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kennethcadwell

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Not to mention Joshua did when they suffered a defeat at Ai
That was not the common tradition of morning in Judaism, that may have been done but would not have been mentioned by John as a common mourning ritual of the Jews. Read post #440 as it shows the common traditions and practices of the Jews during mourning, and tossing ashes on their foreheads is not one of them. However it is common with Islam, as well do they still keep other cleansing rituals and such as well.
Did you know they can not even touch a pig ???
 
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DesiredHaven

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Sister, don't feel alone. I spend a fair amount of time elsewhere with guys and gals who really DO understand Theology, and half the time they don't agree, either.
It could be that others pretend they know (and really dont) even as I dont either, but I just dont pretend about it lol

So its not like I feel I am alone (not really) I might just be more open that I dont (in this area of learning).

I think knowledge will increase, and that certain things have to be revealed, some claim they know along with everyone else who claims the same (each contradicting the other) lol

Something has got to give lol

People just dont know where to put you when they speak to you, they are like, are you here or here? Which side are you on? Whose side are you on?

Why did you click "like" on that persons side then click "like" on the person who disagrees with that other side? LOL

And then I dont know how to answer to some of those things, just seemed both answered correctly (even though they bring the conclusion out differently. So, it can get more complicated then just at one level.

I know some really smart people myself in this and not one agrees with the other, each my freind but even I dont agree fully with any of them 100%. I would have to lie to say I did.

Thats hard too at various levels because each freind believes they make it so absolutely clear but they really dont, so I am convinced you cant really teach revelation. But I truly do look for those who are faithful to the writing and/or the Spirit of the same as they go along.

Just seems like stuff is being squeezed in there but they did the same things before our time, hindsight being 20/20 for sure.

Its nothing I would divide over though, I dont knock anyone who is trying to understand and doesnt, cause who am I? I certainly dont.

Sometimes it can be a relief to others to be like, wow, so its okay not to understand it all? Or look how easy it is to come out and just say so LOL

Its more fun asking the question and watching how the others will answer it, that really lays on the heat (haha!)
 
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phil112

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thats a weak argument. Satan dwells everywhere. He dwelled in babylon. He dwelled in greece, He dwelled in Tyre. He dwelled in rome. He dwells all over.

Nothing in that passage states that is the final beast. It just says he dwells there.

By the way, have you even studied islam. Do you actually know where it comes from? or are you just doing like you actually do. Listening to men. and believe what they say?

satan is not limited to one location on earth. The earth is his domain. He is a more regular church goer than most people. He'll be sitting in that pew waiting for you and try to talk to you the whole time you're there.
Where did he tell God he was in Job 1?
And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Thats always how it is, thats why I said I have a hard time learning in silence being impatient (although hoping to hear more according to the things I can grasp) and letting go of the rest.

Been stuck here for many years, people ask, what do YOU believe in whats it called? Eschatology?

I say I have no clue really, its all not tied in at all for me to say for sure.

I would be afraid of spreading error to take a stand on uncertainity in these things.
I subscribe to no man made or man classified theology. I believe the bible is the inspired word of God and that is how I try to live my life.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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[FONT=&quot]4 beasts of daniel (kingdoms)

Dan 2

Head - Gold Babylon
Chest and arms - Silver -Media/Peria
belly and thighs bronze - Greece
legs - iron - Rome
feet - iron and clay - Rome 2

concerning the 4th beast

Iron (strong)

Will crush all other kingdoms, and power and territory will exceed all of the other kingdoms.

It was this kingdom which was in power during the time of Christ, during the time of the writing of revelation. and in 70 ad, It had one king (vespacian) and its power was at its fullest. The people of this king destroyed the city of jerusalam and its temple. (titus) who at the death of Vespasian, became king of rome, proving that in this time, we were still under the 4th or roman kingdom of iron.

next comes the next kingdom;

Will be divided but still have the strength of the original kingdom

partly strong and partly fragile (divided as it is not one kingdom in unity, but many kingdoms, which which will not adhere to one another (be in unity)

In the days of this kingdom, Christ will return and set up his kingdom which will never be destroyed. Christ himself (the stone) in destroying this kingdom. causes all the gentile kingdoms to crumble and fall, destroying all the gentile kingdoms (the statue) which was seen by nebechadnezzar.
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34 You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

As you see, the stone struck the iron and clay feet, destroying it. and causing all the kingdoms which it supported to crash and burn.

