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Antichrist spirit has come as is written, and is still here working in many deceivers. Flying scorpions? LOL You must mean the locust army with the power in their tails.
I'm not going to get into a big debate on the book of Revelation right now, not really feeling like beating my head against a brick wall. LOL
But if anybody is interested I have a study on the whole book of Revelation at The Revelation - The Way
I'm not going to get into a big debate on the book of Revelation right now, not really feeling like beating my head against a brick wall. LOL
But if anybody is interested I have a study on the whole book of Revelation at The Revelation - The Way
Most all the imagery in the book of Revelation is very symbolic, and the clues to figure out the meanings are found in many different parts of scripture. It is only by the Holy Spirit that one can come to understand what all that imagery is showing.
Though a lot of the imagery has a deeper spiritual meaning, the prophecies have been, and will be fulfilled in a physical sense as well, just maybe not as man sees them, but as God sees them.
Though a lot of the imagery has a deeper spiritual meaning, the prophecies have been, and will be fulfilled in a physical sense as well, just maybe not as man sees them, but as God sees them.
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There is no mention any where in scripture of a 7 year tribulation, none. Also Messiah was crucified AFTER the 69 weeks were fulfilled in the middle of the 70th week, as 70 comes AFTER 69. 
The Stephen getting stoned thinggy will have to suffice huh?
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If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
I could show scripture "all day long"; however, if people are only going to misinterpret that scripture --- what good is it...???
If people have "made up their mind" that they are unwilling to "let go of" the 70th-week-of-Daniel-is-the-7-year-tribulation-period teaching -- what good is it if I show scripture - if they are only going to continue to misinterpet it...???
I have shown scripture before...
Anyone who is not willing to temporarily "suspend" what they have been taught - and seriously consider a different point of view -- is not going to benefit...
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"Sorry Dave --- virtually all of it is wrong..."
I could show scripture "all day long"; however, if people are only going to misinterpret that scripture --- what good is it...???
If people have "made up their mind" that they are unwilling to "let go of" the 70th-week-of-Daniel-is-the-7-year-tribulation-period teaching -- what good is it if I show scripture - if they are only going to continue to misinterpet it...???
I have shown scripture before...
Anyone who is not willing to temporarily "suspend" what they have been taught - and seriously consider a different point of view -- is not going to benefit...
I could show scripture "all day long"; however, if people are only going to misinterpret that scripture --- what good is it...???
If people have "made up their mind" that they are unwilling to "let go of" the 70th-week-of-Daniel-is-the-7-year-tribulation-period teaching -- what good is it if I show scripture - if they are only going to continue to misinterpet it...???
I have shown scripture before...
Anyone who is not willing to temporarily "suspend" what they have been taught - and seriously consider a different point of view -- is not going to benefit...
But....but.....DD is a self-proclaimed prophet of God.....how can he be wrong?!
Rotflol....
Well then, let me show you how we can deduce that Dan.9:27 has to do with the tribulation. When we cross-reference Dan.9:27 with Mt.24:15, where Jesus quotes Dan.9:27, he includes it as part of his answer to his disciples regarding the signs of tribulation that would lead up to his return to the earth and which ends the age.
"when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Therefore, since Jesus included the setting up of the abomination as part of the signs leading up to his return and the end of the age. And we know that this event takes place in the middle of that seven year period, and he said that time would be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again, then we know that the setting up of the abomination takes place at the beginning of the great tribulation period, which is that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ's return. The setting of the abomination is also when that antichrist stands in the temple and proclaims himself to be God..
Therefore in response to your claim above, taking into consideration the information contained in Dan.9:27 and Jesus reference to the setting up of the abomination which begins that time of great distress, then we know that Dan.9:27 takes place during the tribulation period and is in fact the time of Jacob's trouble prophesied in Jer.30:7 and which is what Matthew 24 is describing leading up to the Lord's return to end that age.
"when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Therefore, since Jesus included the setting up of the abomination as part of the signs leading up to his return and the end of the age. And we know that this event takes place in the middle of that seven year period, and he said that time would be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again, then we know that the setting up of the abomination takes place at the beginning of the great tribulation period, which is that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ's return. The setting of the abomination is also when that antichrist stands in the temple and proclaims himself to be God..
