Sabbath Law and Rest

[JesusLives]

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So Jesus will not return to establish an earthly kingdom, He clearly said, "My kingdom is not of this world".[/QUOTE]

I agree He won't set up His kingdom on this wicked world but what do you do with this scripture?

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 - Then I John, saw the holy city New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 - And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Sounds to me like He will set up His kingdom in the new earth.

 

[Bookends]

If you are sitting in a heavenly place right this moment, ruling with Christ...

Yes, the bible says I'm an ambassador for Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:20 - 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us:... Any Christian who plays a part in advancing God's kingdom is God's representative.
2 Corinthians 6:1- We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Ephesians 6:20 - for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

How about doing something about Syria? Maybe you can tame (Ras)Putin? How about the bloodshed in Africa? Perhaps you could deign to intervene in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Can't huh? That's because this is talking about a future time. If this is the best God can do to rule over men on the earth, He is a miserable failure. This is not His world currently...

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

This is not God's world and won't be until Jesus Christ returns...

God doesn't work as a world dominator. The world still belongs to God, His is in control not Satan, God just allows Satan to deceive some. God limits Satan's powers. God is sovereign and in complete control. Ephesians 1:11-12 - 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
Psalm 22:28 -
For the kingdom is the Lord’s,
And He rules over the nations.

When God says "Satan is the ruler of this World" it doesn't mean Satan is in charge. It means that God allows Satan to act and deceive people, but which is limited for the Gates of hell will not prevail against the church. Satan is powerless to the onward march of the Church/Saints, which means the church will never be snuffed out. God is reigning in every heart of the believer. God does Crush the nations, just not instantly, look at Nazi Germany. Our God is generous and a gracious God who wishes for all men to repent, thus He's long-suffering towards evil. I assure you, He won, and wins in the end.

Also it's not so much that Satan is that powerful, but it's the fact that men's hearts love darkness then light, allowing Satan to have his way with them.


I really wish you would shorten your posts and keep them to one topic, it makes harder to respond.

Psalm 47:7
For God is the King of all the earth; sing to him a psalm of praise.

Psalm 47:8
God reigns over the nations; God is seated on his holy throne.

 

[Bookends]

I respectfully disagree - Jesus must return before the millennium begins and Satan must be bound in chains to this earth.
Revelation 20:
1 - Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 - He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
2 - and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

So if we are in the millennium as you suggest I have one question for you. Been tempted lately? Because as I read the scripture above Satan is not able to do so during that 1000 years.

Does all temptation come from Satan? Is Satan omni-present that he can tempt all of us at the same time? Does not the bible say if you resist the devil he will flea from you?

 

[JaumeJ]

If Satan tempts people all around the world, what do you think? Not to give the enemy any credit at all, but I do not think he runs around from person to person like a pinball; so yes, he is present everywhere in this age on this earth and where ever men may be.

Does all temptation come from Satan? Is Satan omni-present that he can tempt all of us at the same time? Does not the bible say if you resist the devil he will flea from you?

 

[Grandpa]

Does He imply the rest of the soul replaces physical rest? Does He imply one doesn't need physical rest in Him?[/QUOTE]

Romans 8:2-8
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4[/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Exactly as Exodus 20:9-11 says: Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Hebrews 4 is not talking about a cycle of work and rest. The Lord Jesus is not talking about a cycle of work and rest.

Hebrews 4:10-11
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his .
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Was the context about resting?

As a matter of fact, it is...
Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Are you made perfect by the flesh? Is it your works of the law that is causing your perfection?

Is resting not needed if one is led by the Spirit?

That is correct. If one is led by the Spirit no one needs to point out to them that the law must be kept.

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

How's that one does not need rest under grace?

Those under grace are constantly resting. They have entered His Rest and ceased from their works. See Hebrews 4

Again does He say when you have rest in the soul you don't need physical rest?

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[chubbena]

Does He imply the rest of the soul replaces physical rest? Does He imply one doesn't need physical rest in Him?[/QUOTE]

Romans 8:2-8
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4[/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.



Hebrews 4 is not talking about a cycle of work and rest. The Lord Jesus is not talking about a cycle of work and rest.

