Revelation Timeline

PlainWord · Mar 16, 2016

No Ahwatukee,

That is not what this means. The Mansions/Rooms/Dwelling places are already built. Jesus starts with this fact: "In My Father’s house are many dwelling places." They are there. Jesus wasn't going to heaven to build them. Sorry.

Rev 20: [SUP]5 [/SUP]But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.

Who are the "rest of the dead" mentioned here?

In your mind the presence of the Church in heaven proves an earlier rapture. But what if the Church was instead killed and got to heaven by death and not by being snatched alive off the planet?

Heb 9: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.

There is no passage that tells us living believers are snatched off the planet, changed, and taken to heaven. But there are plenty of passages that tell us the Church is under a major attack at the end and that massive killings will take place.

Dan 7: [SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came.

Daniel tells us that the Saints are under attack and being defeated until who comes? John teaches the same thing:

Rev 12: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”

Rev 7: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 11: [SUP]7 [/SUP]When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

THE CHURCH IS KILLED, that's how they get to heaven. They aren't raptured there. ISIS is starting the process now. Have you been watching the news? Were the Christians in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, etc, raptured? No MAN, they are being beheaded just as we are told they would be:

I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God.

This is happening right now!!! It is only going to get worse.

PlainWord · Mar 16, 2016

If you are a Christian living in Syria or Iraq are you enduring "Great Tribulation" or just "Tribulation?" If you see your fellow Christians being rounded up and beheaded and you know you could be next, what kind of Tribulation are you facing?

If ISIS came to your house and told you to disavow Jesus and convert to Islam or they would rape your daughter and wife in front of you, what kind of Tribulation would that be? For believers living in ISIS controlled territories, could the Tribulation they are enduring get any worse than it is right now?

"The Church" in the Middle East is being completely eradicated right before our very eyes and we have believers over here who think that we are going to be Raptured before the Tribulation starts. What makes us more special than our brothers and sisters in the middle east who are laying down their lives for Christ right now!!!

I have news for you. The Great Tribulation is not the Wrath of God. The GT is Satan's wrath against the Church and Israel. God's wrath comes after the GT and it is in direct response to the GT.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

For the ELECT'S SAKE, those days (Satan's GT) will be shortened, otherwise Satan will kill everyone.

DP · Mar 16, 2016

DiscipleDave said:

The 7 year Tribulation Period serves two main purposes. It wipes the wicked off the planet AND it is terra-forming the Earth, prepping it for the 1,000 year Millennial Period.

The New City Jerusalem comes down with Christ, once you get that into your head, and reread the Word of God then it will become evident to you as well. Jesus is going to prepare a place for US (Saints) and even you yourself say the Saints don't go to Heaven, but are here on the Earth. The New City Jerusalem comes down WITH Christ, He will collect the Saints that are sleeping, and the Saints that are alive, they will be with Him, in the Holy City, that lands over Jerusalem. The Father is there as well in the Holy City. When Jesus Arrives at the 7th Trumpet, there are still 7 vials to poured out for the next 3 1/2 years. It is at the end of the 7 year Tribulation Period, that Jesus hands the Earth over to the Father, this is when the Earth becomes a footstool. But the period between the HOLY City getting here (at the Rapture) and the handing the Earth over to the Father is a 3 1/2 year cleansing period, to wipe the wicked off the Earth to be bound in the abyss with satan and his followers. When Jesus hands the Earth over to the Father, it will be a PERFECT Earth, no wickedness in it at all. Heaven on Earth.

The 7 year Tribulation Period is what creates the New Heaven (atmosphere) and the New Earth (Garden of Eden)

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Many errors with your timing order of those events.

The time of "great tribulation" Jesus taught in Matt.24 is PRIOR to His 2nd coming, not after. It's very difficult to miss that, so that means you've got some wires crossed somewhere in your thinking, most likely from your listening to men's doctrines instead of staying strictly to Holy Writ.