Therefore in response to your claim above, taking into consideration the information contained in Dan.9:27 and Jesus reference to the setting up of the abomination which begins that time of great distress, then we know that Dan.9:27 takes place during the tribulation period and is in fact the time of Jacob's trouble prophesied in Jer.30:7 and which is what Matthew 24 is describing leading up to the Lord's return to end that age.
"Sorry Dave --- virtually all of it is wrong..."
I could show scripture "all day long"; however, if people are only going to misinterpret that scripture --- what good is it...???
If people have "made up their mind" that they are unwilling to "let go of" the 70th-week-of-Daniel-is-the-7-year-tribulation-period teaching -- what good is it if I show scripture - if they are only going to continue to misinterpet it...???
I have shown scripture before...
Anyone who is not willing to temporarily "suspend" what they have been taught - and seriously consider a different point of view -- is not going to benefit...
I could show scripture "all day long"; however, if people are only going to misinterpret that scripture --- what good is it...???
If people have "made up their mind" that they are unwilling to "let go of" the 70th-week-of-Daniel-is-the-7-year-tribulation-period teaching -- what good is it if I show scripture - if they are only going to continue to misinterpet it...???
I have shown scripture before...
Anyone who is not willing to temporarily "suspend" what they have been taught - and seriously consider a different point of view -- is not going to benefit...
In response to your claim, do you have any political leader who has made a seven year covenant with Israel? Do you have the fulfillment of the setting up of the abomination that causes the desolation? From the setting up of the abomination, Jesus referred this as the time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the creation of the world, until now and never to be equaled again. Has this been fulfilled? Also, that seven year period is directly linked to the return of the Lord to end the age and to dismantle all human government in preparation for his millennial kingdom. That being said, anyone who claims that the seven years has already taken place is in error and that because the Lord has not returned to the earth.
The only way that people attempt to get around this fact, is by distorting and circumventing scripture. The destruction of the temple, though terrible to the Jews, hardly fits the bill as that time of great distress that Jesus spoke of, for it includes the entire earth and is what the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments represent. For regarding that time of distress, Jesus said that, if those days of trouble had not be cut short, no one would be left alive on the earth and we have not seen anything remotely close to that description. Also, those who try to claim this preterist and amil junk, have to assign allegories or historical events to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and by doing so, they reduce the wrath of God to uneventful, passive events.
The short answer is, whenever that abomination is set up, then the Lord's return will follow a little over 3 1/2 years later, as that last seven years is directly linked to Christ's physical, visual, return to the earth.
Hi Tanakh,
In answer to your question, it is impossible for the book of Revelation to not be included as the last book of God's word. Consider the following:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
Do you actually think that since God the Father gave this information contained in the book of Revelation to Jesus Christ to show his servants that things that must soon take place, that God does not have the power to make sure that this book became apart of his word? That he left that decision up to mankind? As you can see from the scripture above, God pronounces a blessing upon those who read the words of Revelation and those who hear it and take to heart the information written therein. Consider the following:
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."
Based on the warnings above, do you think that this is a book that could possibly not make its way into God's word? Do you think that the word of God is in man's control? Or has God in his Sovereignty, made sure that we have his word because he wanted us to have it? Most definitely! This is a book, with all of its end-time information, that God wanted us to have. And he did not leave the decision up to mankind.
Here is a reminder of our God: nothing in all creation is hidden from him. All things are laid bare and open before him. Even the very hairs of our heads are all number. All things are possible for him and nothing is impossible for him. He is the One who searches the hearts and the minds.
God wants us to study this information contained in Revelation, as well as the rest of his word and he blesses those who diligently seek out the answers to the deeper things of God..
In answer to your question, it is impossible for the book of Revelation to not be included as the last book of God's word. Consider the following:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
Do you actually think that since God the Father gave this information contained in the book of Revelation to Jesus Christ to show his servants that things that must soon take place, that God does not have the power to make sure that this book became apart of his word? That he left that decision up to mankind? As you can see from the scripture above, God pronounces a blessing upon those who read the words of Revelation and those who hear it and take to heart the information written therein. Consider the following:
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."
Based on the warnings above, do you think that this is a book that could possibly not make its way into God's word? Do you think that the word of God is in man's control? Or has God in his Sovereignty, made sure that we have his word because he wanted us to have it? Most definitely! This is a book, with all of its end-time information, that God wanted us to have. And he did not leave the decision up to mankind.