Hebrews 4:10-11
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his .
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.




As a matter of fact, it is...
Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Are you made perfect by the flesh? Is it your works of the law that is causing your perfection?




That is correct. If one is led by the Spirit no one needs to point out to them that the law must be kept.

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Those under grace are constantly resting. They have entered His Rest and ceased from their works. See Hebrews 4

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You are not dealing with the questions which can be summed up in one - does one need physical rest?

 

[Grandpa]

You are not dealing with the questions which can be summed up in one - does one need physical rest?

Not sure. I never tried to go without it. I get too tired and have to rest.

But thats just a physical need I can give the solution for myself. We have much bigger needs than physical needs, of which the Lord Jesus Christ was very aware and gave the solution for.

 

[chubbena]

Not sure. I never tried to go without it. I get too tired and have to rest.

But thats just a physical need I can give the solution for myself. We have much bigger needs than physical needs, of which the Lord Jesus Christ was very aware and gave the solution for.

So don't judge those who take the physical rest as He has set apart and use the time in the Word and prayer and sustain from worldly things.
For those who are indulged in the worldly entertainment it's a good time to reconsider. If a day cannot go by apart from such it would be much more awful in eternity.

 

[Grandpa]

So don't judge those who take the physical rest as He has set apart and use the time in the Word and prayer and sustain from worldly things.
For those who are indulged in the worldly entertainment it's a good time to reconsider. If a day cannot go by apart from such it would be much more awful in eternity.

Just think about what the point is of your physical rest and your time in the Word and Prayer staying away from worldly things.

Why can't we rest like that all the time?

Why do you fight so hard for one day a week and only one day a week?

 

[chubbena]

Just think about what the point is of your physical rest and your time in the Word and Prayer staying away from worldly things.

Why can't we rest like that all the time?

There's no law against that but for the not so fortunate who must work for a living that's not possible to have physical rest all the time. Spiritual rest yes but I'm talking about physical rest.

Why do you fight so hard for one day a week and only one day a week?

I'm not against physical rest on other days if one can afford but why do you fight so hard trying to persuade others not to rest on Sabbath? Does not resting purposely on Sabbath make one more spiritual?

 

[Grandpa]

I'm not against physical rest on other days if one can afford but why do you fight so hard trying to persuade others not to rest on Sabbath??

I don't think there is a worldwide crisis of people needing physical rest. People can physically rest on whatever day they want.

I'm only against the supposed fulfilling of the law the way it is taught in judaism. The carnal, physical way.

Does not resting purposely on Sabbath make one more spiritual?

No it doesn't. Attempting to keep the law by your flesh does not cause you to be more spiritual.

Coming to Christ is what causes a person to be more Spiritual.

Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

How do you tell a carnal, fleshly person that the law is not kept by the flesh? How will a carnal, fleshly person ever understand the principle of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus?

Romans 8:2-7

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

I guess just keep posting scriptures, knowing that who this is intended for it is reaching.

 

[Bookends]

There is no coming millennium, we are in the millennium (it's not a literal thousand year time, but an age). The next age will be eternal.

Luke 17:21

Luke 17:21

New King James Version (NKJV)

21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’[a] For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Ephesians 2:6

Ephesians 2:6

New King James Version (NKJV)

6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Luke 17:21 huh?

Luk 17:20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

To whom is He speaking? The Pharisees. What did He really say?

New International Version
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

Most translations have this correct. Here is a place where the KJV falls down. Why do I say this? Let's see, to whom was He speaking?

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Was the Kingdom of God inside these Pharisees?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Read Mat 23 and then decide if these Pharisees had the Kingdom of God inside them.

The word used for "within you" or "in your midst" in Luke 17:21 is Entos, G1787, is it not? Look at Luke 24:36:

36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.”

The word used here in this verse is Mesos, G3326. In Luke 17:21, clearly Luke is describing something more/bigger then Jesus merely standing among them. Look up the word my friend and tell me which translation is most correct in rendering "Entos".

The very essence of the Kingdom of God was standing before them, and they saw it not. God's kingdom was within their kingdom, kingdom of men, and they were blind to it.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

The Israelits took a poll on wether they shouwed build a golden calf

polls will always kill you, since the majority are always wrong.