Jayoish · Mar 16, 2016

PlainWord said:

No, Plainword, I understand very well. You are just quoting what you have been taught in church which is a joke and not relying on your own reading. If you would do more reading, then you wouldn't be showing your ignorance on this board and throwing around accusation of others not having an understanding. It is you who lack the understanding, the knowledge, and the wisdom to read, think and search for yourself and not rely on the lies you were taught in the churches which Jesus called the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9).
Now let me educate you, although it most likely will be in vain. And with that being said, I am really tired or casting my pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6) because none of you but one person, has ever went and read and tried to see if any claim being made is correct. I know this to be true because you continue to dispute our of PRIDE, even after complete scriptural proof has been provided. However, unlike you, I take a look at the scriptures you provide and they are inadequate by themselves and I have ask for more proof and told you that the Bible states that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, is a fact established --- meaning that every scripture is supported by 1 or 2 more (II Corinthian 13:1 and Deuteronomy 19:15). There are many scriptures in the Bible in which are not clearly stated; therefore, you should search for other scriptures which is a confirmation of that one in which more than likely will bring that scripture out more clearly. Yet, most of you get stuck on one scripture and site it over and over, not knowing the true meaning. Interpreting it yourself and not allowing the Bible to speak for itself. So, Plainword you appear to think that Jesus promised the thief that today he will be with him in paradise and immediately after his death, both him and the thief went to heaven. Well, the scriptures do not support your claim, beliefs and teaching.
Jesus went to the grave and stayed there for 3 days and 3 nights as he stated he would and he depended on the Father to raise him from the grave, which he did, proof:
Jesus told the Pharisees and the scribes:
Matthew 12:
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So as you can see Jesus went to the grave, not to heaven, after his death and there are scripture of him talking to the Father telling him that he say his soul in his hand and he know he will raise him in 3 days and 3 night and will not leave him in the grave:
Psalms 16:
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Even Paul knew that Jesus was in the grave and the Father raised him and he quoted what Jesus said:
Acts 13:
26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
30 But God raised him from the dead:
31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psalms 30:
1 (A Psalm and Song at the dedication of the house of David.) I will extol thee, O LORD; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.
2 O LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me.
3 O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
4 Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
5 For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.
6 And in my prosperity I said, I shall never be moved.
7 LORD, by thy favour thou hast made my mountain to stand strong: thou didst hide thy face, and I was troubled.
8 I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication.
9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
10 Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper.
11 Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;
12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever.

As you can see I gave you more than one scripture on this, as stated in II Corinthian 13:
1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
and Deuteronomy 19:
15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Now as far as Jesus promising the thief that he will be in paradise with him, let's be smart about this. The Bible was written years and years ago and I guarantee you that they did not use punctuation because it wasn't until the early seventeenth century did writers start to use punctuation and set rules for it. So that mean the punctuation had to be applied at some point, but how did they know where to apply the punctuation? Think about, depending on where you put the punctuation, it can change the meaning of the sentence. Let's just look at it, why would Jesus tell the thief that today he will be with him in paradise, if he knew that he was going to the grave, and not to heaven? Now it makes since that he would say to the thief that he promise him on today that he will be with him in paradise.
Luke 23:
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Now take a look at the sentence above with punctuation, the meaning is different it is now saying that today he promise the thief that he shall be with him in paradise; however, he did not say when. And any person with half a brain know that he could only promise on that day, he could not deliver him to heaven and he was not going there either.

PlainWord said:

Here Paul do not say he was caught up to the third heaven. He states he did not know if this was an out of body or in the body experience and describes it as one was caught up to the third heaven, but did not say that is what it was. Paul speaks of his experience when Jesus blinded him when he was on his way to Damascus to persecute more saints. (Acts 9th chapter) Read it does it say he was pull up to heaven or did it say a bright light from heaven blinded him and Jesus spoke to him?
Acts 9:
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

PART 1 OF 2 --- TOO LONG TO POST IN ONE PORTION

SHALOM,
JAYOISH

Jayoish · Mar 16, 2016

PlainWord said:

For you to us this to say Stephen was caught up to heaven define show lack of understanding or desperation, one of the two!!! It read as it does, that Stephen gazed into heaven and saw the glory of GOD, not rose into heaven, or was caught up into heaven. And of course his spirit return to GOD, as everyone who ever died spirit did. Even in the OT, it say when we die that the breath (spirit) GOD gave us return to GOD, but our body return to the ground.
Ecclesiastes 12:
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Job 14:
10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
Genesis 3:
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Lastly, Jesus knew what he came here to do and you would think that he would inform his disciples that after his death, all that died will go immediately to heaven where he is and he only have to raise those died prior to his death. (which makes him a respect of person in which the bible state he is not ( ) ) However he continued to say up to his death that he will raise them up at the last day
John 6:
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
why would Jesus say he will raise all that the Lord had given him, at the last day, if he knew that his disciples (which is whom he was talking about) would be immediately sent to heaven at their death. And even in 40th verse he said all who believeth on him, that includes us today, but he said he will raise him up at the last day---which contradicts the going immediately to heaven.
And even the Christian during that time knew better: Martha speaks on Lazarus her brother to Jesus:
John 11:
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Even Paul, speak of when he will get his reward, he did not say upon his death, but at the last day, upon the return of Christ.
II Timothy 4:
6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Isaiah 26:
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Genesis 3:
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Continuing on with any other belief of the dead going to heaven and that the thief and Jesus went immediately to heaven is going against what Jesus himself have said he will be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights, he will raise all the lord gave him and all believers in the last day, and even in Revelation 22:12 where he say he come quickly and his reward is with him to give every man according to his work, is saying that Jesus lied. If to live in his kingdom forever and forever is not the reward and the promise then what is it? If people who die go immediately to heaven, then they already have their reward and why do Jesus need to return and come quickly with a reward? These are all question wise men ask themselves about the mis-teachings of the bible.
Revelation 22:
12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
And for one to say that Jesus lied, I will have to refer them to the Bible and truth:
Roman 3:
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

PART 2 OF 2 -- REPONSE!

Shalom,
Jayoish

Jayoish · Mar 16, 2016

PlainWord said:

Both of you are wrong and need help, the blind can not lead the blind, so Plainword you can't tell Ahwatukee the path that you can't see!!!! As the Bible state, first get the beam out of your eyes and read the scripture and not go on what man has taught you. If man tell you something that is not backed up by 2 or more scriptures as I previous state, then question it and try to find where there is another prophet or apostle states the same thing which hopefully bring the understanding of that scripture out better than the one which is not clear.

I will not respond to this nonsense that the both of you are speaking because I HAVE DID MORE TIMES THAN I SHOULD WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US NOT TO DO: CAST MY PEARLS BEFORE SWINE!!!!

Matthew 7:
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Shalom,

Jayoish

GaryA · Mar 17, 2016

DiscipleDave said:

GaryA said:

DiscipleDave said:

I understand the fact that you said what you said in order to try to convince others to believe you. And, I am not "condemning" you for saying it.

What I am saying is that it had to be Satan - and not God - who prompted you to say something like that. Any such statement that "dares fate" and projects detriment onto self and other people for the sake of "proving a point" -- is not biblical - and, cannot have come from God. It is not love; moreover, it is very careless and devoid of wisdom.

What I am suggesting is that you are allowing Satan to influence your thinking. This kind of wording in your posts has the propensity to instill serious doubt that the 'voice' you are listening to is actually God --- and not Satan...

My statement in post #423 is one of concern, not of ridicule / etc. -- please take note of the "shocked" ( 'EEK!' ) emoticon and the "sad" ( 'Frown' ) emoticon. Please take it as a "heads-up" warning of sorts...

