Sabbath Law and Rest

[JaumeJ]

STay on the subject you asked about. I mention Karrester only because your tone went this same direction with her. Also she has a lot to share. As for all who do not believe as her, she was speaking metaphorically about hypocrites and those who truly wish to please our Father.

I do not like the term their Jesus and ours, but it is not a sin to point out there are hypocrites. I do not even like it when friends of mine refer to Catholics as having their god as opposed to "our God" although I know what is intended by it. There are many believers in all denominations who just do not understand why their fellows do not seem to have the same spirit as they do.

Try to be understanding before throwing out those unsubstantiated accusastions. Suffice it to be content that you believe Yeshua Messiah.

 

[Spokenpassage]

I am sorry if I seem out of control. But to accuse the whole church? Was that necessary? I read about men and women who are martyred for their faith, and they believe what we believe. We send missionaries to the lost, and aids to the broken across the world. For her to insult the church as if only few people who believes in what she thinks is right is true, it just upsets me. Again I apologize.

 

[JaumeJ]

When a person discovers just how much the Word and the heritage of our faith has been distorted by christianity, not Christianity, one becomes righteously indignant about all that has been with held from we children of the Most High God. This indignation is due to learning about our heritage going back to Abrahan, not just back to John the Baptist. It is the faith of Abraham we are given when we are saved by the Blood of Yeshua, Jesus.

When I learned by the Holy Spirit just how our Savior has been mis-taught so much by well meaning people who are scholars or men of the cloth and not men of the Holy Spirit, though God does not need my defense, I became beligerently blunt about this miscarraige of holy justice for some time until I realized there are believers in all assemblies based on the Word, albeit very few, but then Yeshua, Jesus, told us it would be this way before He returns.

There is much more than meets the eye for us to learn in the Word. Whether a person says Jesus or Yeshua, both of those names may be translated as Salvation for Salvation is the name of our Lord. Salvation comes from the Jews. You shall call the Child Salvation, for He shall save His people. This is written, and this is true. You do ot need to become Hebrew Roots or a Messianic Jew knowing this, but you will understand just a bit more as light from your faith of Abraham is shed brighter and brighter.

 

[TaylorTG]

Ah.. some of you folks celebrate the sabbath on a saturday.
We learn something new everyday!

Name one Christian on here who believes that sin is alright?

TaylorTG.

I do not even like it when friends of mine refer to Catholics as having their god as opposed to "our God" although I know what is intended by it.

You know what I really don't like? When you folks suggest things like that.^ We worship the same God, buds. We worship the same God.

 

[JaumeJ]

Teaching sin is alright? All sins are forgiven, but no sin is "alright." Sin is breaking the law. Break the least of the laws, and you have broken all of the law.

No sin is "alright." The Blood of the Lamb and lving in the grace He freely bestows upon us makes our errors forgiven, but never "alright."

 

[Spokenpassage]

Nehemiah 8:17 was an example I wanted to use, since there is another one like this

What do you believe this means?

 

[TaylorTG]

Teaching sin is alright? All sins are forgiven, but no sin is "alright." Sin is breaking the law. Break the least of the laws, and you have broken all of the law.

No sin is "alright." The Blood of the Lamb and lving in the grace He freely bestows upon us makes our errors forgiven, but never "alright."

Ah, come on. A perfect world would be boring. I'm glad Satan is trying to screw this planet up. He's just making us more aware of the fact that we need God.

Being a spiritual doctor, you should be aware of this. Go back to your happy healing bible. Enjoy your share of the blood of the lamb, sir. It'll be our finest spiritual drink. *Raises glass*

 

[john832]

Nehemiah 8:17 was an example I wanted to use, since there is another one like this

What do you believe this means?