44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever

When the final kingdom (iron and clay) is destroyed, God himself will set up his kingdom, which will never be destroyed.

so what we have is this, in this shorter vision daniel is exposed to (a much greater one will come later)

1. only 4 kingdoms were in power up till Christ, the same 4th kingdom destroyed the city and temple.
2. History shows when rome fell, it was divided into two parts (not ten) and then fell off the map.
3. Up until this day, there has been no nation which has had ten kings, which has part of the power of rome (iron) and part of the power of man (clay)
4. The final kingdom will be crushed by God himself, at that time, Gods kingdom will be established which will never be destroyed.


dan 7

Lion with eagles wings -
bear, standing up on one side
leapard - 4 wings and 4 heads
4th beast, huge and powerfull with iron teeth.

10 horns, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words.

a more detailed vision of Daniel 2 is given.. which gives more detail about the kingdoms, who they are, and how they are destroyed.

concerning the 4th beast
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[SUP][FONT=&quot]19 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]“Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[SUP][FONT=&quot]21 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[SUP][FONT=&quot]23 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]“Thus he said:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]‘The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute[SUP][d][/SUP] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.[/FONT]
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[SUP][FONT=&quot]26 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]‘But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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1. Iron (rome) Bronze (fractured rome, not the origional rome)
2. Destroyed previous 4 beasts.
3. ten horns Arise out of the 4th beast (this would be rome)
4. little horn destroyed three of the origional horns. and take power over the other 7
5. Eyes of a man, speaking proud words.
6. slain and sent to a burning flame
7. Return of son of man in clouds of heaven, then given kingdom All peaoples, nations and languages on earth will serve him. This kingdom will never be destroyed.
8. More vision - made war with the saints, and winning, until Christ return and saved the saints and destroyed the beast.

interpret.

1. 4th beast most powerful, shall devour whole earth,
2. Ten horns ten kings, which shall arise from OUT of this kingdom
3. Little one arise after them, and destroy three of them.
4. He shall speak pompous words aginst Christ, persecute the saints, change times and laws, And he is geven permission to go after the saints. for 3 1/2 years.
5. Christ will take away his kingdom forever and ever, And the kingdom will be replaced with the kingdom of the saints (with Christ as the head, or king of kings) All people or dominions or kingdoms of the earth WILL serve and obey him.

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eternally-gratefull

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[FONT=&quot]beast of rev 13.

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[FONT=&quot]13 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[SUP][b][/SUP] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. [SUP]4 [/SUP]So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[SUP][FONT=&quot]5 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[SUP][c][/SUP] for forty-two months.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[SUP][d][/SUP] tongue, and nation. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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1. 7 heads and ten horns with ten crowns (kingdoms)
2. had like a leapard with feet of a bear, a and mouth of a lion (a vision of the first three beasts, who he had devoured.
3. Empoured by satan himself
4. one of its heads had a mortal wound which was healed. (the 4th beast rome had died, and now it is reborn)
5. world bows down to him and are in awe of his great power (who is able to overthrow him)
6. Spoke pompous words (blasphemies)
7. given power for 42 months (3 1/2 years)
8. given power to make war with saints and overcome them
9. Given power over every tribe, every tongue, ever nation (3 ways to say his authority is given over EVERY nation on earth)

rev 17

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[SUP][FONT=&quot]7 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[SUP][c][/SUP][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[SUP][FONT=&quot]9 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[SUP][FONT=&quot]12 [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. [SUP]13 [/SUP]These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. [SUP]14 [/SUP]These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]final beast, was, is not, and will ascend out of nothingness. (mortal wound healed)
2. 7 kings.
3. Kings - 5 have fallen (egypt, assyria, babylon, media-persia, greek (One is) Rome (One who is yet to come) one who is yet to come (future king who at the time of john had not been in power yet)
4. the one who has not yet appeared; Will be given power for only a short time , also, was, then was not, then was again, but going to perdition (will be empoured by satan himself)
5. ten kings, no authority yet, but will be granted power (ten kingdoms) for a short time with the beast
6. will give their power to the beast (making it one united kingdom)
7. will make war with the saints, but will not prevail,

rev 20

Christ return

1. Strike all the nations, and destroy them
2. Will himself execute judgment on them (defeat them)
3. Will defeat the beast personally.
4. So many people are killed, we are told the birds will be full with their flesh,
5. God throws the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire. [/FONT]
 
