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Well then, let me show you how we can deduce that Dan.9:27 has to do with the tribulation. When we cross-reference Dan.9:27 with Mt.24:15, where Jesus quotes Dan.9:27, he includes it as part of his answer to his disciples regarding the signs of tribulation that would lead up to his return to the earth and which ends the age.

"when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Therefore, since Jesus included the setting up of the abomination as part of the signs leading up to his return and the end of the age. And we know that this event takes place in the middle of that seven year period, and he said that time would be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again, then we know that the setting up of the abomination takes place at the beginning of the great tribulation period, which is that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ's return. The setting of the abomination is also when that antichrist stands in the temple and proclaims himself to be God..

Therefore in response to your claim above, taking into consideration the information contained in Dan.9:27 and Jesus reference to the setting up of the abomination which begins that time of great distress, then we know that Dan.9:27 takes place during the tribulation period and is in fact the time of Jacob's trouble prophesied in Jer.30:7 and which is what Matthew 24 is describing leading up to the Lord's return to end that age.
There's nothing in Daniel 9:27 about setting up an abomination. He shall make it desolate because of the many Obamanations sorry I meant abominations lol. See what I mean, there is no abomination set up in that verse... Daniel 9:27 has nothing do with what Jesus was talking about in Matthew, Jesus was talking about another passage in Daniel.

Daniel 9:27 KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Hello GaryA,

In response to your claim, do you have any political leader who has made a seven year covenant with Israel? { This is moot. The Bible does not say this [ ever ] happens. } Do you have the fulfillment of the setting up of the abomination that causes the desolation? { I believe that it happened circa 70 A.D. } From the setting up of the abomination, Jesus referred this as the time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the creation of the world, until now and never to be equaled again. Has this been fulfilled? { 'been' - no; 'being' - yes. And, the worst part of it is yet to come... } Also, that seven year period is directly linked to the return of the Lord to end the age and to dismantle all human government in preparation for his millennial kingdom. { There is no "seven year period" associated with the Second Coming of Christ ( before He comes ) } That being said, anyone who claims that the seven years has already taken place is in error and that because the Lord has not returned to the earth. { It has not happened, nor will it --- there IS NO "SEVEN YEARS"... }

The only way that people attempt to get around this fact, is by distorting and circumventing scripture. The destruction of the temple, though terrible to the Jews, hardly fits the bill as that time of great distress that Jesus spoke of, for it includes the entire earth and is what the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments represent. For regarding that time of distress, Jesus said that, if those days of trouble had not be cut short, no one would be left alive on the earth and we have not seen anything remotely close to that description. Also, those who try to claim this preterist and amil junk, have to assign allegories or historical events to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and by doing so, they reduce the wrath of God to uneventful, passive events. { You are simply not interpreting scripture properly. }

The short answer is, whenever that abomination is set up, then the Lord's return will follow a little over 3 1/2 years later, { No -- the Bible does not say this. } as that last seven years is directly linked to Christ's physical, visual, return to the earth. { No -- the Bible does not say this. }
Ahwatukee,

You are incorrectly interpreting Daniel 9:24-27. This is where you are getting your "seven year tribulation period" from; however, what you are "getting" from it is not what it is actually saying ( not even close ).

It is that simple.

When - and only when - you are willing to "let go" of all of the 'junk' that you have been taught about the End Times Scenario -- and sincerely "start afresh" - with "new eyes" and a "new mind" and a "new heart" - reading the scriptures without the influence of all of that 'junk' -- you may accomplish a better understanding of what the scriptures are actually saying about the End Times Scenario.

I am not saying this to be mean. I am saying it with all of the Christian love I can muster...

The fact is --- you are wrong. You were taught error - no doubt by very well-intended people -- who were themselves, no doubt, taught by very well-intended people... Nonetheless, you - and they - are wrong.

The Devil is very sly.

PLEASE --- swallow your PRIDE --- and "start afresh"...

:)
 
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Ahwatukee,

You are incorrectly interpreting Daniel 9:24-27. This is where you are getting your "seven year tribulation period" from; however, what you are "getting" from it is not what it is actually saying ( not even close ).

