Sabbath made for Man

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Nautilus

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your assuming that me thinking about it means im thinking aboutthe topic and not inwardly laughing at the lost cause you have chosen to champion...
 
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Laodicea

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your assuming that me thinking about it means im thinking aboutthe topic and not inwardly laughing at the lost cause you have chosen to champion...
If you can show me a verse in the Bible to keep the first day of the week (Sunday) holy in the same way as the 7th day then I will change from sabbath to Sun-day. If you cannot then you do not have a leg to stand on for keeping Sun-day and it is just a TRADITION.
 

Nautilus

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If you can show me a verse in the Bible to keep the first day of the week (Sunday) holy in the same way as the 7th day then I will change from sabbath to Sun-day. If you cannot then you do not have a leg to stand on for keeping Sun-day and it is just a TRADITION.
I honestly don't care when you have church, that doesn't effect me in the slightest. I am curious why our schedules are such a big concern of yours though? Why does it matter if we go on Sunday? And if your only answer is "Its not the sabbath" Im going to be disappointed because I want more.
 
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Laodicea

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I honestly don't care when you have church, that doesn't effect me in the slightest. I am curious why our schedules are such a big concern of yours though? Why does it matter if we go on Sunday? And if your only answer is "Its not the sabbath" Im going to be disappointed because I want more.
God blessed the sabbath He did not bless the first day sunday.
 

tribesman

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I honestly don't care when you have church, that doesn't effect me in the slightest. I am curious why our schedules are such a big concern of yours though? Why does it matter if we go on Sunday? And if your only answer is "Its not the sabbath" Im going to be disappointed because I want more.
Church we should "have" everyday. The Q is what do you make out of the 4th commandment of the decalogue that says man shall have a day of rest? If you are spiritualizing it, do you also spiritualize the other nine?
 
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Abishai

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Namaste. I have posted this before from the Word, specifically Paul's teaching. He teaches that one man may esteem on day above other days while another does not, and, as long as both have a clear conscience in the sight of God, both are correct. This sounds disorderly which is contrary to other teachings in Paul's writings, but who am I to dispute Paul.

With the above in mind, I love to observe the Seventh Day as the Sabbath, and I do believe it is a commandment. Farbeit from me to ever condemn anyone for observing the Sabbath on the first day. Jesus, Yeshua, teaches anyone who teaches others to break the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom. In respectful fear of the One Who Saves all by His glorious sacrifice, I believe the commandments should be obeyed. As for laws, we should all follow the Example of Jesus, Yeshua. When a punitive law is in play, He would show mercy. That is not difficult to understand and follow Him as the example.

As for all the ceremonial laws, they are just that, ceremonial. There is no Temple or Israel in which to obey all of these ceremonial laws, thus we are exempt. Of course there is an earthly Jerusalem, but we await the New Jerusalem of promise, amen.
First of all, I am very wary of these sanskrit or any eastern words/terms, because they are related to their pagan gods and I am sure we have nothing to do with them. But I do respect your greeting however, I choose rather to greet you in the name of our dear Lord Jesus Christ with whom we have to do. Please do not be offended for the correction I am trying to make.

Also, thank you for appreciating the name - Abishai. It means Gift of God. (In the Bible, Abishai was a brother of Asahel and Joab, the chief of army of King David)

I do not feel that my questions were addressed in your reply. Also, if you think that the ten commandments are the only commandments given to us then, why there is no mention of "love your enemy". "Thou shalt not look unto a woman to lust after her", "Thou shalt not hate thy brother without a cause", "Thou must be born again", "Thou must be born in water and in Spirit", "Thou must become like children", "Thy righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees" and so on in this decalogue?

Remember, the Lord gave those ten commandments according to the righteousness of Moses, who was the meekest on the face of the earth and also incidentally a most righteous man at that time . So the Lord saw the children of Israel through Moses and gave those 10 commandments, what the children of Israel could bear but that is not the case now. We have Jesus Christ who is far greater than any man that was born or will ever be born in this earth. His righteousness was in par with the righteousness of God. Not only He fulfilled the whole law or the 10 commandments but also He kept more than that and has commanded us to do those things.

Tell me what is the reason that we should keep the Sabbath except it is just a commandment and at the most you can say that it is the rest day; that the Lord rested from all His works. Where as for the rest of the nine commandments you can state a reason. Now give me an occasion to explain what this 'rested from all His works" mean. Generally, we understand rest as relaxing but in this context it means that God ceased from all His works. Now, if God ceased from all His works did He begin again working on the eighth day? Correct me if I am wrong, that the Bible does not say that 'the evening and the morning were the seventh day'; that is to begin an eighth day, so that God will begin to work again from eighth day. But today we do have a day following sabbath. However, we see that in John 5:17, Jesus mentioning that 'even to this very day (including Sabbath day) God is still working' and so even Jesus had to work.

Again, I repeat my question. Why then while in the New Testament, they talk of implementing all the 9 commandments and not this one commandment of Sabbath only? Were the people of the NT keeping this law perfectly and only stumbled at the rest of the 9 commandments, that the men of God did not think it necessary to reiterate about keeping the commandment of the Sabbath?

God bless you!
 
