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Exactly -- it must be the same as every other week in the 70 weeks. And, not averaged --- '1 day' = '1 year' for every day of every week of the 70 weeks - from start to finish...
Or ---> all 490 years came and went, unbroken.
There is no direct correlation ( in time ) between the 70th week of Daniel and 70 A.D. The end of the 70 weeks marks the end of the 'Times of the Jews' and the beginning of the 'Times of the Gentiles'. This mark in time was ~3.5 years after the crucifixion of Christ.
I would like to see any place in the Bible where it actually indicates a determined amount of time between the Abomination of Desolation and the Second Coming of Christ...
"Really? Where does it say that in the Bible?"
"Maybe, maybe not..."
"A lot of people sure like to imagine things the Bible does not actually say..."
Or ---> all 490 years came and went, unbroken.
There is no direct correlation ( in time ) between the 70th week of Daniel and 70 A.D. The end of the 70 weeks marks the end of the 'Times of the Jews' and the beginning of the 'Times of the Gentiles'. This mark in time was ~3.5 years after the crucifixion of Christ.
I would like to see any place in the Bible where it actually indicates a determined amount of time between the Abomination of Desolation and the Second Coming of Christ...
"Really? Where does it say that in the Bible?"
"Maybe, maybe not..."
"A lot of people sure like to imagine things the Bible does not actually say..."
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Re: DD the false prophet...
How many 'prophets of God' would ask for 'correction'.....?
That's right.
this was his original post.
"If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate"
I have plenty of grip
"If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate"
I have plenty of grip
How many 'prophets of God' would ask for 'correction'.....?
That's right.
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Yep.
I also think his deal involves him helping secure a temple. He is,remember,demonic,therefore insane.
I was saved in 1977,in a historicist church. They see themselves as hyper intelligencia. Their books are several inches thick.
Israel becoming a nation woke up the Berean
The historicist,in his mind,became more "clever"
Works well in their own circles.
I also think his deal involves him helping secure a temple. He is,remember,demonic,therefore insane.
I was saved in 1977,in a historicist church. They see themselves as hyper intelligencia. Their books are several inches thick.
Israel becoming a nation woke up the Berean
The historicist,in his mind,became more "clever"
Works well in their own circles.
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If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
Where on this diagram do you place the two witnesses?
Here's the 70 weeks described in the Septuagint. Kind of obvious what it's talking about.
As far as the new covenant being confirmed to Israel after the messiah was cut off in the midst of the 70th week.
And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince [there shall be] seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then [the time] shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted.
And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint [the city] to desolations.
And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away [through the cross]: and on the temple [shall be] the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation. Daniel 9:25-27
And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint [the city] to desolations.
And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away [through the cross]: and on the temple [shall be] the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation. Daniel 9:25-27
As far as the new covenant being confirmed to Israel after the messiah was cut off in the midst of the 70th week.
how will we escape [if we] neglect so great a salvation which had [its] beginning [when it] was spoken through the Lord [and] was confirmed to us [Israel] by those who heard [i.e., the apostles], Hebrews 2:3
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That's right, Jesus was anointed and went in the strength of the Holy Spirit and preached the gospel, and the New Covenant was put into force after he died and was resurrected, then the apostles received power from on high to preach the gospel by the same Spirit of Truth to fulfill the final week of that prophecy.
Jesus did confirm (H1396) bring into force or strengthen the New Covenant with many in the final week of that prophecy.
To confirm a Covenant means to strengthen it (of force) which happened in the 70th week as it is written.... Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."
The word confirm (H1396) in Daniel 9:27 is also shown as strengthen
The KJV translates Strongs H1396 in the following manner: prevail (14x), strengthen (3x), great (2x), confirm (1x), exceeded (1x), mighty (1x), put (1x), stronger (1x), valiant (1x).
Bible Usage...
to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
And he shall confirm [SUP]H1396[/SUP] the covenant [SUP]H1285[/SUP] with many [SUP]H7227[/SUP] for one [SUP]H259[/SUP] week: [SUP]H7620[/SUP] and in the midst [SUP]H2677[/SUP] of the week [SUP]H7620[/SUP] he shall cause the sacrifice [SUP]H2077[/SUP] and the oblation [SUP]H4503[/SUP] to cease, [SUP]H7673[/SUP] and for the overspreading [SUP]H3671[/SUP] of abominations [SUP]H8251[/SUP] he shall make it desolate, [SUP]H8074[/SUP] even until the consummation, [SUP]H3617[/SUP] and that determined [SUP]H2782[/SUP] shall be poured [SUP]H5413[/SUP] upon the desolate. [SUP]H8074
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Jesus did confirm (H1396) bring into force or strengthen the New Covenant with many in the final week of that prophecy.
To confirm a Covenant means to strengthen it (of force) which happened in the 70th week as it is written.... Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."
The word confirm (H1396) in Daniel 9:27 is also shown as strengthen
The KJV translates Strongs H1396 in the following manner: prevail (14x), strengthen (3x), great (2x), confirm (1x), exceeded (1x), mighty (1x), put (1x), stronger (1x), valiant (1x).