PlainWord · Mar 17, 2016

Without calling anyone out by name, there has been a lot of hurtful commentary aimed at other Christians on this thread. Christians are calling other Christians things like "unsaved," "swine," "blind," "un-studied," etc because of minor doctrinal disagreements. I want to remind everyone that we are instructed to love one another. We can disagree without calling into question someone's salvation. None of us has all the answers and none of us is running for President so let's please keep it civil.

PlainWord · Mar 17, 2016

Jayoish,

Rather than responding to your personal insults, I will give you three passages to consider.

Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that you be not judged.

James 3:5
Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!

Titus 3:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, [SUP]11 [/SUP]knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

I pray that the Lord grant me a gentle spirit and humbly guide me. Hopefully the above we guide any future discussions between us and all others.

I am not sure if you think when a Christian dies they remain dead, body soul and spirit in the ground until the resurrection. That seems to be your position. You also provided passages that tells us Christ’s body remained in the ground for 3 days. This is fact and not in dispute. My assertion is that the body remains in the ground (or wherever it is) until the resurrection but that the spirit immediately goes to the Father. I provided more than two witness passages attesting to this doctrine.

In the case of Christ, we know that while His body was in the ground, his spirit went down to Hell to minister to the souls there. There are 8 passages which discuss this. I will paste commentary about this from another author for your personal deliberation.

8 Bible Verses on Christ’s Descent into Hell
by Dr Taylor Marshall

Previously we examined “Why Did Christ Descend into Hell?” and discussed the four abodes of Hell. On this Holy Saturday, here are eight Bible verses for you to keep near you for apologetic purposes. These eight verses describe the descent of Christ into the Limbo of the Fathers (also known as Abraham’s Bosom).

Saint Paul teaches us in Ephesians 4:9 that Christ our Lord descended into Hell after He offered His life on the cross. “Now that He ascended, what is it, but because He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?” Note here that Hell is described as having “parts” that is the four parts of Hell.
Saint Peter said in Acts 2:24 that “God hath raised up Christ, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that He should be holden by it.” Christ loosed the Old Testament saints from hell.
Saint Peter also wrote in 1 Peter 3:19 that “Christ coming in spirit preached to those spirits that were in prison, which had some time been incredulous.” On this verse, Saint Athanasius says that “Christ’s body was laid in the sepulchre when He went to preach to those spirits who were in bondage, as Peter said.” (Ep. ad Epict.)
The prophet Hosea foretold the descent of Christ into Hell in Hosea 13:14 by placing these words into the mouth of the Messiah: “O death, I will be thy death; O hell, I will be thy bite.”
Zechariah foretells the redemption of those in the Limbo of the Fathers in Zech 9:11: “Thou also by the blood of Thy Testament hast sent forth Thy prisoners out of the pit.” What could this mean except that the Messiah would free people from the underworld?
Colossians 2:15: “Despoiling the principalities and powers, He hath exposed them confidently.” This refers to Christ’s victory over the condemned angels who are the demons of Hell.
Psalm 23:7: “Lift up your gates, O ye princes,” which the medieval Gloss interprets: “that is–Ye princes of hell, take away your power, whereby hitherto you held men fast in hell”.
In Ecclesiasticus 24:45, Siracides prophecied: “I will penetrate to all the lower parts of the earth.”

I hope you find these helpful. If you find yourself with a Protestant who only rolls “Scripture alone,” you’ll want these in your tool belt.

Jayoish · Mar 17, 2016

PlainWord said:

Yes, the truth does hurts sometimes! No where in the Bible I have found where it say to sugar coat the truth. No where in the Bible have I found that we must be quiet and allow people to continue in their wrong behavior while we watch quietly. Every where I read Jesus spoke out against the scribes and Pharisees who were wrong in the tradition of men they were teaching. And that is exactly what is going on here. Half of the stuff most of you are saying on this board is not backed by scripture but you continue to say it on what supposed to be a Christian board. It is our responsibility, as Christian, to speak up for our Lord and if you are use to that then you might want to do a self check.