It is that simple.

When - and only when - you are willing to "let go" of all of the 'junk' that you have been taught about the End Times Scenario -- and sincerely "start afresh" - with "new eyes" and a "new mind" and a "new heart" - reading the scriptures without the influence of all of that 'junk' -- you may accomplish a better understanding of what the scriptures are actually saying about the End Times Scenario.

I am not saying this to be mean. I am saying it with all of the Christian love I can muster...

The fact is --- you are wrong. You were taught error - no doubt by very well-intended people -- who were themselves, no doubt, taught by very well-intended people... Nonetheless, you - and they - are wrong.

The Devil is very sly.

PLEASE --- swallow your PRIDE --- and "start afresh"...

:)
We are not the ones that disenfranchise verses.

10 virgin parable

Eminent return (watch and wait)

Wedding supper (consummation)

The entire Ch of rev19

The bride/groom dimension

Every humanoid killed w/o the mark

You guys Never initiate Any of those no brainers. And when you are challenged to look at them,YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST TWIST THEM.

Your doctrine is built off a negative. Not the panoramic scope of the entire word.

That reveals why you guys are trib centered.

Oh,and merry Christmas. Never mind my rant lol
 
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Ahwatukee,

You are incorrectly interpreting Daniel 9:24-27. This is where you are getting your "seven year tribulation period" from; however, what you are "getting" from it is not what it is actually saying ( not even close ).
Hi GaryA,

What I have written regarding the abomination is exactly what the scripture says and Jesus validates this in Mt.24:15. It is you who does not understand that the making of the covenant with Israel and the setting up of the abomination is a future event that will fulfill the decree that was given to Israel and Jerusalem. Your interpretation is a well known false teaching that I have come up against many times. My understanding comes directly from my own studies of the scriptures and not from any teacher. All you have to do is wait and watch because, first the church is going to be removed, then that antichrist is going to make that seven year covenant, followed by the abomination being set up in the holy place within the temple in the middle of that seven years, just as Daniel and Jesus fortold.

This is exactly how this event is going to take place and there is no scripture you can show me that I haven't already gone over many times, in order to change my understanding of this. That last seven years has not yet been fulfilled, but is quickly coming. If you want to continue believing those false teachings, then that is your choice. I prefer to believe the truth. As proof that I am proclaiming the truth, when you observe those things taking place, then think back on this post, because that last seven years is coming quickly. Within that seven years, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will all be fulfilled and all that is written regarding the beast and the false prophet will also take place during that time leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age. Don't argue, just watch!
 
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In response to your claim, do you have any political leader who has made a seven year covenant with Israel? { This is moot. The Bible does not say this [ ever ] happens. }
Oh, but the Bible does say this will happen and so you are already caught. Here is the verse:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’[SUP]i[/SUP] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[SUP]j[/SUP] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Grammatically speaking, The "He" would have to revert back to "the ruler" of verse 26 and therefore, he is the one who is making the covenant and who causes the sacrifice and offering to cease in the middle of the seven and he is also the one who is setting up the abomination. In case you are going to claim that Jesus is the "He" in the scripture, that is not possible and that because the abomination being set up is defined as a detestable stench against God. Look up the word "Bdelugma." And since the setting up of the abomination is against God, then Jesus cannot be the one who is setting it up.

{ I believe that it happened circa 70 A.D. }


You believe that happened, but where is the Biblical or historical record of this event every taking place? There is none! Also, as I have stated many times before, the last seven years are directly linked to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, which takes place shortly after the end of that seven years. Another sign of Christ coming that he mentions after the setting up of the abomination, is that great earthquake, the sun being darkened, the moon not giving its light and the stars falling from heaven to earth, which is directly followed by the Lord arriving on the clouds with the angels where every eye shall see him. All of those things just mentioned would have also had to have taken place 3 1/2 years after the setting up of the abomination, but they have not yet been fulfilled. The only way that you can have fulfillment is if you circumvent and distort scripture. When Jesus does return to end the age, he will establish his thousand year reign and that hasn't happened, that is, unless you are an amil or a preterist.