Neh 8:14 And they found written in the law which the LORD had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the feast of the seventh month:

Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

Neh 8:15 And that they should publish and proclaim in all their cities, and in Jerusalem, saying, Go forth unto the mount, and fetch olive branches, and pine branches, and myrtle branches, and palm branches, and branches of thick trees, to make booths, as it is written.
Neh 8:16 So the people went forth, and brought them, and made themselves booths, every one upon the roof of his house, and in their courts, and in the courts of the house of God, and in the street of the water gate, and in the street of the gate of Ephraim.
Neh 8:17 And all the congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths, and sat under the booths: for since the days of Jeshua the son of Nun unto that day had not the children of Israel done so. And there was very great gladness.
Neh 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.


They kept the Feast of Tabernacles which they had not done for quite a while. A booth is a temporary dwelling. The symbolism of the booth is here...

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

A tabernacle is a temporary dwelling...

G4633
σκηνή
skēnē
skay-nay'
Apparently akin to G4632 and G4639; a tent or cloth hut (literally or figuratively): - habitation, tabernacle.

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The Feast symbolizes the temporary nature of man and our hope of eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Specifically in the New Jerusalem...

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Now what is your question?

 

[Spokenpassage]

Thanks for the scripture, now you quoted from the law, from the writings, and you even admit that "They kept the Feast of Tabernacles which they had not done for quite a while. A booth is a temporary dwelling." What would be said of the man of God who mediated on the law day and night? Who delights in the law?

Nehemiah 8:17 says otherwise or not?

Was this forgotten by the beloved David? Or was there a misunderstanding in his practice?

This one is for you John since you wanted to discuss about David and the righteousness of the law.

 

[just-us-2]

This is what I see in the multitude of law vs. grace, law is abolished, “juaizers’”, Sabbath, laws we need to keep now, circumcision, etc. posts on the many threads dealing with those subjects as well as other threads where an argument of such can be slipped in and derail an otherwise edifying thread, is always repeating the same arguments against the value and purpose of the Old Testament law over and over, a dreadful misunderstanding of what it means to be in Covenant with God, and willful misinterpretation of other’s posts by not thoroughly reading what they say or just plain loving to argue.

There is a verse that illustrates this situation and describes these people. It is:
[h=1]2 Timothy 3:7 (NAS) “always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” [/h](CJB – the version condemned by those who consider the law abolished) “ who are always learning but never able to come to full knowledge of the truth.”
(And the old standby KJV) “ Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

So regardless of which translation you prefer, it isn’t a complimentary picture of those individuals.

 

[JesusLives]

Sabbath is a part of the old obsolete laws given to Jews. To Christians Jesus is our Sabbath and we are not to obey the old mosaic laws. We are to obey the moral laws of Christ only. The Judaizers and nomian nuts wants us to mutilate our foreskin, stop eating pork and strictly observe the few laws they observe which have no hold on Christians.

You keep blaming this on the Judaizers, but it was God who gave these laws (10 Commandments), and the clean and unclean food instructions for our optimum health. I bet most of us you accuse as being Judaizers would tell you we know that we are saved by grace and not the law, but you don't believe us. My Bible tells me I must obey God rater than man. God asked us to observe and obey. Trust and obey for there is no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey... I guess that song writer was a Judaizer too. I know I am unable to keep the law Jesus did it for me and I look to Jesus to be saved. But my Bible also says faith without works is dead. And If you love Me keep My commandments.

 

[phil112]

............... And If you love Me keep My commandments.

Those commandments you are referring to, were they written in stone?

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.................the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones..................And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: [SUP] [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Are those the ones you think God wants you to keep? If they apply to you, you are in pretty good health, considering you're 2000 years old.

 

[RedTent]

Those who say the law of Moses is obsolete, that what God told Israel is not for us to learn from at all, are giving one teaching with man's interpretation of it without even trying to see scripture as one piece with all fitting into what is of God. It is telling people who are looking to us to explain the bible that you must not look at the entire bible, but take a few people's interpretation of the bible.

What Christ says about law, what is told in Rev. about what we will be judged on in the last days, what psalms 119 says about law is scripture, too. This teaching must fit within that scripture.

