Revelation

[ChristInUs]

Im not asking you I am asking the one who said one equals the other, but thats my fault because I didnt adress Plainword, I over posted you rather then get in behind him

Okay, my bad i will keep silent and let the respondent answer the post. I was just trying to help.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Okay, my bad i will keep silent and let the respondent answer the post. I was just trying to help.

No problem, I understand, just trying to catch two opposing views and question their own equals in stuff.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There is a reason for that, we are told it is in a specific geographic region. Please pay close attention to what Daniel says and what he refers to as "the Beasts from the Sea."

Dan 7 (Truncated for effect):

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The first was like a lion... [SUP]5 [/SUP]“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear...

[SUP]6 [/SUP]“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard...

Where does John say the Beast of the Sea comes from (Rev 13:2)

And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea... [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

Surely you can see a perfect match?? What region is this?

Pay attention....4th and final beast made up of all previous 3 beasts (lion, bear, leopard)= world wide beast. (Rev 13)

Daniel 7:23[SUP]23 [/SUP]Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."

Like I said, it's global. Peace

 

[DesiredHaven]

Pay attention....4th and final beast made up of all previous 3 beasts (lion, bear, leopard)= world wide beast. (Rev 13)

Daniel 7:23[SUP]23 [/SUP]Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."

Like I said, it's global. Peace

I believe Plainword said,

"It is not global at the start. It starting right where John says it would!!"

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Rev 18:12-13 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Why would wine= oil

When wine and oil can be shown separately?

I dont get it

Her wine is not crude oil. LOL It's the wine of her fornication=ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Revelation 17:2
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

 

[ChristInUs]

If your faith is in the cross it makes no never mind.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Her wine is not crude oil. LOL It's the wine of her fornication=ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Revelation 17:2
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Hey... "Im asking the questions here"!

Im starting to learn the importance of naming whose name, now scurry along, I need PlainWords answer for oil= wine when obviously the scriptures can name both.

I didnt think you could get drunk on heating fuel anyway, but I have to ask lol

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I believe Plainword said,

"It is not global at the start. It starting right where John says it would!!"

The focus from the start has always been around Israel and Jerusalem and the surrounding nations. But he is implying this.....

Plainword said "Once you understand that the "SEA" is the Northern Islamic Group and that the "Earth" is the Southern Islamic Groups then you can understand that we are talking about a regional conflict which does spill over in the form of terrorism, but most of Revelation is regional. The Earth is NOT the whole world. Daniel discusses the King of the North and South which John calls "Sea" and "Earth" in Rev 13. The North (SEA) wishes to impose its radical form of Islam on the moderates to the South (Earth).

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The sea in scripture is usually symbolic of "all nations, peoples and tongues"= many waters= global... not just the middle east area.

 

[DesiredHaven]

The focus from the start has always been around Israel and Jerusalem and the surrounding nations. But he is implying this.....

Plainword said "Once you understand that the "SEA" is the Northern Islamic Group and that the "Earth" is the Southern Islamic Groups then you can understand that we are talking about a regional conflict which does spill over in the form of terrorism, but most of Revelation is regional. The Earth is NOT the whole world. Daniel discusses the King of the North and South which John calls "Sea" and "Earth" in Rev 13. The North (SEA) wishes to impose its radical form of Islam on the moderates to the South (Earth).

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The sea in scripture is usually symbolic of "all nations, peoples and tongues"= many waters= global... no just the middle east area.

This stuff just gets worst when folks do their this =this

and that = this

and this and that (and this)

But I did want to make sure you got that part (as I am following as I am able)

And Ill be lost really soon (as you know) and then I will scurry along LOL

You know I am a fencesitter two ways, its always good to have another fence to sit on, the more fences the more fun it all becomes lol

 

[ChristInUs]

Hey... "Im asking the questions here"!

Im starting to learn the importance of naming whose name, now scurry along, I need PlainWords answer for oil= wine when obviously the scriptures can name both.

I didnt think you could get drunk on heating fuel anyway, but I have to ask lol

I had a freind that drink a pint of gasoline by accident and he was tow up for two days.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I had a freind that drink a pint of gasoline by accident and he was tow up for two days.

Normal people ChristInUs, not your freinds (lol)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hey... "Im asking the questions here"!

Im starting to learn the importance of naming whose name, now scurry along, I need PlainWords answer for oil= wine when obviously the scriptures can name both.