Matthew 23:
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

I know most people are not use to someone who is bluntly honest, well hello meet me. I believe in uplifting people and not putting them down, but when you are wrong, you are wrong! That is why the Bible say that the word of GOD is sharper than any 2 edged sword because it cuts us sometimes.
Hebrew 4:
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

We are so concern about each other until we have forgotten about GOD, the Holy One, whom everything is about. It is not about us!!!! We worship men, the creature, instead of the creator. How did we get to this point where we accept anything and everything. As long as we don't offend each other, it is okay what we are doing in this world. That is the reason our world is in such a big mess, we all have let down out morals and values. We all accept everything that people decide is okay and right, even when we know in our hearts it is not and that it goes against the very existence of GOD. He is not the important thing in our life anymore, men's acceptance and the false peace among men has become more important. And this is a false peace that exist!!! Everyone pretending that racism doesn't exist anymore, when it does, but no one dare to speak of it. Just no one say anything, we keep moving forward, even thou the sign and symptoms are there --- mass killing of blacks, mass discrimination when it come to jobs, purchasing power, deals, etc. - really anything available the color of your skin can make things better and easier for you.

As long as we don't verbally talk about it and things appears to be great. We love each other and living in peace, then the things which are actually happening, are not happening. We all are living in a fairy tale story of a world and turning a blind eye to the truth and reality of this world. And anytime someone doesn't participants in this false persona, then they are the enemy because it threats everyone else's very existence.

WAKE UP! people the Bible is right and everyone else is wrong and the Bible states:

Revelation 12:
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And it say that he has deceived, not will deceive, or going to deceive!!!! We have been living in deception for a long, long, long time!!!! And it starts with the teaching of the Bible!!! Wake up and READ FOR YOURSELF! TRULY READ AND SEEK ANSWERS! THEY ARE ALL IN THERE, NOT IN OUR INTERPRETATION!

So, in conclusion, if I have offend anyone, then I have did my job. I hope to make you mad enough to read for yourself, to seek the truth for yourself, not take my word and definite not the words you been previously taught BECAUSE THE DEVIL HAS DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!!!

SHALOM!

JAYOISH

Jayoish · Mar 17, 2016

PlainWord said:

What does it means to judge?
Revelation 20:
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Did I do any of this? Then I did not judge anyone!

PlainWord said:

Here, you proved the point I made in my previous posting! As soon as words threatens the false persona in which men have established in their fantasy world, then whether it is true or not, the words are wrong!!! Well the Bible also said that that is things which speak against the truth and I have been only for the truth- continue reading:
James 3:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

We both know I did not lie, whether we both will admit it or not! I only threaten REALITY!

PlainWord said:

Which is exactly what were going on with the continuous mockery of the scriptures. Giving self interpretation and not allowing the Bible to speak for itself. This point here is why I said what I said, because enough is enough!!!!!

PlainWord said:

And we all should pray for that!

PlainWord said:

Why don't you ask me what my position, since you did not read any of my posting, instead of assuming? I posted it, even thou I did not directly say, my position is. However, I posted scriptures which tells you what happens when a man dies. Well, my position is GOD's position!!! You know, not my will Lord, but thou will be done!!! I stand on the Bible, not on my own understanding!!! SEE WHY I REFUSE TO RESPOND TO OTHER POSTING, WHEN I POST MY POSITION AND NO ONE READS IT BUT INSTEAD ASSUME, THEN THAT IS CASTING YOUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE!!!

Ecclesiastes 12:
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
The spirit is the only thing which returns to GOD, because it is the Breath in which he breathe into man knowledge and made him become a living soul - without the breath man is now a dead soul and is buried and go back to dust as the Bible states he will.
Proverb 3:
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

And this is what a lot of us are doing, leaning on our own understanding and not trusting in the Bible, or leaning on the understanding or others who interpret it for us.

