cometh to God must believe he is, (a God of truth), and he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him, then remember whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.

Blashemy of the holy spirit is a dangerous thing. Maybe become aware of that when insisting Jesus didn't die for the purpose he was sent to the world for. This will help you to avoid knowledge of the truth as you continue to insist on works salvation. Which is blasphemy.

Well, I wouldn't refer to the Holy Ghost as the spirit of God

The Bible does.

maybe Spirit of God, but not spirit liken to a mortal man.

God is spirit. God is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the helper that indwells us the moment we believe.

 

[garee]

Paul said the Galatians will lose the promise of the inheritance, the Holy Spirit, if they fall away from faith inChrist for justification. You can't remain saved if you do not still have the Holy Spirit of promise. If you lose the inheritance fulfilled in the giving of the Holy Spirit you lose salvation.

Where do you find that in Galatians?

When Christian sin by denying the faith of Christ which come from hearing God , called the hearing of faith in Galatians 3, In Ephesians we are informed he cannot deny himself as to he has paid the wage in full.

Will he deny those in whom their sins has been atoned for?

 

[Zmouth]

God is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the helper that indwells us the moment we believe.

The moment you believed or the moment you sopped?

And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. John 13:27

So who was Jesus speaking to, the Holy Spirit that dwelt in him from the moment he believed, or Satan which entered into him the moment you believed?

 

[OstrichSmiling]

The moment you believed or the moment you sopped?

And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. John 13:27

So who was Jesus speaking to, the Holy Spirit that dwelt in him from the moment he believed, or Satan which entered into him the moment you believed?

I wish to understand your post please. "sop" ? Thank you.