RIDICULOUS CHRISTIAN CLAIMS AND SHAMING JESUS

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John 14:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

 

Angela53510

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I'm unedumicated. Does this make me any less a child of God? Does it make someone a lesser person in your eyes? I have to correct my wife quite a bit about making claims of someone is uneducated because they don't have as much college as her. Some people just don't have the education but it doesn't mean they don't have anything to offer on social media.
Where did I say anywhere, or in this thread, that being uneducated makes you less a child of God or a lesser person? I have never said that!

I was speaking as an educator, of the type of deficit education people are getting today, and that includes college. It does not include people who educate themselves. There are some very smart people who have overcome a poor or non-existent formal education, and are able to dialogue intelligently. And more important, discern what is true, and what is false!

My comment, was that, without an understanding of things like critical thinking, logic, to say nothing of scientific methodology, people are so liable to fall into error. Without good reading comprehension skills, it is so easy to misinterpret what people say. Without an understanding of how you verify the truth of miracles, you are easy pray to any weird claim! And that includes everything from herbal cures to your cat prophesing things from the mouth of God. Balsam aside, God has not used animals as his favourite vessel to exhort, teach or correct theology, or to aid in sanctification. That is the fact.

When I see people in this thread say stupid things like "Well, the cat could have talked!" And then based it on Balaam's donkey, I have to comment that that is just such poor hermeneutics and application it is absurd. In fact, that is exactly what this thread is talking about.

Without a decent education (I'm not talking how many years you sat in school/college) you are vulnerable to every weirdo (and cat, apparently!) who makes a false claim that God spoke to them, especially when those things directly contradict Scripture. In fact, naivety is a serious issue. People are brainwashed to believe that if someone says "God said it!" Then they are obligated to believe it as truth! And this comes directly out of a lack of true education. It makes you a victim and prey to any new doctrine or practice that comes out! It is sad, because these people are trusting, but there are things you can trust (example the Bible) and things you cannot trust (example- people in the chat rooms saying utter and absolute garbage! Not that everything in the chat rooms are false, but there are reasons I choose not to go there!)

And I was clear, that a lot of what I was talking about was on social media that was not CC. I have seen streams of swearing that go on forever about Justin Trudeau. I hate the guy! He is a fake, a Muslim and he is ruining our country economically right now. But, swearing accomplishes nothing. There are so many things people can intelligently say to show their disgust for our lousy prime minister, and many now agree. But, what does swearing, serious insults and ranting add to that knowledge? In effect, they are truly not contributing in any way to the discussion concerning how to get rid of Trudeau, and replaces him with someone who will stop the evil Trudeau is doing.

People need to be discerning. That is Biblical. Perhaps I needed to use the term "being wise" instead of being educated. I was thinking of education in terms of becoming wise, but it is true that wisdom is not always learned in a classroom, although it helps!

"33 Wisdom reposes in the heart of the discerning
and even among fools she lets herself be known." Prov. 14:33
 

phil36

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Angela has a very serious point. People are more interested in other peoples or their own experience rather than gaining wisdom from God. God has revealed Himself to us, ultimately in His So, the logos become flesh, and in His written word. Yet so many are more interested in elevating their experience above the divine infallible authority of scripture, in other words, their experience becomes authoritative.

For the Christian, only the word of God has the final say in all things relating to the Faith and beliefs of His Children. Jesus Himself thought so!

And regarding a talking cat...well that says it all really!
 

Magenta

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#66
She looks Siamese or part Siamese? I have had a few of those in my life.

They weren't very spiritual either.."Mew" was the only word they knew :)
She is a rescue kitty so it is hard to know exactly, though my daughter calls Luna a Blue Point, for she has that type of marking and definitely that type of personality along the Asian lines, for instance, her propensity to bite everything, though thankfully she is actually quite quiet, and when she mews, sometimes I would hardly know it if I were not looking right at her to see her mouth open and close :D


 
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She is a rescue kitty so it is hard to know exactly, though my daughter calls Luna a Blue Point, for she has that type of marking and definitely that type of personality along the Asian lines, for instance, her propensity to bite everything, though thankfully she is actually quite quiet, and when she mews, sometimes I would hardly know it if I were not looking right at her to see her mouth open and close :D


Siamese typically have a very loud annoying meow. I also owned a few Persians. I love their personality but their flat faces cause them to have eye problems. That, and their fur requires constant grooming. As a guy, I didn't find combing a cat's fur daily to be appealing.
 

