Dave,
Mat 24 is pretty clear. The Abomination of Desolation is seen, Those in Judea are told to flee, then there will be Great Tribulation.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation...[SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee ... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation...
Seems pretty obvious that the Great Tribulation is focused on Israel. You don't see Jesus warning anyone else to flee or take cover, do you? Many OT prophets discuss a massive invasion of Israel in the last days. 1+1=2.
Great Tribulation is the Wrath of God coming against the entire World, not just the middle east. What happens there is is one of many signs to let the rest of the World KNOW that the Tribulations is about to begin. You quote Matt 24, but do you hear it?
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
What Jesus describes in Matthew 24 is in answer to the question they presented to Him, what is the sign of His coming, AND the end of the World. It is not just in Israel. Now what Happen in Israel is a sign to the beginning of the End of the World, the 7 year Tribulation Period.
DiscipleDave said
It is not the Wrath of God that is poured out upon them but the King of the North will come against them and utterly destroy them. Since when is the King of the North the Wrath of God?
Where do I say that the King of North is the Wrath of God? I never said that. The King of the North's invasion of Israel is the Great Tribulation. The Wrath of God comes after this and it is poured out upon those who came up against Israel.
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PlainWord
After this happens, there is a sense of peace among the conquering Muslims. They think with the Jews defeated, they will have peace and safety then
POW!! The Wrath of God is poured out upon them.
As i said, it is NOT the wrath of God that is poured out on them, it is the King of the North that comes against them and utterly destroys them.
What 7 year Tribulation period??? Show me any scripture that tells us the Great Tribulation lasts 7 years.
i was told by God that it was a 7 year Tribulation Period that would wipe the wicked off the Earth, and create the New Heaven and the New Earth that Jesus will reign over for a thousand years. What is it to me if you don't believe God speaks to people any more, like He has ALWAYS done.
FYI, Daniel's 70 weeks are over. They ended at week 69.5 at the cross. Messiah the Prince was cut off half way into the 70th week. No massive 2,000 year gap is taught in Daniel. This was invented by people who couldn't figure it out. Everything that was to be accomplished during the 70 weeks happened.
i do not care about the interpretations of men concerning the 70th week or what have you, i merely believe what God has told me, that is all.
Are you one of those who reads the below from Mat 24 and think that the ones taken are the righteous to a rapture? Please tell me you don't think that!!!!
i believe God, and the Word of God that says that He does. It is men who say that he doesn't, it is men who interpret the Word of God to fit into their own misguided truth. Tell me this NEW doctrine that you teach, that it is not the righteous who are Raptured, Was this taught EVER in the past? Ever? Has it not been taught from the foundations of the world to this present day that Jesus is coming back to gather up the elect, the Church, the Saints, the chosen, the few? Yes it has, Is it not TRUE that it is only during these last days that there is a NEW doctrine, a NEW belief that has popped up saying the righteous are NOT Raptured up? Jesus never taught that nonsense. The Disciples never taught that nonsense, Prophets have never taught that nonsense, the World of God does not teach that nonsense. But those who are in the last days generation do teach that nonsense, they are blind listening to the master deceiver. What do you think YOU know something, a TRUTH, that has never been taught before in the past? really? Seriously? You think you know the TRUTH, when EVERYONE in the past never did? It is only the last days generation that are spewing out NEW doctrines on a daily basis.
People do not listen to anyone who teaches anything contrary to Scriptures, they are deceived, thinking they know the TRUTH, but are blind, and will fall in the ditch, thinking they see, they will not know what hit them, because they refuse to hear the TRUTH when it is presented to them, they freely choose to believe the doctrines they hold on to, as if they have some kind of divine Truth that others do not have, they are deceived and their destination is the ditch.
Mat 24: [SUP]40 [/SUP]Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
Who is taken and who is left??? You are getting this backwards. Look at Luke's version to see WHERE they are taken. Hint: It ain't heaven.
Who said they go to Heaven? i have never said they go to Heaven. When the Church is Raptured we DO NOT go to Heaven, we go to be where ever Jesus is, and He will be HERE on EARTH setting up His Kingdom to reign ON EARTH out of the New City Jerusalem. Scriptures does not teach they go to Heaven, we go to be with Jesus in the Holy City.
Luk 17: [SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.[SUP]"[/SUP]
[SUP] 37 [/SUP]And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
Do you know where the eagles will be gathered? Give Rev 19 a read.
lol, and this tells your mind that it is the wicked that are raised? lol
As for calling me blind, are you familiar with the Wheat and Tares parable?
Where did i call YOU blind? i would not call you blind. Now i would generalize and say things like, anyone who teaches this or that is blind, but i never called you blind.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
We have a "field" with two groups "growing together," right? The Tares (bad ones) are "burned," then the wheat is gathered. Here it is again:[/quote]
Do you not even hear what the verse is plainly teaching. the Tares (bad ones) are DESTROYED. The Wheat (good ones) are SAVED. Hello, are you not understanding this?
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40 [/SUP]Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
[SUP]42 [/SUP]and will cast them into the furnace of fire.
Here is where you are in error, you think this is a description of the RAPTURE itself, this is YOUR interpretation and it is wrong. Notice Jesus said "it will be at the end of this age" He did not say as you are thinking that this is at the Rapture. The angels that He sends out to gather up the wicked are the Angels that are in the 7 year Tribulation Period, the Angels with the 7 Trumpets are sent by Jesus. The 7 Angels with vials are sent by Jesus. And other Angels He sends as well. You do error in believing Jesus is talking about the Rapture, when He clearly said He is talking about the end of the age, NOT the Rapture like you are assuming, which is wrong.
Tares are gathered and burned. Luke tells us they are gathered to the "Body" where the Eagles are. Do you know where the eagles will be waiting? See if you know who is gathered here:
Rev 16:[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Rev 19: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God...[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
The "Scavenging Birds" which eagles are, eat the flesh of those tares who were gathered.
TRUE, but NOT at the RAPTURE, like you are falsely teaching. The Tares will be burned. The Tares are the wicked, and during the 7 year Tribulation Period the Tares will burn, the birds will eat their flesh, eagles included. Animals that use to eat only plants will become carnivores (meat eaters). The Angels that Jesus sends during the 7 year Tribulation Period will gather up the wicked and they will burn. This has nothing to do with the Rapture, only YOU have made it about the Rapture, which leads people to a false doctrine that you teach. You have turned the parable of the Wheat and the Tares into a Rapture scenario, when the parable and of the Wheat and the Tares is about What God is going to do at the end of the age, NOT at the Rapture like you teach. The Wheat are taken up in the Rapture, and put up in the barn (Holy City) the Tares are being burned 3 1/2 years prior to the Wheat being harvested.
After all of this happens, when the Lord comes, He will gather us to Him. So you have two gatherings. The Tares are gathered first. I hope this helps.
You teach there are two gatherings done by JESUS, Jesus does not teach that, that is what YOU teach. Jesus said the Angels would gather up the Tares. You teach that Jesus gathers them up, which is contrary to Scriptures and is a false doctrine. Jesus plainly says His Angels are sent to gather up the Tares. Jesus gathers up the Wheat. You do error not understanding this Truth.
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