Revelation

[popeye]

Does it not say that Israel in the flesh will go all the way through in the flesh and then repopulates the waste cities of Israel during the 1000 year reign? So I take it like the following....

1. All who take the mark are killed in God's wrath
2. Israel goes thru in the flesh and repopulates the waste cities of Israel and maybe the planet
3. The saved in Christ are resurrected/changed and taken out while the wrath is being poured out
4. God protects Israel during the wrath as it is directed at all of the nations that have been gathered against Israel

1. All who take the mark are killed in God's wrath

Verses..........?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already know you believe all is not all .

Here are those verses you are prohibited from reading for some bizarre reason

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.... and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed................16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Now,ask yourself,why do postribs not know such a basic thing as this?

so who is going to enter the kingdom if he kills all believers?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Verses..........?

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

 

[popeye]

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war.


...............And the rest were killed with the sword


Meaning;"the rest of the army".........not all earths inhbitants

Context is John behollding the battlefield,not the entire globe.

 

[dcontroversal]

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Self evident for sure........everybody who takes the mark will not make it past the above scriptures......judged, condemned, killed and cast into the burning flame..........what blows my mind about that is that God will strong delusion (Thessalonians) and ALL who will not receive the love of the truth will be damned (judged) when they believe a (the) lie......

 

[popeye]

so who is going to enter the kingdom if he kills all believers?

The jewish remnant is ushered away to safety,but the gt is in essence a time of jacob's trouble (jacob is israel)

The populates earth thinggy is a separate issue IMO

 

[popeye]

Self evident for sure........everybody who takes the mark will not make it past the above scriptures......judged, condemned, killed and cast into the burning flame..........what blows my mind about that is that God will strong delusion (Thessalonians) and ALL who will not receive the love of the truth will be damned (judged) when they believe a (the) lie......

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everybody who takes the mark will not make it past the above scriptures......judged, condemned, killed and cast into the burning flame.

Nope,context is the battlefield not the planet.

 

[dcontroversal]

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Nope,context is the battlefield not the planet.

Keep believing that...........2nd Thessalonians 2 states clearly that they ALL might be DAMNED.......context is the MAN of SIN being revealed that those who will not receive the love of the truth believing the lie.......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The jewish remnant is ushered away to safety,but the gt is in essence a time of jacob's trouble (jacob is israel)

The populates earth thinggy is a separate issue IMO

no it is not. If all who believe are killed in tribulation. even if it is accept isreal. then alot of OT prophesies would not be fulfilled. because they could not.

Ez 37: [SUP]28 [/SUP]The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”’”

There would be no nations, only Israel

Zech 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year toworship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

There would be no one left from these nations, for according to you. they would all have been killed by the beast.

 

[Chica]

I don't think he did, I think he only had visions given him by Christ the Revelator.

Hey John, Yeah me too, but for some reason Phil112 read into it that John went to heaven. (v.10) only says that John heard a voice behind him.

 

[Enga]

Only if we recevie the Holy Spirit then we will be able to understand what happend to John when he was at the Island. We will not be confused.

 

[phil112]

Hey John, Yeah me too, but for some reason Phil112 read into it that John went to heaven. (v.10) only says that John heard a voice behind him.

You aren't comprehending what you're reading............"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

John saw a door open to heaven and then he was immediately in the spirit. The rest of what he saw was from a first person viewpoint. He was transported thru that portal to heaven to view what God put before him. When he was in the spirit in chapter one he was on this earth. There is very clearly a distinction in those two events. You need to read the OP again and dwell on it. Two very separate events.

Seriously, what do you think "come up hither" means?

 

[Reborn]

You aren't comprehending what you're reading............"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

John saw a door open to heaven and then he was immediately in the spirit. The rest of what he saw was from a first person viewpoint. He was transported thru that portal to heaven to view what God put before him. When he was in the spirit in chapter one he was on this earth. There is very clearly a distinction in those two events. You need to read the OP again and dwell on it. Two very separate events.

Seriously, what do you think "come up hither" means?

Speaking of which?

Which leads to, .....and use to confuse me?

Revelation 11:12 ( The 6th Trumpet/ 2nd Woe)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

Yet?, .....the 7th Trumpet comes next, and some just ascended in the 6th trumpet/2nd woe?

2 times? Back to back trumpets? Just the two witnesses?


I mean, ........what's that about?

 

[pem]

No I see you can tell I am human, tall, from Missouri and......

God inspired the adjectives and nouns that describe his character and nature......so what is your problem with the inspired word of God.....?

Like so many here on this forum Willie-T is a gnostic/arminian

 

[pem]

This is interesting because it reflects some of what we went into this weekend.....

A major flaw of so much theology is that it begins with abstract notions of God, filling out divinity with metaphysical terminology. One can see an example of this in the Westminster Confession (1647) that our new friend mentioned, where God is described, not with reference to saving acts in history, but as a series of adjectives and nouns:

“There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and with all most just and terrible in his judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty.”