PLEASE --- swallow your PRIDE --- and "start afresh"...
I can assure you that, pride is not the issue, but zealousness for the truth and accuracy of God's word and to contend for it is what drives me and you distorting it. Why would I want to turn away from the truth to believe in the false teachings of men? When you see the church removed and that ruler make his seven year covenant with Israel, allowing them to rebuild their long-awaited temple, then you will know that I was telling you the truth. So just continue to watch!
 
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Re: DD the false prophet...

Spoken like a true YEC.
I actually could care less how old the Earth is. I could care less if there is a rapture before the tribulation in the middle of it or at the end of it. I could care less if their is a tribulation at all. My focus is on Christ and spreading the Gospel. I am watching this thread just out of curiosity. You weren't following what the OP was asking so I corrected you on it.
 

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Re: DD the false prophet...

I actually could care less how old the Earth is. I could care less if there is a rapture before the tribulation in the middle of it or at the end of it. I could care less if their is a tribulation at all. My focus is on Christ and spreading the Gospel. I am watching this thread just out of curiosity. You weren't following what the OP was asking so I corrected you on it.
Hello WarriorForChrist,

I'm surprised to hear you say that! The resurrection and catching away is a promise from the Lord to all believers. Regarding this he said, "What I say to you, I say to all, Watch! Therefore, all believers should be watching and anticipating the fulfillment of this promise, for it is referred to as "the blessed hope." It is crucial to be watching and to be ready for his appearing, for those who are not, will not be gathered when he comes. Also, their were those who during Paul's time (Hymeneus and Phileteus that were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place and because of this Paul said that it was godless chatter, that it would spread like gangrene, that by this teaching that they had wandered away from the truth and that they were destroying the faith of some.

Though I know how frustrating it can be to debate with Bowman, Cassian and Valiant, you might want to reconsider your position regarding the issue of the resurrection and catching away. It should be your blessed hope as well. :D
 
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Re: DD the false prophet...

Hello WarriorForChrist,

I'm surprised to hear you say that! The resurrection and catching away is a promise from the Lord to all believers. Regarding this he said, "What I say to you, I say to all, Watch! Therefore, all believers should be watching and anticipating the fulfillment of this promise, for it is referred to as "the blessed hope." It is crucial to be watching and to be ready for his appearing, for those who are not, will not be gathered when he comes. Also, their were those who during Paul's time (Hymeneus and Phileteus that were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place and because of this Paul said that it was godless chatter, that it would spread like gangrene, that by this teaching that they had wandered away from the truth and that they were destroying the faith of some.

Though I know how frustrating it can be to debate with Bowman, Cassian and Valiant, you might want to reconsider your position regarding the issue of the resurrection and catching away. It should be your blessed hope as well. :D
I agree we should look for the signs of His coming. I just don't get into the bickering it causes. I have my own beliefs as to what I believe is the timeline. If I am wrong then oh well. Some seem to think that if we are pre-tribbers that we won't be ready if the rapture doesn't happen before the tribulation. I don't believe they are doing some sort of post tribulation boot camp or some sort of work out video that gets them prepared more than other Christians.

I read people calling other heretics because they believe a certain way and it is nonsense. If Jesus calls us home before the tribulation then awesome, I get to see Him a lot sooner than I would have. If I have to endure through the tribulation then so bet it.

Most Christians can't even handle persecution that comes with our normal lives today. How are we going to handle the tribulation? I like to stay focused on what God wants me to do now. I long for the Lord but I'm not going to bicker with others about what if's. Sorry if I sound a little bitter but I am just not going to focus on the what if's when I can focus on the what now's.

I am watching this thread because others know a lot more than I do and well I'm willing to sit here and read what the so called experts have to say. The only reason I commented at all is because someone was posting without actually reading what the OP had stated in his original post. Next time I will just keep quite and read in peace. :)
 
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It appears brother cary had a bit of a problem with his timeline when he saw it ended at 33ad which put it in no mans land.