I didnt think you could get drunk on heating fuel anyway, but I have to ask lol

Your right, I should scurry along....these debates never seem to get anywhere, just round and round we go. LOL

Think I'll stick to fishing for fishes, I seem to be better at it. Over and out, Peace.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Your right, I should scurry along....these debates never seem to get anywhere, just round and round we go. LOL

Think I'll stick to fishing for fishes, I seem to be better at it. Over and out, Peace.

Yeah, I think it is is sorta futile, I hear ya.

I always regret entering into these, this is my last

Enjoy fishin'
(man Im jealous, I love to fish)

Peace (and Hugs)

 

[ChristInUs]

Normal people ChristInUs, not your freinds (lol)

Naw His son had a Remote truck and put the gas in an empty beer bottled and his dad turned it up not knowing it was gasoline.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Naw His son had a Remote truck and put the gas in an empty beer bottled and his dad turned it up not knowing it was gasoline.

Youve gotta be kidding me as soon as that touches your lips you would vomit, but a whole pint?

My sister would tell me her and her best freind got drunk on the fumes of gas (when we were young and stupid) by sniffing gasoline in the dirtbikes they would ride.

Maybe scripts mean drunk on the fumes of the oil of the wine of my wrath, or somethin; like that? lol

 

[ChristInUs]

Youve gotta be kidding me as soon as that touches your lips you would vomit, but a whole pint?

My sister would tell me her and her best freind got drunk on the fumes of gas (when we were young and stupid) by sniffing gasoline in the dirtbikes they would ride.

Maybe scripts mean drunk on the fumes of the oil of the wine of my wrath, or somethin; like that? lol

He guzzled his beer and turned up the bottle of gasoline and guzzled it. I'm not kidding or making a joke. We tried to get him to the hosdpital but he refused. But after two days He was okay. You know if you eat Margin its its the same as drinking gasoline. It comes from the same stuff crude oil.

 

[DesiredHaven]

He guzzled his beer and turned up the bottle of gasoline and guzzled it. I'm not kidding or making a joke. We tried to get him to the hosdpital but he refused. But after two days He was okay. You know if you eat Margin its its the same as drinking gasoline. It comes from the same stuff crude oil.

Im so not qualified for this conversation lol

 

[dcontroversal]

Rev 18:12-13 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Why would wine= oil

When wine and oil can be shown separately?

I dont get it

I think context dictates they are different.....and it is listed in the merchandise which means exactly that..it is a commodity....what product more than anything on the planet keeps the industrial, mechanical revolution and world moving.....just a thought to ponder.......

The MERCHANTS of the earth that trade by sea are made rich by HER.......What country purchases more than most of the world and most things have to be shipped there by the sea in massive cargo container ships.....just a thought to ponder

What City on the planet sets the pace for the rest of the world when it comes to monetary value, trade, markets etc....just a thought to ponder....

You know I was In Australia for 51 days over the last 4-5 months......their money as well as the rest of the currencies of the world fluctuated every day based upon which currency and market? Just a thought to ponder.......

and on and on and on

 

[DesiredHaven]

I think context dictates they are different.....and it is listed in the merchandise which means exactly that..it is a commodity....what product more than anything on the planet keeps the industrial, mechanical revolution and world moving.....just a thought to ponder.......

The MERCHANTS of the earth that trade by sea are made rich by HER.......What country purchases more than most of the world and most things have to be shipped there by the sea in massive cargo container ships.....just a thought to ponder

What City on the planet sets the pace for the rest of the world when it comes to monetary value, trade, markets etc....just a thought to ponder....

You know I was In Australia for 51 days over the last 4-5 months......their money as well as the rest of the currencies of the world fluctuated every day based upon which currency and market? Just a thought to ponder.......

and on and on and on

I agree with you on stressing the merchants. The thing is that the scriptures can put a difference between oil and wine in respects to merchandise, so why not rather say, drunk or intoxicated with the oil of her fornication or something like that?

Know what I mean jelly bean?

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree with you on stressing the merchants. The thing is that the scriptures can put a difference between oil and wine in respects to merchandise, so why not rather say, drunk or intoxicated with the oil of her fornication or something like that?

Know what I mean jelly bean?

Oh I agree for sure..........and the things listed ALLEVIATE the majority of views because the list given do not apply unto the majority of views given........