PlainWord said:

No, we don't, maybe you know more than I have read in the Bible. I have never read that in the Bible, so please provide me with scripture which states that because the ones before - DO NOT!!!! And once again you are going on something someone else gives you as an interpretation who is leaning on their own understanding - which I just quoted the scripture above where GOD tell us not to do.

If you had read my previous post in entirety then you would knot that this is not true because I provide scriptures in which this contradicts. So you are either saying men is true and GOD is a liar or what exactly are you saying?

If you would just think for yourself and seek for yourself and read for yourself, then you will find your own answers and not accept someone else's conclusion. You say while Christ's body was in the ground, his spirit went down to Hell to minister to the souls there, well I give you one scripture which proves that to be a LIE!

Luke 23:
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Well, the Bible states that Jesus said his spirit went up to GOD, as all souls which die. Leaving a dead soul or body behind to go to the grave. THIS IS THE REASON I STATED WHAT I SAID BECAUSE WE ARE DECEIVED!!! You could have read this for yourself, but you choose to accept someone else's explanation. We are too lazy to do the work ourselves, let someone else tell us what is true. ALL OF THIS STUFF BEING SAID IN WHICH IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE OR IS IN THE BIBLE, MUST STOP!!! BECAUSE IT PUT US IN DANGER OF THE LAKE OF FIRE. He tells us not to add or take away from his word and that is exactly what that is doing!!!

II Corinthian 13:1 and Deuteronomy 19:15 and Revelation

Deuteronomy 19:
15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

II Corinthian 13:
1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Revelation 22:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And if you are not written in the Book of Life, then you will not make it into the Kingdom of GOD!!!!

PlainWord said:

This was addressed above nothing needs to be said, one scripture debunks what you are trying to imply with 8 scriptures!!!!

Shalom,

Jayoish

PlainWord · Mar 18, 2016

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Reject a divisive man (or woman) after the first and second admonition, [SUP]11 [/SUP]knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Jayoish · Mar 18, 2016

PlainWord said:

Ok, I will and thank you

Shalom,
Jayoish

PlainWord · Mar 18, 2016

1 Cor 15: [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father...

Heb 9: He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, [SUP]28 [/SUP]so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

The notion of a "Tribulation, left-behind, Saint" is not found in the Bible. The above passages make clear Christ returns a second time, not a second and third time. Concerning the resurrection, there are only two such events:

1 Cor 15:

1) Christ the Firstfruits
2) Those who are Christ's at His coming

There is no mention of a 3rd resurrection for the Tribulation Saints killed during the Great Trib.

Heb 9:

Christ appears a second time, not a second and third time.

PlainWord · Mar 18, 2016

Back to the timeline of Revelation:

In terms of things in the future, Rev 13 describes a Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. These 7 heads are the same 7 heads and 10 horns the Great Red Dragon (Satan) is said to have in Rev 12. Beasts as used by John in Revelation refers to evil, Satanic influenced, Empires. John takes his imagery from Daniel 2, 7 & 8. Using "beasts" to describe wicked men is also a NT concept (Tit 1:12, 1 Cor 15:32, 2 Pet 2:12). So John is telling us that the Harlot (False Religion) will be supported by a succession of 7 uninterrupted evil world powers. One of these 7 will receive a mortal wound (appear dead) but will return (come back to life) at the end.

Rev 17:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Indeed there have been 7 Evil, Satanic-influenced, Idol (false) worshiping, world powers all of which persecuted Israel to some degree, all of which were in the "Old World." Daniel defines 4 of them and when put together with the above passage from Rev 17 we can identify the other 3.