The Stephen getting stoned thinggy will have to suffice huh?
I think it's correct except for the dates and the Stephen endpoint. IMO the 70th week ended with Peter opening the door to the gentiles when he baptized Cornelius, thus ending the 70th week of confirmation of the new covenant to Israel.

how will we escape [if we] neglect so great a salvation which had [its] beginning [when it] was spoken through the Lord [and] was confirmed to us by those who heard, Hebrews 2:3
 
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I think it's correct except for the dates and the Stephen endpoint. IMO the 70th week ended with Peter opening the door to the gentiles when he baptized Cornelius, thus ending the 70th week of confirmation of the new covenant to Israel.

how will we escape [if we] neglect so great a salvation which had [its] beginning [when it] was spoken through the Lord [and] was confirmed to us by those who heard, Hebrews 2:3
One thing I don't agree with on that chart is Titus is shown as the "Prince" that was to come, but the scriptures say it is the people of the Prince that was forecast to come, which is the Devil (Prince of this world) being cast out of heaven to earth as Jesus declared.

Notice the people of the Prince would be doing the destroying,meaning those who would be of His spirit.

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Here is Jesus declaring the Prince is coming...

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

And Jesus confirms the timing of when the Devil was cast of heaven down to earth....

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
 
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Hi GaryA,

What I have written regarding the abomination is exactly what the scripture says and Jesus validates this in Mt.24:15. It is you who does not understand that the making of the covenant with Israel and the setting up of the abomination is a future event that will fulfill the decree that was given to Israel and Jerusalem. Your interpretation is a well known false teaching that I have come up against many times. My understanding comes directly from my own studies of the scriptures and not from any teacher. All you have to do is wait and watch because, first the church is going to be removed, then that antichrist is going to make that seven year covenant, followed by the abomination being set up in the holy place within the temple in the middle of that seven years, just as Daniel and Jesus fortold.

This is exactly how this event is going to take place and there is no scripture you can show me that I haven't already gone over many times, in order to change my understanding of this. That last seven years has not yet been fulfilled, but is quickly coming. If you want to continue believing those false teachings, then that is your choice. I prefer to believe the truth. As proof that I am proclaiming the truth, when you observe those things taking place, then think back on this post, because that last seven years is coming quickly. Within that seven years, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will all be fulfilled and all that is written regarding the beast and the false prophet will also take place during that time leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age. Don't argue, just watch!
Oh, but the Bible does say this will happen and so you are already caught. Here is the verse:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’[SUP]i[/SUP] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[SUP]j[/SUP] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Grammatically speaking, The "He" would have to revert back to "the ruler" of verse 26 and therefore, he is the one who is making the covenant and who causes the sacrifice and offering to cease in the middle of the seven and he is also the one who is setting up the abomination. In case you are going to claim that Jesus is the "He" in the scripture, that is not possible and that because the abomination being set up is defined as a detestable stench against God. Look up the word "Bdelugma." And since the setting up of the abomination is against God, then Jesus cannot be the one who is setting it up.



You believe that happened, but where is the Biblical or historical record of this event every taking place? There is none! Also, as I have stated many times before, the last seven years are directly linked to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, which takes place shortly after the end of that seven years. Another sign of Christ coming that he mentions after the setting up of the abomination, is that great earthquake, the sun being darkened, the moon not giving its light and the stars falling from heaven to earth, which is directly followed by the Lord arriving on the clouds with the angels where every eye shall see him. All of those things just mentioned would have also had to have taken place 3 1/2 years after the setting up of the abomination, but they have not yet been fulfilled. The only way that you can have fulfillment is if you circumvent and distort scripture. When Jesus does return to end the age, he will establish his thousand year reign and that hasn't happened, that is, unless you are an amil or a preterist.



I can assure you that, pride is not the issue, but zealousness for the truth and accuracy of God's word and to contend for it is what drives me and you distorting it. Why would I want to turn away from the truth to believe in the false teachings of men? When you see the church removed and that ruler make his seven year covenant with Israel, allowing them to rebuild their long-awaited temple, then you will know that I was telling you the truth. So just continue to watch!
SMH :( ( "It's sad. It really is..." )










"We shall see..."

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We are not the ones that disenfranchise verses.