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eternally-gratefull

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[FONT=&quot]To see the similarities, we can see these things.
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[FONT=&quot]So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)
2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)
3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)
4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)
5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)
6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)
7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)
8. Will is cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)

We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.[/FONT]


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[FONT=&quot]1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language
2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible
3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible) (see also matt 24 which speaks of this time) [/FONT]
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kennethcadwell

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It could be that others pretend they know (and really dont) even as I dont either, but I just dont pretend about it lol

So its not like I feel I am alone (not really) I might just be more open that I dont (in this area of learning).

I think knowledge will increase, and that certain things have to be revealed, some claim they know along with everyone else who claims the same (each contradicting the other) lol

Something has got to give lol

People just dont know where to put you when they speak to you, they are like, are you here or here? Which side are you on? Whose side are you on?

Why did you click "like" on that persons side then click "like" on the person who disagrees with that other side? LOL

And then I dont know how to answer to some of those things, just seemed both answered correctly (even though they bring the conclusion out differently. So, it can get more complicated then just at one level.

I know some really smart people myself in this and not one agrees with the other, each my freind but even I dont agree fully with any of them 100%. I would have to lie to say I did.

Thats hard too at various levels because each freind believes they make it so absolutely clear but they really dont, so I am convinced you cant really teach revelation. But I truly do look for those who are faithful to the writing and/or the Spirit of the same as they go along.

Just seems like stuff is being squeezed in there but they did the same things before our time, hindsight being 20/20 for sure.

Its nothing I would divide over though, I dont knock anyone who is trying to understand and doesnt, cause who am I? I certainly dont.

Sometimes it can be a relief to others to be like, wow, so its okay not to understand it all? Or look how easy it is to come out and just say so LOL

Its more fun asking the question and watching how the others will answer it, that really lays on the heat (haha!)

That is good as when it comes to prophecy study you should have an open mind, and seek out in prayer to God to answer any questions you have on a subject. I have been through all these situations of Rome to New York being Babylon in the past and did side with them at one time.

For the longest time I thought it was Rome because this is what I heard others teach. Then I got into studies and was shown scriptures that Rome does not fit, so I started going with the New York teaching. Then as I got further in scripture study I found scriptures that do not support New York either.
Then I noticed the trend that every nation mentioned followed the star and crescent moon symbolism, and the nations that are mentioned that face God's judgment in the bible are Muslim to mostly Muslim populated nations. Those that are not still follow the same symbolism and idol worshiping..........
 
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eternally-gratefull

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hope this helps with scripture.. included to prove my points.. you can see the similarities in all these books.. they go hand in hand.
 
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It could be that others pretend they know (and really dont) even as I dont either, but I just dont pretend about it lol

So its not like I feel I am alone (not really) I might just be more open that I dont (in this area of learning).

I think knowledge will increase, and that certain things have to be revealed, some claim they know along with everyone else who claims the same (each contradicting the other) lol

Something has got to give lol

People just dont know where to put you when they speak to you, they are like, are you here or here? Which side are you on? Whose side are you on?

Why did you click "like" on that persons side then click "like" on the person who disagrees with that other side? LOL

And then I dont know how to answer to some of those things, just seemed both answered correctly (even though they bring the conclusion out differently. So, it can get more complicated then just at one level.

I know some really smart people myself in this and not one agrees with the other, each my freind but even I dont agree fully with any of them 100%. I would have to lie to say I did.

Thats hard too at various levels because each freind believes they make it so absolutely clear but they really dont, so I am convinced you cant really teach revelation. But I truly do look for those who are faithful to the writing and/or the Spirit of the same as they go along.

Just seems like stuff is being squeezed in there but they did the same things before our time, hindsight being 20/20 for sure.

Its nothing I would divide over though, I dont knock anyone who is trying to understand and doesnt, cause who am I? I certainly dont.