So abstract has God become that in describing God there is no mention of the specific, final, authoritative revelation of God’s character in Jesus.

Lest one think that the centuries old Westminster Confession has lost its influence, Rick Warren in his best selling The Purpose Driven Life suggests the same thing. By contrast, the Bible does not begin with an abstract God in relation to an abstract humanity, it begins with the relation of a specific God (Creator of all that is) to a specific person, Abram, and then to a specific people, Israel, and finally to a specific person, Jesus.

Now this is not to say that all of the above quote from Westminster might not be true but it misses the biblical trajectory of history and narrative. That is, it doesn’t tell the story of how God has acted. It fails to observe that God’s being is revealed in God’s acts, most notably the act of the incarnation, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus. One of the key aspects of contemporary work on Jesus is the recognition that there is a deep connection between character and behavior. To experience a person, how they act toward you is to know them. We know who Jesus is by how he acted. Moreover, the early Christians made the bold claim that God has acted (thus revealing God’s self) definitively in Jesus.

Utter nonsense - you should study instead of writing such gnostic, liberal, higher critical, post-modern, arminian and Antichristian posts . (Revelation 18:4).

 

[pem]

all premill is private interpretation - Dispensational premill zionism (jesuit intrique)is a cult of Satan ( Revelation 18:4) just as the Roman Catholic Church is

 

[pem]

God released you from nothing. Your antisemitism clouded your mind and your spirit so you could no longer see the truth.

.... and I give him the rest of the day, and that's being generous.

How do you know i am not a Jew ? Or my wife ? Your assumptions regarding me are the same as your assumption concerning scripture. You will destroy yourself with your private interpretations ( 2 Peter 1:20 ) in the same way you are serving two masters (Christ & Zionism) Matthew 6:20 . You teach and spread lies ( Revelation 18:4 ) Repent and trust in The Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture - not the jesus of Antichristian zionism ( 2 Corinthians 11:14 )

 

[pem]

I spent about two months making a Chronology of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse thru prayer and by comparing Scripture with Scripture and by looking at what other Bible believing Christians have said. Thru the process of creating my chronology, I was constantly re-arranging it based on the light of what Scripture said. While I believe it is how things will more than likely play out, I am not claiming to be the guy who has all Truth on the matter. For I am very open to what other believers have to say on my chronology and I would welcome their suggestions if I feel they have lots of Scripture to share concernig it (So as to be convincing). Now, I do need to say it is a very very large chronology and I have created commentaries (With Scripture in many cases) to explain where I am coming from. Howver, if you are interested, you can check that out here:

ECT Chronology of Revelation & the Olivet Discourse, etc. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Anyways, may the Lord come quickly.
God bless you all.
And please be well.

I just read it and agree with the person who first commented on it- utter unscriptural man-made nonsense .

 

[pem]

Only if you have a cream filled one HAH......The problem is simple....people automatically assume attitude and or anger when you cannot see facial expression, tone and or body language........What I said is the truth and he and I go around a lot based upon his (salvation lite) doctrine which he has actually named and preaches.....for the record for all to read...I do not hate anyone, I know I say very pointed things just as everyone does in here when addressing particular posts and or threads.... I might use ignorant which is not bad word and means to not know, rarely I use moronic and or stupid and if it is really bad I will say stOOpid (yes I know it is spelled wrong) I have had heat directed at me and did not cry about it, whine about it...I have had people disagree with me some easy and some in a most vehement way without crying about it.....this is a forum where subjects can be heated at times...not being easily offended is a sign of spiritual maturity......and sometimes even Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, Elijah responded in ways that used sarcasm and heat.....it takes all kinds and God uses all kinds....so let us all not be so easily offended and if we cannot stand a little heat in a chat room how in the world can we expect to stand really being persecuted for the cause of Christ.....

Quite right. Christ talks about Hell more than Heaven and we should tell every hell-bound sinner who hold to man-made doctrine to repent in any manner that God has given us to do so . Modern speak this is called "tough-love" . Americans(some) are so " Politically Correct" ( cultural communism) they are frightened of their own shadow ! If we dont expose heresies such as arminian synergist dispensational zionism within the Church, then we are all guilty and have their blood on our hands (Ezekiel 33).

Why are there so many heresies ? Those of us who have been indoctrinated by Satan and freed in the blood of Christ are the ones who really understand what heresies are ( 1 Corinthians 11:19 kjv)

Here is a list of some of my past blasphemies :


Arminian ( synergist idolatry of Pride with no idea of God)
Rapture Cult (Hal lindsay & end-time fiction )
Zionist (Antichrist doctrine)
Baptist (arminain variety )
Baptist ( Strict & Particular aka Gospel Standard baptists ) {Baptist sect(s) are man-made only 500 years old}



Now i am saved by the Grace of God simply because God willed it so - The Lord can lead us in a roundabout way to the finality of His Truth ( Genesis 1-Revelation 22 kjv)

 

[pem]

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