10 virgin parable

Eminent return (watch and wait)

Wedding supper (consummation)

The entire Ch of rev19

The bride/groom dimension

Every humanoid killed w/o the mark

You guys Never initiate Any of those no brainers. And when you are challenged to look at them,YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST TWIST THEM.

Your doctrine is built off a negative. Not the panoramic scope of the entire word.

That reveals why you guys are trib centered.

Oh,and merry Christmas. Never mind my rant lol
Merry Christmas.










"We shall see..."

:)
 
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Why do people want to constantly change the prophetic week equaling 7 years to either a longer period of time, or even a shorter period of time ???


Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy by a history study one can see that the first 69 weeks lasted 483 years.

Take 483 and divide it by 69 and you get 7......................

So if the first 69 weeks were an average of 7 years for each week, then why would the 70th week not also be 7 years ???

The only two possibilities that can be taken from this is either there is still 7 years unfulfilled, or Jesus fulfilled the first 3 1/2 years and there is still 3 1/2 years left.


You can not say the 70th week was fully fulfilled because 70 A.D. was way more then 3 1/2 years after Jesus crucifixion, also Titus never set foot in the temple and never set up an idol in it in order to defile it and set up the A.O.D.

The other issue you run into is there is no teaching in the bible for an undetermined amount of time between the beast system set up and the A.O.D. set up to the second coming of Christ.

Revelation clearly states that the beast is only given 42 months, and Lord returns to stop him and cast him in the lake of fire.

42 months, 3 1/2 years, and 1,260 days are all equal periods of time. The whole spin of taking the 1,260 days and turning them to years has no biblical backing, that is man's invention that made that change !!!
 

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SMH :( ( "It's sad. It really is..." )










"We shall see..."

:)
No, What is really sad is that your only response was "It's sad. It really is..." with no scripture to refute all that I presented.
 
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One thing I don't agree with on that chart is Titus is shown as the "Prince" that was to come, but the scriptures say it is the people of the Prince that was forecast to come, which is the Devil (Prince of this world) being cast out of heaven to earth as Jesus declared.
I didn't even read that. It was too small. Guess I should have qualified with, Of what I can read...
 
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I think it's correct except for the dates and the Stephen endpoint. IMO the 70th week ended with Peter opening the door to the gentiles when he baptized Cornelius, thus ending the 70th week of confirmation of the new covenant to Israel.

how will we escape [if we] neglect so great a salvation which had [its] beginning [when it] was spoken through the Lord [and] was confirmed to us by those who heard, Hebrews 2:3
Historicist view is too far fetched.

Besides,it requires most everything to be reduced to allegory
 

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If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

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Line 1. on the first about the two 3.5 years periods, you'll find in Dan.8 a 2300 day period mentioned covering the time of sacrifice and transgression of desolation (AOD), basically meaning the whole prophecy. So count back from the very end of the second 3.5 years period 2300 days. (2300 minus 1260 days = 1040 into the first 3.5 years period. Then 1260 days of the first 3.5 year period minus 1040 days = 220 days). Certain events are to occur within the first 220 days of the start of the first 3.5 year period. Then other events between the 220 days and the end of 1260 days of the first 3.5 year period. Then the AOD is setup where you have it, and the latter 3.5 years begins.

Line 2. OK

Line 3. OK, but somewhere in the first period a new temple is built for those sacrifices to start again.

Line 4. I only see the mark being established in the latter 3.5 year period, in conjunction with the placing of the abomination of desolation idol, what is called the "image of the beast" in Rev.13. I believe when it is manifested it will be a mandatory mark required in relation to bowing to the false messiah.

Line 5.
the great falling away period will coincide with the abomination of desolation in place starting at the middle, i.e., after the first 3.5 years. In 2 Thess.2, the great falling away timing and the false one revealed as having come, are both within the same timing. It's actually the appearing of the pseudo-Christ in Jerusalem that will cause that falling away, i.e., the "strong delusion" of that chapter.

The timing of Armageddon, when Jesus will come to defeat the nations gathered around Israel will be on the last day, which you instead have happening during... the 3.5 years period. Their defeat will be very quick. like an instant, when Jesus appears coming in the clouds on the "day of the Lord", which on that day is when His thousand years reign will start.