1) Egypt
2) Assyria
3) Babylon (#1 for Daniel)
4) Medo-Persia (#2 for Daniel)
5) Greece (#3 for Daniel)
6) Rome (#4 for Daniel, the most terrible and unlike the others)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

7) Ottoman Empire

The Ottoman Empire came into being when it destroyed the remnant of the Eastern Roman Empire, or Byzantine Empire, at Constantinople in 1299. The official religion of the Ottoman Turks was of course, ISLAM. During it's 623 year (632 Hebrew) reign, the Ottoman Empire killed roughly 50 million Christians and Jews. It was broken up in 1922 by the European powers which won WWI.

If we take this passage from Rev 13:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

and compare it to Daniel 7, we learn that the Beast of the Sea comes from the region of Syria, Iran and Iraq.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast

The one head which was wounded, but healed, is the Ottoman Empire. This means an Islamic Empire will arise at the end before Christ returns and reek havoc on God's People just as told by Daniel here:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High..

and by John in Rev 12:

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So expect an Islamic Empire to be reborn in the area of Syria, Iran and Iraq which will "declare war" on God's people attempting to wipe them off the map. This battle and persecution and killing of Saints continues right up and until the Return of the Lord.

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I believe we are in the early stages of Revelation 13 right now. The Caliphate was declared on June 29, 2014 and is to continue 42 months.

PlainWord · Mar 19, 2016

Here's what happens.

The Muslims attack Israel and almost wipe her out. This is the Great Tribulation, a time for those living in Judea to flee. 2/3 of all Israelis are cut off and killed, their women are raped. 1/3 of Israelis flee as the Muslim hordes invade and take over most of Judea. This happens when the Abomination of Desolation is set up. The below are just some of the passages which tell of the carnage.

the GREAT TRIBULATION:

Zec 13-14: [SUP]8 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in all the land,” Says the Lord, “That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one–third shall be left in it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity

Joel 1: [SUP]6 [/SUP]For a nation has come up against My land, Strong, and without number; His teeth are the teeth of a lion, And he has the fangs of a fierce lion. [SUP]7 [/SUP]He has laid waste My vine, And ruined My fig tree.

Eze 38: In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. [SUP]9 [/SUP]You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

WRATH of GOD:

After this happens, there is a sense of peace among the conquering Muslims. They think with the Jews defeated, they will have peace and safety then POW!! The Wrath of God is poured out upon them.

Mat 24: [SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Eze 38: [SUP]18 [/SUP]“And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken...[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Joel 2: A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. Hint: This is God's Army. This is the 6th Trumpet.

Rev 6: He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood... “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Rev 16:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” [SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

Zec 14: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall flee through My mountain valley..

RETURN OF THE LORD:

It is as I've been saying to those who will listen. The Great Tribulation is a time of severe distress for Israel as her enemies finally attack her with overwhelming strength. Israel is all but defeated. It is Satan's forces, his Muslim hordes, who are following Satan's murderous false religion, ISLAM, which causes the Great Tribulation. The GT is not a global event, it is regional. When all appears lost for Israel, then the Bowls of God's Wrath are poured out just before the Return of the Lord.

Mat 24: [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.

The ones taken are the wicked, the Tares, to the fire. The ones left are saved. All of these so-called expert preachers couldn't be more incorrect with their false teachings.

Jayoish · Mar 20, 2016

PlainWord said:

Here's what happens.

The Muslims attack Israel and almost wipe her out. This is the Great Tribulation, a time for those living in Judea to flee. 2/3 of all Israelis are cut off and killed, their women are raped. 1/3 of Israelis flee as the Muslim hordes invade and take over most of Judea. This happens when the Abomination of Desolation is set up. The below are just some of the passages which tell of the carnage.

the GREAT TRIBULATION:

Zec 13-14: [SUP]8 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in all the land,” Says the Lord, “That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one–third shall be left in it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity

Joel 1: [SUP]6 [/SUP]For a nation has come up against My land, Strong, and without number; His teeth are the teeth of a lion, And he has the fangs of a fierce lion. [SUP]7 [/SUP]He has laid waste My vine, And ruined My fig tree.