 

[JaumeJ]

1Ti 6:20
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the pointless discussions and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge.


1Ti 6:21
Although some claim to have it, they have abandoned the faith. May grace be with all of you!

 

[john832]

Yes, the bible says I'm an ambassador for Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:20 - 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us:... Any Christian who plays a part in advancing God's kingdom is God's representative.
2 Corinthians 6:1- We then,as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Ephesians 6:20 - for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.



God doesn't work as a world dominator. The world still belongs to God, His is in control not Satan, God just allows Satan to deceive some. God limits Satan's powers. God is sovereign and in complete control. Ephesians 1:11-12 - 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
Psalm 22:28 -
For the kingdom is the Lord’s,
And He rules over the nations.

When God says "Satan is the ruler of this World" it doesn't mean Satan is in charge. It means that God allows Satan to act and deceive people, but which is limited for the Gates of hell will not prevail against the church. Satan is powerless to the onward march of the Church/Saints, which means the church will never be snuffed out. God is reigning in every heart of the believer. God does Crush the nations, just not instantly, look at Nazi Germany. Our God is generous and a gracious God who wishes for all men to repent, thus He's long-suffering towards evil. I assure you, He won, and wins in the end.

Also it's not so much that Satan is that powerful, but it's the fact that men's hearts love darkness then light, allowing Satan to have his way with them.


I really wish you would shorten your posts and keep them to one topic, it makes harder to respond.

Psalm 47:7
For God is the King of all the earth; sing to him a psalm of praise.

Psalm 47:8
God reigns over the nations; God is seated on his holy throne.

You're making excuses for supposed short comings of God, He doesn't need you to spiritualize away what He is about to do. When Christ returns these things happen...

Rev 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

Zec 14:3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Isa 66:15 For behold, the LORD will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by His sword The LORD will judge all flesh; And the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Isa 66:17 "Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together," says the LORD.
Isa 66:18 "For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory.

Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.
Dan 2:41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.
Dan 2:43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

Dan 7:23 "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.
Dan 7:26 'But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever.
Dan 7:27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

Nebuchadnezzar saw the four great empires of history, Babyon, Medo-Persian, Greco-Macedonian and Rome with it's many revivals. At the end time, Rome is destroyed by Christ (the Stone cut out without hands) and then the saints of the Most High take possession of the Kingdom and rule forever and ever.

 

[overcomer2]

Have patience, LT.

I am 88. When I was 14 I was living in an unfinished attic, told I was not wanted in a house, I was in misery. One day, hidden under a bush I found a huge patch of tiny violets, deep purple velvet with bright yellow centers. It was beauty, it was hope, it was God showing me His presence. I breathed in the beauty then, it sustained me, but it was only now that I understand, 74 years later.

Truly age has beautified you.

 

[Bookends]

You're making excuses for supposed short comings of God, He doesn't need you to spiritualize away what He is about to do. When Christ returns these things happen...

Concerning the woman at the well in John 4:

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

The woman at the well, was Jesus offering His Living Water for her now? When does everlasting life begin? (John 3:36)

 

[JaumeJ]

We who believe give forth living waters, that is the Word, Yeshua, to any with whom we each are allowed to share. He was speaking of Himself, of His teachings. When we do what He teaches we are communing with Him, in effect we are drinking His Blood, Which is the Life, and spreading His Word, which is the Bread from Heaven. When the soldier pierced our good Lord's side, water and blood came forth....

Read what Yeshua says, Himself, about this. Do not think for a moment the forum cans supply what the Word of Yahweh has been supplying since it has been given to us by Moses and the Prophets.

 

[JaumeJ]

Joh 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.


Joh 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Forgive my following off OP..........once more I come in and respond to something off OP without thinking first.............thank you.

 

[BradC]

1Ti 6:20
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the pointless discussions and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge.


1Ti 6:21
Although some claim to have it, they have abandoned the faith. May grace be with all of you!

JaumeJ, don't forget this instruction given by Paul to Titus as he did to Timothy...

Titus 3:9 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Acts 15:24 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: