Sabbath made for Man

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GandalfTheWhite

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sparkman said:
There is no record that man observed the Sabbath prior to Genesis. God ceased his work after the sixth day. By the way, the seventh day had no end according to Scripture. Unlike the rest of the days, it was not marked by "and the evening and the morning were the seventh day". I think the reason is that the seventh day points to God's redemptive plan.

One thing that is interesting is that the Seventh Day Adventists believe Adam kept the Sabbath because their "prophetess" Ellen G. White had a revelation. Even she had to make up some "proof" that Sabbath has been kept perpetually. Since she uttered many false prophecies, though, I don't see how they can give her much credibility.
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Man prior to Genesis... interesting :confused:

And good to know we are still busy with the seventh day of creation :)
 
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sparkman said:
There is no record that man observed the Sabbath prior to Genesis. God ceased his work after the sixth day. By the way, the seventh day had no end according to Scripture. Unlike the rest of the days, it was not marked by "and the evening and the morning were the seventh day". I think the reason is that the seventh day points to God's redemptive plan.
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So the "non changing" God kept the Sabbath at the end of His creation, then He left it out of His covenant for a thousand years or so. He re-instituted it with Moses... and then poof gone again. Wow, no wonder the world is confused by the message of the church today.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Thank you for explaining to us (again) that God did change. The path of the dry cistern of religion...
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God never changed. His laws did. Galatians 3 is clear in that regard. The Old Covenant was only in effect until Christ's coming. To equate God with the Ten Commandments is blasphemous. God is total holiness and cannot be reduced to a list of rules.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
So the "non changing" God kept the Sabbath at the end of His creation, then He left it out of His covenant for a thousand years or so. He re-instituted it with Moses... and then poof gone again. Wow, no wonder the world is confused by the message of the church today.
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The Sabbath was a sign between God and the nation of Israel. How could it be a sign of uniqueness if the Sabbath was being observed by others prior to Exodus? This is pretty basic. Think, man.
 
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sparkman said:
The Sabbath was a sign between God and the nation of Israel. How could it be a sign of uniqueness if the Sabbath was being observed by others prior to Exodus? This is pretty basic. Think, man.
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Do you think Adam, Abraham, Noah etc kept the Torah or not?
 
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The Torah did not even exist then. They obeyed God's commandments that applied to THEM.
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How did Noah know what animals are clean and what animals are unclean because this information was only given to Moses?
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
How did Noah know what animals are clean and what animals are unclean because this information was only given to Moses?
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God instructed Noah on whatever he wanted him to know. If you're claiming that Noah knew about the Old Covenant though, you are in the vast minority of opinion. I don't have the burden of proof..you do. :)

God's law can be as simple as "don't eat the fruit", as it was with Adam and Eve, or as complicated and ritualistic as it was under the Old Covenant. Those who follow God are obedient to what applies to THEM.
 
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sparkman said:
God instructed Noah on whatever he wanted him to know. If you're claiming that Noah knew about the Old Covenant though, you are in the vast minority of opinion. I don't have the burden of proof..you do. :)

God's law can be as simple as "don't eat the fruit", as it was with Adam and Eve, or as complicated and ritualistic as it was under the Old Covenant. Those who follow God are obedient to what applies to THEM.
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Well I know that God rested on the seventh day and it was important enough for Him to write it down when He discussed it with one of the greatest prophets that ever lived. If it was so important to Him I will take my chances with God... rather than the cistern religion. If we can't trust God's handwriting who can we trust, right? :)
 
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OK. I've already presented the Scriptural proofs that the Sabbath was part of the Old Covenant law, and that the Old Covenant law applies to no one anymore. It's God who removes the veil anyways.