During the thousand years, you have an idea there about age limit restored. Not sure what you mean by that. My understanding is that everyone alive on earth on the last day when Jesus comes, will be changed to the "spiritual body" Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 with the "last trump" sounding, the 7th of Rev.11 (see also Isaiah 25 about the idea of death swallowed in victory, who all it is to). Man's time in a flesh body will then be over forever. The wicked outside the gates of the holy city will still be subject to perish though, the "second death", and will be in that state throughout Christ's thousand years reign. Those are the nations outside the holy city which Christ with His elect will reign over with a rod of iron in that time (Rev.22:14-15 and Rev.20 and end of Zech.14).

6. All the seven seals, trumpets, and vials occur during the time of "great tribulation", which is the latter 3.5 years or 1260 days, or 42 months of Revelation. I do not hold to the idea that the seals, trumpets, and vials occur separate from each other. The seals of Rev.6 are the 7 signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse of Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. There's only 7 main signs involved for the very end, and each of those 7 signs are shown in Revelation in 3 different ways.

The Garden of Eden conditions you have for the Millennium is actually for after that period, when God brings the new heavens and a new earth condition. Some events linked to God's Eden do begin to occur during Christ's thousand year reign, like God's River and the Tree of Life per Ezekiel 47 established with a sanctuary in Jerusalem. After that period there is no more sanctuary.

7. the 144,000 sealed of Israel represent Christ's elect, not some idea like "tribulation saints". I've tried to show many here that not all of those 144,000 represent Jews of the three tribed "house of Judah", but also the other tribes of the ten-tribed "house of Israel" which God scattered among the Gentiles, who among which The Gospel was preached after Christ was rejected and crucified in Jerusalem. These are Israelite believers on Christ Jesus sealed to make a stand through the tribulation, not unbelieving Jews that only turn to Jesus during the tribulation like many wrongly think. If you're sealed for the end, it is only by The Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus.

The "great multitude" of Rev.7 are also sealed for the tribulation, and represent Gentile believers on Christ Jesus. The view John is given of them in Rev.7 is of the time during Christ's Millennial reign.

You have the saints reigning over the 144,000 during Christ's Millennium. It's actually the 144,000 that reign with Jesus, along with those in Christ of the Gentiles in Rev.7. See Rev.14 about the 144,000 standing there with Jesus upon Mount Zion (Sion), and then compare with those in Rev.15.

8. You have the New Jerusalem with the time of Christ's coming, and you put that in the center which I don't think you meant that occurs at the mid point of the 7 years of Daniel's "one week". If you did mean that, then it means you maybe think to be raptured at that mid point, when there is no Scripture support for that idea.

The process of creating the new heavens and a new earth begins after Christ's thousand years reign, even though God's River and the Tree of Life will be established on earth prior, during the Millennium.
 
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Historicist view is too far fetched.

Besides,it requires most everything to be reduced to allegory
And the dispensationalist isn't? If I could edit a dictionary, this is what I'd add.


far-fetched
or farfetched [fahr-fecht]

adjective
1. improbable; not naturally pertinent; being only remotely connected; forced; strained:

He brought in a far-fetched example in an effort to prove his point.

2. dispensational eschatological view of Daniel's 70th week
 
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Re: DD the false prophet...

I actually could care less how old the Earth is. I could care less if there is a rapture before the tribulation in the middle of it or at the end of it. I could care less if their is a tribulation at all. My focus is on Christ and spreading the Gospel. I am watching this thread just out of curiosity. You weren't following what the OP was asking so I corrected you on it.

The initiator of this thread is a self-proclaimed prophet of God.

The irony that you overlook is why would ANY prophet of God need input from others, especially on some back-woods internet forum, regarding his understanding of Biblical prophecy?!!!

Get a grip...
 
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Re: DD the false prophet...

The initiator of this thread is a self-proclaimed prophet of God.

The irony that you overlook is why would ANY prophet of God need input from others, especially on some back-woods internet forum, regarding his understanding of Biblical prophecy?!!!

Get a grip...
this was his original post.

"If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate"

I have plenty of grip :)