Magenta

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Siamese typically have a very loud annoying meow. I also owned a few Persians. I love their personality but their flat faces cause them to have eye problems. That, and their fur requires constant grooming. As a guy, I didn't find combing a cat's fur daily to be appealing.
I know, I can't stand the type of loud yowling some Siamese make, which is why I am quite thankful my kitty is so quiet :) Flat faces can cause other problems as well, for instance in pug-nosed dogs, breathing problems. Some people think certain breeds quite cute when they are really fairly immoral, and bred for looks quite aside from any pain and suffering such looks cause to the animals :( My daughter educates me on such things since she has been working as a vet assistant for the last three years :D Grooming is not high on my list either LOL Luna is a bit long haired, but she grooms herself :D
 

MadebyHim

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Ok, now you are resorting to name calling. I'm not even going to take you serious with this topic.

They call people nutjobs that they don't agree with, trying to making sure those that they call nutjobs get avoided by most. They have a group that sticks together and i'll go into chatroom say hi and get ignored, but will notice every one else getting warm welcome, yes it hurts. Why? because i go looking for fellowship, and get cold shoulder like i have the plague. Of course not all act this way, have had a few say hi. So one comes in bashing testimonies of people. Its not my right calling people liars as it seems op is doing, is lying any less of a sin than shunning, or bad mouthing others that they don't even have a clue about.

If someone tells me they seen a person raised from dead, first thing that would come to mind amazing, same as a healing God is great. But to call them liars, when i don't even know nothing about them. If i did doubt, i would keep it to myself.
 

MadebyHim

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Seems to me that someone speaking of healing a raising dead, walking on water, would be lifting up Jesus and not shaming Him. i've seen healing, not walking on water or raising dead, but i won't say it can't happen. Now if the person claiming these things says they did the healing or whatever red flags would go up, but if they say Jesus did it Glory to God.
 

MadebyHim

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One reason i don't share certain things that i've seen. People will call it rediculous, and by that they would be shaming Jesus.
 

Johnny_B

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One of the biggest causes for doubt of Christianity for me is the ridiculous claims of a small number of Christians, which bring shame to Jesus.

As an example, one woman in chat claims that a cat spoke to her, and that she resurrected the dead from a morgue. Over time there have been tons of other ones which made similar claims about healings they performed, etcetera.

Yeah, right, I'm sure she bypassed multiple levels of security and raised a dead person in a morgue and it escaped the news..not..

Another claimed Michelle Obama was a guy and he knew it FOR SURE.

But, even more worrisome than ridiculous claims is the fact that such people are considered gurus on the site by a significant number. People flock to them for advice.

Having come from a cult who claimed to have all their i's dotted and their t's crossed doctrinally, and accused other Christians of being ignorant, I sometimes have to consider whether they may be right about a huge segment of Christianity. They themselves had poor theology, but their assessment of the gullibility of some other Christians seems to be on target.

I am guessing a full third of Christians would find such an individual as mentioned above to be plausible as a source of truth, even though they make outlandish claims.

Anyways, I am considering keeping a running list of ridiculous claims that people make in the chatroom, and bringing them up on a regular basis. Maybe that will shame them into not shaming Christ by making such outlandish claims.

Luckily, Christians in my real life are not so foolish or I'd likely abandon Christianity.
It's all about self glorification in Jesus name. Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

I meat a brother (I hope) about 3 months ago that was telling me about his Church and associated Churches and how this
prophet came to town to do a revival meeting and how people walking in the door were slain in the Spirit and that it carries all the way the a town in Florida. Where people driving by were slain. I asked him if he could give me some Scripture tobacco that up, he did. I showed him how those people were not believers but enemies of God like Saul o.n the the road the Demascus or the Temple guards. It opened his eyes to search the Scriptures more. Never herd form him so I assume he thought I was a nut.
 

Johnny_B

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#74
Seems to me that someone speaking of healing a raising dead, walking on water, would be lifting up Jesus and not shaming Him. i've seen healing, not walking on water or raising dead, but i won't say it can't happen. Now if the person claiming these things says they did the healing or whatever red flags would go up, but if they say Jesus did it Glory to God.
If Jesus did it and they are putting themselves at the center of the story they are glorifying themselves not Jesus. Paul and his being taken to the third heaven, did not place himself in the story, he said I knew a man. Yes, Jesus can do all those things, but why does it always seem those doing it, never know the word of God. They live on experiences not on His word. The reality is, what glorifies God more, a healing, someone walking on water or a sinner being regenerated by the Spirit of the Lord?
 
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#75
It's so wonderful that you know everything ... e.g. what is ridiculous, and what is not.
There are plenty of your types on Christian forums, which is NOT so wonderful.
Knowing what is ridiculous (like your above statement) and what is not (the OP) does not make a person as one who knows everything. Comments like yours are unneeded.
 