Sometimes it can be a relief to others to be like, wow, so its okay not to understand it all? Or look how easy it is to come out and just say so LOL

Its more fun asking the question and watching how the others will answer it, that really lays on the heat (haha!)
Well, usually I have found that people who state things as fact are the ones most safely dismissed. I don't expect it with every post, but if I never see any "It seems to me", or "I see it this way", or "I believe", or "looking at it from the 1st century perspective" comments, then I soon just dismiss the poster as someone who really just wants to hear themselves talk, and isn't concerned with understanding a possible truth, as they are in being "right".
 
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kennethcadwell

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satan is not limited to one location on earth. The earth is his domain. He is a more regular church goer than most people. He'll be sitting in that pew waiting for you and try to talk to you the whole time you're there.
Where did he tell God he was in Job 1?

I subscribe to no man made or man classified theology. I believe the bible is the inspired word of God and that is how I try to live my life.

You are right satan is limited to just one place on earth, but that does not mean he does not have one centralized location where he placed his throne.

Lord Jesus is not limited to just one place on earth either, but where He will rule from is His throne in Jerusalem.


I mean come on people just because his throne is seated in one country does not mean he is only stuck there, this is just where his rule will be from as the bible clearly says this is where his throne is located.
 
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phil112

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You are right satan is limited to just one place on earth, but that does not mean he does not have one centralized location where he placed his throne.

Lord Jesus is not limited to just one place on earth either, but where He will rule from is His throne in Jerusalem.


I mean come on people just because his throne is seated in one country does not mean he is only stuck there, this is just where his rule will be from as the bible clearly says this is where his throne is located.
You'll have to point out to me where the bible says satan has a throne. I simply don't remember it saying that.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Well, usually I have found that people who state things as fact are the ones most safely dismissed. I don't expect it with every post, but if I never see any "It seems to me", or "I see it this way", or "I believe", or "looking at it from the 1st century perspective" comments, then I soon just dismiss the poster as someone who really just wants to hear themselves talk, and isn't concerned with understanding a possible truth, as they are in being "right".

I have done that plenty of times, using quotes and writings from the 1st and 2nd century writings, and even showing plain scriptures. The tact back is still the same though, either getting blamed for using what other men say when they do the same, being called weak even though the scripture says what it says, and so on. Some people are just so stuck in what they have been taught by others they refuse to look at other things. I use to believe in the Roman and New York philosophies in the path of being Babylon at one time or another, until through studies kept finding a few scriptures that don't fit either one of the.m
 
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kennethcadwell

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You'll have to point out to me where the bible says satan has a throne. I simply don't remember it saying that.

Revelation 2:12-13 tells us where satan's throne is located, and Revelation 13:2 shows the man of sin given this throne.

Pergamos also known as Pergamum in Revelation is located in Turkey...................
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I have done that plenty of times, using quotes and writings from the 1st and 2nd century writings, and even showing plain scriptures. The tact back is still the same though, either getting blamed for using what other men say when they do the same, being called weak even though the scripture says what it says, and so on. Some people are just so stuck in what they have been taught by others they refuse to look at other things. I use to believe in the Roman and New York philosophies in the path of being Babylon at one time or another, until through studies kept finding a few scriptures that don't fit either one of the.m
lol. and you expect us to believe this? No scripture supports islam or new york.

the only entity that exists today as far as babylon is romand catholic. this is not to say that she will even be alive in this day, and another entity will not take over for her. which is why my belief is not set in stone.

you can not find islam or mecca in daniel 2. daniel 7 rev 13, rev 17, it just is not there (concerning the final beast)
 
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Revelation 2:12-13 tells us where satan's throne is located, and Revelation 13:2 shows the man of sin given this throne.

Pergamos also known as Pergamum in Revelation is located in Turkey...................

thats debatable, and makes assumptions that that is still his throne.

The OT has his throne in many places..

satan entered judas (the first son of perdition) Judas was no where near purgomous.
 
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That is good as when it comes to prophecy study you should have an open mind, and seek out in prayer to God to answer any questions you have on a subject. I have been through all these situations of Rome to New York being Babylon in the past and did side with them at one time.