Here is a reminder of our God: nothing in all creation is hidden from him. All things are laid bare and open before him. Even the very hairs of our heads are all number. All things are possible for him and nothing is impossible for him. He is the One who searches the hearts and the minds.
God wants us to study this information contained in Revelation, as well as the rest of his word and he blesses those who diligently seek out the answers to the deeper things of God..
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Popeye is correct, flying scorpions. For scripture gives us a detailed account of these beings:
* They come out of the Abyss, which is the same place that those demonic beings collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into.
* They resemble locusts and have wings
* They look like horses prepared for battle with breast-plates of iron
* They have faces that resemble human faces
* They have hair like women's hair
* They have teeth like lion's teeth
* They have tails and stingers like that of scorpions
* They are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months with those stings
* They have as their king, the angel of the Abyss, who is that same beast who will proclaim himself to be God and who will kill the two witnesses when he comes up out of the Abyss.
These are demonic beings that will be let out of the Abyss at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. To interpret them or any of the seals, trumpets and the bowl judgments as symbolic, is to distort the meaning that God meant to convey to us. For these judgments are how God is going to carry out his time of wrath. And to answer your question from a previous post, Yes! Those two witnesses will literally kill anyone who tries to kill them before their time of prophecy is up with fire that will literally come from their mouths. And if you think that is far-fetched, then I would remind you that during their time of prophecy, God gives them power to turn the waters into blood, to keep it from raining and to bring whatever plagues they want, as many times as they want. Therefore, literal fire coming from their mouths is not something so hard to believe, especially since it will be by the power of God.
As I have said before and continue to say, one of the biggest problems, besides people being deceived and adopting the teachings of false teachers, is that people don't understand the magnitude and severity of these literal judgments of wrath that will be taking place during that last seven years leading up to Christ's return to end the age.
* They come out of the Abyss, which is the same place that those demonic beings collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into.
* They resemble locusts and have wings
* They look like horses prepared for battle with breast-plates of iron
* They have faces that resemble human faces
* They have hair like women's hair
* They have teeth like lion's teeth
* They have tails and stingers like that of scorpions
* They are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months with those stings
* They have as their king, the angel of the Abyss, who is that same beast who will proclaim himself to be God and who will kill the two witnesses when he comes up out of the Abyss.
These are demonic beings that will be let out of the Abyss at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. To interpret them or any of the seals, trumpets and the bowl judgments as symbolic, is to distort the meaning that God meant to convey to us. For these judgments are how God is going to carry out his time of wrath. And to answer your question from a previous post, Yes! Those two witnesses will literally kill anyone who tries to kill them before their time of prophecy is up with fire that will literally come from their mouths. And if you think that is far-fetched, then I would remind you that during their time of prophecy, God gives them power to turn the waters into blood, to keep it from raining and to bring whatever plagues they want, as many times as they want. Therefore, literal fire coming from their mouths is not something so hard to believe, especially since it will be by the power of God.
As I have said before and continue to say, one of the biggest problems, besides people being deceived and adopting the teachings of false teachers, is that people don't understand the magnitude and severity of these literal judgments of wrath that will be taking place during that last seven years leading up to Christ's return to end the age.
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Jesus clarifies what He meant in the Gospel of Luke as it is written:
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
this fulfills Daniel notice the similar language.
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
and Matthew:
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
So Jesus explains the symbol as Rome surrounding Jerusalem. This matches with Daniel as Jesus said:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
So lets ask ourselves. Did Rome destroy the city and the temple some time after Jesus had died as He was the one who was cut off for our sins not for himself. Answer: Yes Rome did exactly as Jesus said and surrounded Jerusalem and eventually destroyed the city and the temple.
Already fulfilled.
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
this fulfills Daniel notice the similar language.
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
and Matthew:
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
So Jesus explains the symbol as Rome surrounding Jerusalem. This matches with Daniel as Jesus said:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
So lets ask ourselves. Did Rome destroy the city and the temple some time after Jesus had died as He was the one who was cut off for our sins not for himself. Answer: Yes Rome did exactly as Jesus said and surrounded Jerusalem and eventually destroyed the city and the temple.
Already fulfilled.
Ahwatukee, If you couldn't receive what I said in my "Mother of Harlots" thread, then you still will not be able to receive any correction in this thread either.
I'm not going to go back and forth in endless debate with all those who cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit of God.
Here is why.....
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I'm not going to go back and forth in endless debate with all those who cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit of God.
Here is why.....
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.