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Well I know that God rested on the seventh day and it was important enough for Him to write it down when He discussed it with one of the greatest prophets that ever lived. If it was so important to Him I will take my chances with God... rather than the cistern religion. If we can't trust God's handwriting who can we trust, right? :)
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OK. I've already presented the Scriptural proofs that the Sabbath was part of the Old Covenant law, and that the Old Covenant law applies to no one anymore. It's God who removes the veil anyways.
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Sparkman, there is no salvation in the keeping of the Sabbath, never was. That is the doctrine of the SDA church... Salvation was always by faith (like explained to you in Galatians 3). Even Paul tells you to not abolish the law but because we don't understand Paul we like to quote him out of context. Like you said, I can't convince you of the truth... only Holy Spirit.

Rather trust God than man made doctrines...
 
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Sparkman, there is no salvation in the keeping of the Sabbath, never was. That is the doctrine of the SDA church... Salvation was always by faith (like explained to you in Galatians 3). Even Paul tells you to not abolish the law but because we don't understand Paul we like to quote him out of context. Like you said, I can't convince you of the truth... only Holy Spirit.

Rather trust God than man made doctrines...
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Galatians 3 is clear. The Old Covenant was only in effect until Christ came. There is no room for any other interpretation.
 
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Galatians 3 is clear. The Old Covenant was only in effect until Christ came. There is no room for any other interpretation.
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The covenants, both old and new, are only the containers of God's word. The contents (wine) held in both of them are the everlasting words of God Almighty. Man then doesn't live by the covenants, but by every word God has ever spoken.
 
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The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17). The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant (Ex 31:18, 34:28; Deut 4:13, 9:9, 11). The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor 3:4-18, Gal 3:17-25, Heb 8:13-9:4). The Sabbath, therefore, is not in effect for anyone (Gal 4:10, Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17). Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb 9:15; Jn 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10). The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn 13:34).
The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant between God and Israel (Ex. 31:16-17). A sign is an identifying mark, and the Sabbath identified the nation of Israel as distinct from the other nations. Christians are not parties to the Old Covenant, which was between God and Israel.
 
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sparkman said:
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17).The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant (Ex 31:18, 34:28; Deut 4:13, 9:9, 11).The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor 3:4-18, Gal 3:17-25, Heb 8:13-9:4).The Sabbath, therefore, is not in effect for anyone (Gal 4:10, Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17).Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb 9:15; Jn 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10).The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn 13:34).
The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant between God and Israel (Ex. 31:16-17).A sign is an identifying mark, and the Sabbath identified the nation of Israel as distinct from the other nations.Christians are not parties to theOld Covenant, which was between God and Israel.
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As I said, the covenants are the containers. During the millennial reign of Christ. the feast of tabernacles will be observed according to prophecy. With each of the Old Covenant feasts, God makes a Sabbath within them. Scripture doesn't say which day of the week it is. It's a Sabbath to do the will of God, and not our own works. The wine (word of God) contained in the bottles/wineskins is good to consume.

"Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, (more than one) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them." Ezekiel 20:12

Notice that the sign of the Sabbaths (plural) doesn't specify a particular day every week. Both Exodus and Ezekiel mention the sign of the Sabbath (in those 3 cases) in plural form, describing them as more than just one individual day. I think this is important to recognize that Sabbaths is not a certain day according to the Gregorian calendar. It's the same thing with Passover. The Passover is actually the lamb, not the day in which it was slaughtered. Jewish tradition focuses more on the day rather than the true representation of both Sabbath and Passover. There is nothing wrong with observing a day, but that is secondary to the reality of their intent.
 
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The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17). The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant (Ex 31:18, 34:28; Deut 4:13, 9:9, 11). The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor 3:4-18, Gal 3:17-25, Heb 8:13-9:4). The Sabbath, therefore, is not in effect for anyone (Gal 4:10, Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17). Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb 9:15; Jn 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10). The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn 13:34).
The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant between God and Israel (Ex. 31:16-17). A sign is an identifying mark, and the Sabbath identified the nation of Israel as distinct from the other nations. Christians are not parties to the Old Covenant, which was between God and Israel.
 
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AuphirahQueen, do you realize that by setting up a new handle, you are sinning? You are being deceptive in trying to avoid your ban.
 
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