For the longest time I thought it was Rome because this is what I heard others teach. Then I got into studies and was shown scriptures that Rome does not fit, so I started going with the New York teaching. Then as I got further in scripture study I found scriptures that do not support New York either.
Then I noticed the trend that every nation mentioned followed the star and crescent moon symbolism, and the nations that are mentioned that face God's judgment in the bible are Muslim to mostly Muslim populated nations. Those that are not still follow the same symbolism and idol worshiping..........
you were on the right track. hasatan is head of rome and islam and muslim and etc....
btw, hasatan virtually is not limited to one place on earth. the prince of the power of the air deceives everyone, including us who are redeemed before we were redeemed (before we were born again) as
it clearly says in Ephesians and more....

rome is the mother of abominations, including islam/muslim.>>>

Still, since we now know the Vatican invented the religion of Islam, it stands to reason they also invented the Koran. The fact this book contradicts itself repeatedly in how newer verses are now taught to supersede older verses proves it was a work in progress by man. The true God never has to change His Word when society changes due to Satanic influence because truth is eternal. Lies continually have to be updated and re-written to keep the deceived in check. This can also be seen in Roman Catholic doctrine wherein it changes over and over again with each new pope. So the Koran is going to be no different.
 
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popeye

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That is good as when it comes to prophecy study you should have an open mind, and seek out in prayer to God to answer any questions you have on a subject. I have been through all these situations of Rome to New York being Babylon in the past and did side with them at one time.

For the longest time I thought it was Rome because this is what I heard others teach. Then I got into studies and was shown scriptures that Rome does not fit, so I started going with the New York teaching. Then as I got further in scripture study I found scriptures that do not support New York either.
Then I noticed the trend that every nation mentioned followed the star and crescent moon symbolism, and the nations that are mentioned that face God's judgment in the bible are Muslim to mostly Muslim populated nations. Those that are not still follow the same symbolism and idol worshiping..........
Could be something to it.
The 1st rider of the apacolypse is probably the mahdi that islam thinks is the messiah.
The muslims wait for this man,the mahdi. Fascinating to say the least.

The bible spiritual laws are eternal.
Law of "first,last"
Jesus ministry begins at a wedding.....transversely we have a wedding at the end.
1st adam/last adam
Isaac/ismael=Ishmael /Isaac

No getting around it. The muslims WILL BE THERE
 
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kennethcadwell

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you were on the right track. hasatan is head of rome and islam and muslim and etc....
btw, hasatan virtually is not limited to one place on earth. the prince of the power of the air deceives everyone, including us who are redeemed before we were redeemed (before we were born again) as
it clearly says in Ephesians and more....

rome is the mother of abominations, including islam/muslim.>>>

Still, since we now know the Vatican invented the religion of Islam, it stands to reason they also invented the Koran. The fact this book contradicts itself repeatedly in how newer verses are now taught to supersede older verses proves it was a work in progress by man. The true God never has to change His Word when society changes due to Satanic influence because truth is eternal. Lies continually have to be updated and re-written to keep the deceived in check. This can also be seen in Roman Catholic doctrine wherein it changes over and over again with each new pope. So the Koran is going to be no different.

Once again I did not say he was limited to one place on earth, but people must understand just because his throne is located in Turkey does not mean he can not go out to other areas.

Lord Jesus when He comes the second time will rule the whole earth but His throne will be from Jerusalem..........
 
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kennethcadwell

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thats debatable, and makes assumptions that that is still his throne.

The OT has his throne in many places..

satan entered judas (the first son of perdition) Judas was no where near purgomous.

The old testament did give him tons of titles depending on the nation he ruled, this does not mean he does not have one centralized throne somewhere though.


Like I said about Jesus, I will say again, when He comes back He will rule the whole earth yet His throne will be in Jerusalem.
 
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kennethcadwell

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lol. and you expect us to believe this? No scripture supports islam or new york.

the only entity that exists today as far as babylon is romand catholic. this is not to say that she will even be alive in this day, and another entity will not take over for her. which is why my belief is not set in stone.

you can not find islam or mecca in daniel 2. daniel 7 rev 13, rev 17, it just is not there (concerning the final beast)

River Ulai (Daniel 8:2) ----- Located in Iraq

Media and Persia, Greece (Daniel 8:20,21) ----- Location


Chaldeans (Daniel 9:1) ---- location southeast section of the Babylonian empire.........

Egypt (Daniel 9:15)

Notice the direction it is going as each area is Muslim, or only part of the eastern countries from the original Roman empire. From Greece and Turkey going east, no western Roman nations..........