Eze 38: In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. [SUP]9 [/SUP]You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

WRATH of GOD:

After this happens, there is a sense of peace among the conquering Muslims. They think with the Jews defeated, they will have peace and safety then POW!! The Wrath of God is poured out upon them.

Mat 24: [SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Eze 38: [SUP]18 [/SUP]“And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken...[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Joel 2: A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. Hint: This is God's Army. This is the 6th Trumpet.

Rev 6: He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood... “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Rev 16:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” [SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

Zec 14: [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall flee through My mountain valley..

RETURN OF THE LORD:

It is as I've been saying to those who will listen. The Great Tribulation is a time of severe distress for Israel as her enemies finally attack her with overwhelming strength. Israel is all but defeated. It is Satan's forces, his Muslim hordes, who are following Satan's murderous false religion, ISLAM, which causes the Great Tribulation. The GT is not a global event, it is regional. When all appears lost for Israel, then the Bowls of God's Wrath are poured out just before the Return of the Lord.

Mat 24: [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.

The ones taken are the wicked, the Tares, to the fire. The ones left are saved. All of these so-called expert preachers couldn't be more incorrect with their false teachings.

LOL!!!

Shalom,

Jayoish

Jayoish · Mar 20, 2016

PlainWord said:

Back to the timeline of Revelation:

In terms of things in the future, Rev 13 describes a Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. These 7 heads are the same 7 heads and 10 horns the Great Red Dragon (Satan) is said to have in Rev 12. Beasts as used by John in Revelation refers to evil, Satanic influenced, Empires. John takes his imagery from Daniel 2, 7 & 8. Using "beasts" to describe wicked men is also a NT concept (Tit 1:12, 1 Cor 15:32, 2 Pet 2:12). So John is telling us that the Harlot (False Religion) will be supported by a succession of 7 uninterrupted evil world powers. One of these 7 will receive a mortal wound (appear dead) but will return (come back to life) at the end.

Rev 17:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Indeed there have been 7 Evil, Satanic-influenced, Idol (false) worshiping, world powers all of which persecuted Israel to some degree, all of which were in the "Old World." Daniel defines 4 of them and when put together with the above passage from Rev 17 we can identify the other 3.

1) Egypt
2) Assyria
3) Babylon (#1 for Daniel)
4) Medo-Persia (#2 for Daniel)
5) Greece (#3 for Daniel)
6) Rome (#4 for Daniel, the most terrible and unlike the others)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

7) Ottoman Empire

The Ottoman Empire came into being when it destroyed the remnant of the Eastern Roman Empire, or Byzantine Empire, at Constantinople in 1299. The official religion of the Ottoman Turks was of course, ISLAM. During it's 623 year (632 Hebrew) reign, the Ottoman Empire killed roughly 50 million Christians and Jews. It was broken up in 1922 by the European powers which won WWI.

If we take this passage from Rev 13:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

and compare it to Daniel 7, we learn that the Beast of the Sea comes from the region of Syria, Iran and Iraq.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast

The one head which was wounded, but healed, is the Ottoman Empire. This means an Islamic Empire will arise at the end before Christ returns and reek havoc on God's People just as told by Daniel here:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High..

and by John in Rev 12:

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So expect an Islamic Empire to be reborn in the area of Syria, Iran and Iraq which will "declare war" on God's people attempting to wipe them off the map. This battle and persecution and killing of Saints continues right up and until the Return of the Lord.

Kerry declares ISIS committing genocide against Christians; what took so long?

Kerry declares ISIS committing genocide; what took so long? | On Air Videos | Fox News

I believe we are in the early stages of Revelation 13 right now. The Caliphate was declared on June 29, 2014 and is to continue 42 months.

LOL!!!!!

Shalom,

Jayoish

tooldtocare · Mar 20, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Surely, you must be talking about "Trump"

PlainWord · Mar 20, 2016

then there are those who are truly blind and clueless spouting off like they are experts when they are not.

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