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Ariel82

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God bless every day of creation and called it good. he bless the first day by raising up Jesus from the grave
 
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Laodicea

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Jesus kept the sabbath in His death. He died on the 6th day, rested in the grave on the 7th and raised to life on the 1st.
 
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A-Omega

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Here is Ellen G. White's tomb



Anyone notice anything wrong here?
 
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chesser

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it has an egyptian obolisk on it i guess and what does that have to do with anything? It seems you know your wrong so you try and change the subject by giving us a picture of some random persons grave,just admit that saturday is the sabbath.
 
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LawofLove

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I honestly don't care when you have church, that doesn't effect me in the slightest. I am curious why our schedules are such a big concern of yours though? Why does it matter if we go on Sunday? And if your only answer is "Its not the sabbath" Im going to be disappointed because I want more.
Its more about following what God said. God is concerned with your schedule, God has a timing for everything. He is a God of order would you not say so? God dos not force but he dos teach us not to follow mans way if it dos not agree with his 10 commandments. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 

Nautilus

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Its more about following what God said. God is concerned with your schedule, God has a timing for everything. He is a God of order would you not say so? God dos not force but he dos teach us not to follow mans way if it dos not agree with his 10 commandments. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
I would like to thank for actually answering. You have given the best argument for sat over sun.
 
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ALL HERE WHO BELIEVE IN A LITERAL SABBATH, DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO WORSHIP ON SUNDAY, OR DON'T AT ALL ON SATURADAY ARE ALL DOOMED FOR ETERNITY?

IF SO STATE IT PLAINLY AND STOP COWERING BEHIND VERSES YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SUCH, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT??
 
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LawofLove

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ALL HERE WHO BELIEVE IN A LITERAL SABBATH, DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO WORSHIP ON SUNDAY, OR DON'T AT ALL ON SATURADAY ARE ALL DOOMED FOR ETERNITY?

IF SO STATE IT PLAINLY AND STOP COWERING BEHIND VERSES YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SUCH, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT??
Where to start? Do we study the bible to learn what God wants in our life? Or do we study to make excuses or to overlook what the bible says? What would of happen if the Reformer Martin Luther said ''It dos not matter what the bible says about faith''and failed to remind them what living by faith ment and said ''tradition is more important"? Its not really a brimstone and fire follow God out of fear your going to burn, rather its a movement to remember what was lost Exo 20:8 says: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Faith dos not come by tradition and Sunday worship is only tradition. Would you like to grow in your faith?

"God is Love" and he made a "Law of Love". The 10 commandments show us how to love God first then man and for us to remember how Gods love is written upon every open bud upon every spire of springing grass. God made man perfectly holy and happy and the fair earth as it came from the Creators hand bore no blight of decay or shadow of the curse.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.


1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and the lack of it is nothing. But keeping what God commands is everything.

Do we love God? and how do we show this love? The bible is clear...
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
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Where to start? Do we study the bible to learn what God wants in our life? Or do we study to make excuses or to overlook what the bible says? What would of happen if the Reformer Martin Luther said ''It dos not matter what the bible says about faith''and failed to remind them what living by faith ment and said ''tradition is more important"? Its not really a brimstone and fire follow God out of fear your going to burn, rather its a movement to remember what was lost Exo 20:8 says: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Faith dos not come by tradition and Sunday worship is only tradition. Would you like to grow in your faith?

"God is Love" and he made a "Law of Love". The 10 commandments show us how to love God first then man and for us to remember how Gods love is written upon every open bud upon every spire of springing grass. God made man perfectly holy and happy and the fair earth as it came from the Creators hand bore no blight of decay or shadow of the curse.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.


1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and the lack of it is nothing. But keeping what God commands is everything.

Do we love God? and how do we show this love? The bible is clear...
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Again more verses with no undersranding.

If God does not dwell in buildings made with human hands, why then believe He only goes to church on Saturday to listen to the praise of His children?

So from you is that a yes or a no by YOUR understanding? Are they doomed for eternity?
 
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Laodicea

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ALL HERE WHO BELIEVE IN A LITERAL SABBATH, DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO WORSHIP ON SUNDAY, OR DON'T AT ALL ON SATURADAY ARE ALL DOOMED FOR ETERNITY?

IF SO STATE IT PLAINLY AND STOP COWERING BEHIND VERSES YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SUCH, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT??
Why would you even ask a question like this when Christ is the judge.
 
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LawofLove

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Again more verses with no undersranding.

If God does not dwell in buildings made with human hands, why then believe He only goes to church on Saturday to listen to the praise of His children?

So from you is that a yes or a no by YOUR understanding? Are they doomed for eternity?
Are you saying you don't understand those verses?

And I ask you if we disobey God what happens?

The will of God is that we love him right?

Do you love him?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

If you still don't understand ask the Lord for his spirit and he will bring you in to all truth. And after you hear the truth hear the words of James

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
 
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Why would you even ask a question like this when Christ is the judge.
Is not Christ IN you?

1 Corinthians 3:15-16

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
 
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Laodicea

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Is not Christ IN you?

1 Corinthians 3:15-16

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
What is your point. We speak of the Sabbath of the Lord it is His day but, it is not our place to condemn only Christ is the judge.