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#76
I'm not going to comment. I knew the thread would bring out some loons.
And you were spot on. Imagine, make a thread on ridiculous claims, and having an influx on it of ridiculous, lying claims. And, if you don't believe their claims, you don't believe in God or His power. Uh. LOL! :)
 
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#77
Where did I say anywhere, or in this thread, that being uneducated makes you less a child of God or a lesser person? I have never said that!

I was speaking as an educator, of the type of deficit education people are getting today, and that includes college. It does not include people who educate themselves. There are some very smart people who have overcome a poor or non-existent formal education, and are able to dialogue intelligently. And more important, discern what is true, and what is false!

My comment, was that, without an understanding of things like critical thinking, logic, to say nothing of scientific methodology, people are so liable to fall into error. Without good reading comprehension skills, it is so easy to misinterpret what people say. Without an understanding of how you verify the truth of miracles, you are easy pray to any weird claim! And that includes everything from herbal cures to your cat prophesing things from the mouth of God. Balsam aside, God has not used animals as his favourite vessel to exhort, teach or correct theology, or to aid in sanctification. That is the fact.

When I see people in this thread say stupid things like "Well, the cat could have talked!" And then based it on Balaam's donkey, I have to comment that that is just such poor hermeneutics and application it is absurd. In fact, that is exactly what this thread is talking about.

Without a decent education (I'm not talking how many years you sat in school/college) you are vulnerable to every weirdo (and cat, apparently!) who makes a false claim that God spoke to them, especially when those things directly contradict Scripture. In fact, naivety is a serious issue. People are brainwashed to believe that if someone says "God said it!" Then they are obligated to believe it as truth! And this comes directly out of a lack of true education. It makes you a victim and prey to any new doctrine or practice that comes out! It is sad, because these people are trusting, but there are things you can trust (example the Bible) and things you cannot trust (example- people in the chat rooms saying utter and absolute garbage! Not that everything in the chat rooms are false, but there are reasons I choose not to go there!)

And I was clear, that a lot of what I was talking about was on social media that was not CC. I have seen streams of swearing that go on forever about Justin Trudeau. I hate the guy! He is a fake, a Muslim and he is ruining our country economically right now. But, swearing accomplishes nothing. There are so many things people can intelligently say to show their disgust for our lousy prime minister, and many now agree. But, what does swearing, serious insults and ranting add to that knowledge? In effect, they are truly not contributing in any way to the discussion concerning how to get rid of Trudeau, and replaces him with someone who will stop the evil Trudeau is doing.

People need to be discerning. That is Biblical. Perhaps I needed to use the term "being wise" instead of being educated. I was thinking of education in terms of becoming wise, but it is true that wisdom is not always learned in a classroom, although it helps!

"33 Wisdom reposes in the heart of the discerning
and even among fools she lets herself be known." Prov. 14:33
Thanks be to God for you sister, that He has granted to you a hold on sound doctrine; 2 Timothy; 1:13-14, 2:1-2; 4:3; Titus 2:1.
 
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are you equating someone's experience with the inspired word of God given to us by the Holy Spirit within which are contained the healings performed by Christ and the Apostles. There is no way an Christian should be placing human expereince on the same level as the word of God.
 
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are you equating someone's experience with the inspired word of God given to us by the Holy Spirit within which are contained the healings performed by Christ and the Apostles. There is no way an Christian should be placing human expereince on the same level as the word of God.

Absolutely, and, if any doubt their fabrications they are treated as if they've denied the written word of God.
 
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are you equating someone's experience with the inspired word of God given to us by the Holy Spirit within which are contained the healings performed by Christ and the Apostles. There is no way an Christian should be placing human expereince on the same level as the word of God.
I agree. I have had people tell me that they have asked God to forgive them - but He didn't. Does that make their personal experience true? Of course not. They are elevating their own "experience" above the word of God.

We can make the word of God of no effect because of our church teachings and traditions - just like Jesus said we can do.

Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ only comes from the Holy Spirit - we can study the scriptures for 50 years and still not have a revelation of the work of Christ. We can pastor a church for 40 years , read Greek and Hebrew fluently, pray for hours a day and still not have a revelation of what Christ has done.

( I am all for studying the scriptures....I love it but without the Holy Spirit's involvement - it is within itself not what brings light and truth of Christ Himself )

We can have our own opinions of what we think the scriptures are saying. There is a letter of the word and a spirit of the word.

I believe we are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths of Christ to us in the scriptures as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.