Bible Usage...
to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
(Qal)- to be strong, mighty
- to prevail
- (Piel) to make strong, strengthen
And he shall confirm [SUP]H1396[/SUP] the covenant [SUP]H1285[/SUP] with many [SUP]H7227[/SUP] for one [SUP]H259[/SUP] week: [SUP]H7620[/SUP] and in the midst [SUP]H2677[/SUP] of the week [SUP]H7620[/SUP] he shall cause the sacrifice [SUP]H2077[/SUP] and the oblation [SUP]H4503[/SUP] to cease, [SUP]H7673[/SUP] and for the overspreading [SUP]H3671[/SUP] of abominations [SUP]H8251[/SUP] he shall make it desolate, [SUP]H8074[/SUP] even until the consummation, [SUP]H3617[/SUP] and that determined [SUP]H2782[/SUP] shall be poured [SUP]H5413[/SUP] upon the desolate. [SUP]H8074
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Let me add this concerning the Prince (Messiah) in Daniel 9:27 who caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease.
It is written.....
Psalm 40:6 “Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.”
Psalm 51:16 “For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.”
Isaiah 1:11 “To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.”
Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.”
Mark 12:33 “And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
Notice what Jesus came to do....
Hebrews 10:1-10 “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
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3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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7 [/SUP]Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.[SUP]10 [/SUP]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” (confirm= establish)
This is exactly what Messiah the Prince did in the last week of Daniels 70 week prophecy. Jesus was crucified in the middle of the last week, causing the need for animal sacrifice and offerings to cease, taking away the carnal ordinances of the first Covenant, and establishing the New Covenant. Jesus also declared to Jerusalem before he was crucified their house was left to them desolate.
Daniel 9:27 “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
It is written.....
Psalm 40:6 “Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.”
Psalm 51:16 “For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.”
Isaiah 1:11 “To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.”
Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.”
Mark 12:33 “And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
Notice what Jesus came to do....
Hebrews 10:1-10 “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
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3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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7 [/SUP]Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.[SUP]10 [/SUP]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” (confirm= establish)
This is exactly what Messiah the Prince did in the last week of Daniels 70 week prophecy. Jesus was crucified in the middle of the last week, causing the need for animal sacrifice and offerings to cease, taking away the carnal ordinances of the first Covenant, and establishing the New Covenant. Jesus also declared to Jerusalem before he was crucified their house was left to them desolate.
Daniel 9:27 “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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At least - it does not make referrence to the Great Tribulation Period [ directly, as a whole ].
Daniel 9:
[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I believe that these phrases are "technically" associated with the Great Tribulation Period - since most of these phrases are referring to the destruction of the temple and the 70 A.D. 'aftermath' - which [ essentially ] mark the beginning of the Great Tribulation Period. ( I believe that the Abomination of Desolation occurred circa 70 A.D. )
However, the "one week" in verse 27 does not specifically refer to - nor define - the Great Tribulation Period.
In other words, there is [ only ] a "mere mention" in this passage - by association ( not by definition ) - of the Great Tribulation Period.
"Just because the word 'abominations' is present in this passage - does not mean that Mathew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are referring to this passage."
( Mathew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are referring to the passages of Daniel 11:31; 12:11. )
'the abomination of desolation' ==> 'the abomination that maketh desolate'
The phrase "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" is not what Mathew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are referring to.
Daniel 9:
[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I believe that these phrases are "technically" associated with the Great Tribulation Period - since most of these phrases are referring to the destruction of the temple and the 70 A.D. 'aftermath' - which [ essentially ] mark the beginning of the Great Tribulation Period. ( I believe that the Abomination of Desolation occurred circa 70 A.D. )
However, the "one week" in verse 27 does not specifically refer to - nor define - the Great Tribulation Period.
In other words, there is [ only ] a "mere mention" in this passage - by association ( not by definition ) - of the Great Tribulation Period.
"Just because the word 'abominations' is present in this passage - does not mean that Mathew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are referring to this passage."
( Mathew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are referring to the passages of Daniel 11:31; 12:11. )
'the abomination of desolation' ==> 'the abomination that maketh desolate'
The phrase "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" is not what Mathew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are referring to.
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How can anyone think that this is not talking about Christ's manifestation to Israel to take away sin?
Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people, and upon the holy city, for sin to be ended, and to seal up transgressions, and to blot out the iniquities, and to make atonement for iniquities, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy. Daniel 9:24
It is because they have believed the lies spoken by the many deceivers the apostles and Jesus said would come in his name, and did come, and are still present working in many. This spirit working in them is the spirit of a lie, the false prophet spirit, aka "little horn" aka "tail of the Dragon" aka "spirit of antichrist" aka "it".
We were told that many of the saints would be overcome by all the lies from this lying spirit working in many deceivers. This is the spiritual war that was spoken of, and the flood of lies that would come out of the mouth of the Serpent trying to overtake the seed of the woman (heavenly Jerusalem)
Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Revelation 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Daniel 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;"
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
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24 [/SUP]And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."
Revelation 13:7“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Isaiah 51:16-23 "And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 17:13-14 "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."
Unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
We were told that many of the saints would be overcome by all the lies from this lying spirit working in many deceivers. This is the spiritual war that was spoken of, and the flood of lies that would come out of the mouth of the Serpent trying to overtake the seed of the woman (heavenly Jerusalem)
Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Revelation 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Daniel 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;"
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
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24 [/SUP]And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."
Revelation 13:7“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Isaiah 51:16-23 "And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 17:13-14 "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."
Unto the end of the war desolations are determined.