Bible students can point out that when we learn that the Law of Moses was what the rituals were called it makes this fit with every scripture. One scripture cannot disprove another and be correct. To understand what scripture tells us we must not ignore any other scripture, yet if law is obsolete it means we must ignore other scripture. Scripture says that law cannot save, that must be listened to, too. When these people say certain scriptures are to be ignored, it is not right.

God's spiritual truths are not easy for the secular mind to understand anyway. When Christians ask that we be blind to one scripture in order to uphold another, it really makes it difficult for the babies in Christ to understand. That is what these people preaching false ways of understanding are doing.

 

[phil112]

Those who say the law of Moses is obsolete, that what God told Israel is not for us to learn from at all, are giving one teaching with man's interpretation.................

If you are taking exception to what I said, please point out what I said that bothers you, and where in the word it says that information is incorrect.
Your statement is pretty vague. If you have something to say, say it. If not, what is the reason for the post at all?

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps this will help some. In the New Testament, the word, Law, is not translated from the Hebrew as it truly is for it is taken fromt he word, Torah, which actually means teaching. Thus reading just one example fro Ephesians a new and wonderful light is shed for all students of the Word.

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

In this instance, were we to understand the word, Torah, as it is teaching, we see that all the learning in the world or in the Word does not save a man. It is the Holy Spirit which quickeneth the writings, and one is only guided by the Holy Spirit after coming to Yeshua, Jesus in spirit and truth, to live in the grace necessarily added to learning in order to be saved.

It is not teaching which makes one righteous, it is learning by the Holy Spirit, and this would also intend study of the good laws of Yahweh.

 

[JesusLives]

Those commandments you are referring to, were they written in stone?
Are those the ones you think God wants you to keep? If they apply to you, you are in pretty good health, considering you're 2000 years old.

Thank you - I do live close to the fountain of youth.

 

[RedTent]

]]If you are taking exception to what I said, please point out what I said that bothers you, and where in the word it says that information is incorrect.
Your statement is pretty vague. If you have something to say, say it. If not, what is the reason for the post at all?

As I go over the posts here are some things I take exception to:

When people say keeping commandments come only from the spirit, omitting they also come from scripture.

Repeating the truth that the law does not save, but repeating that proof as an argument against the law.

Saying that the law of love replaces the written law, rather than it explains it.

Saying the only reason for the law is that it points to sin, not as one aspect of the law.

Saying the law is a yoke, when it is sin that is a yoke.

Saying that listening to law would mean that Christ died in vain.

Saying law has changed instead of telling of the things that Christ did to replace certain aspects of the law, like the temple.

Saying that when God spoke to the Hebrews, we are not to listen, that it doesn't apply to us.

 

[Karraster]

Hold up. She started judging Christians and the entire church. Calling everybody who doesn't believe what she believes as evil and wicked. That's an insult. Then I tried to talk to her about the law. Her reply was to "please spare me your lifeless words"

You overlook her posts because you agree with her isn't it?

Why are you telling lies about me? It was you who called me wicked, remember? Was it because I rejected your "egg and yoke" theory? Sorry, but I don't associate my relationship with God as being an egg, nor did I say what you accuse me of. It's all written down what you said to me.

You are not being honest.

 

[Karraster]

LT I hope you are well. I noticed you haven't been back for a few. May the Almighty watch over us, and keep us on that good narrow path. May He bless us when we seek Him, to honor His Name. Amen

 

[Spokenpassage]

Why are you telling lies about me? It was you who called me wicked remember? Was it because I rejected your "egg and yoke" theory Sorry, but I don't associate my relationship with God as being an egg, nor did I say what you accuse me of. It's all written down what you said to me.

You are not being honest.

How am I not being honest, I quoted you in your thread? I didn't call you wicked, I called the rejection a wicked notion. If you are trying to stir up problem, I don't want to be part of it. I was using the egg and yoke anology to explain scripture...