Sabbath Obligation?

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SoulWeaver

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I guess you are calling Paul a liar when he explains the Sabbath rest we have in Jesus (Hebrews 3:7- 4:11)
Jesus commanded us to follow Him and take up our cross.
Dead to self following Jesus ===> "resting from our own works like God did from His" ===> Sabbath
 

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Christmas: Pagan winter solstice, rebirth of the sun god in sun worship.

Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th (A Lie), if you desire to follow a lie it's on you.

A piece of music by a human being has no authority over biblical instruction.
You are so mired in legalism, I actually feel sorry for you.
Go tell the angels they were celebrating something pagan.
Quit bringing up Dec 25th, we all know that isn't the actual date.
 

Truth7t7

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I guess you are calling Paul a liar when he explains the Sabbath rest we have in Jesus (Hebrews 3:7- 4:11)
No place in the Holy Bible has God's Ten Commandments been replaced or revoked.

1 John 2:1-4KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 

Truth7t7

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You are so mired in legalism, I actually feel sorry for you.
Go tell the angels they were celebrating something pagan.
Quit bringing up Dec 25th, we all know that isn't the actual date.
"Legalism"?

Sounds like a liberal Democrat in the USA claiming Racist, Racist, Racist, against the truth of a conservative Christian to silence their voice :)
 

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No place in the Holy Bible has God's Ten Commandments been replaced or revoked.

1 John 2:1-4KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
You need to learn that those 10 Commandments are now written on our hearts and are lived out from the inside out, not outward observances of days, weeks, full moons etc.
What time does your Sabbath start? Jerusalem time, NY, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles?
 

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"Legalism"?

Sounds like a liberal Democrat in the USA claiming Racist, Racist, Racist, against the truth of a conservative Christian to silence their voice :)
Well I guess because Paul wrote Galatians you would consider him as Antifa.
 

Truth7t7

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You need to learn that those 10 Commandments are now written on our hearts and are lived out from the inside out, not outward observances of days, weeks, full moons etc.
What time does your Sabbath start? Jerusalem time, NY, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles?
The 7th day Sabbath starts at (Sundown) Friday, until (Sundown) Saturday, perhaps you need to get caught up :)

Other parts of the world dosent play a part, (Sundown) to (Sundown)

The verses quoted in Collosians 2:16-17 seen below, was speaking to the believers that were following the New Moons And Sabbath Days, that were being judged by others.

As clearly seen below in Isaiah 66:22-23 below, the New Moons And Sabbath Days Are (ETERNAL) and will be observed in the (ETERNAL) New Heavens and Earth.

Collosians 2:16-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
 

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Jesus commanded us to follow Him and take up our cross.
Dead to self following Jesus ===> "resting from our own works like God did from His" ===> Sabbath
Yes, I rest in the fact that Jesus kept the law perfectly in my stead and through faith He credits His righteousness to my account. I rest in that fact.
 

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The 7th day Sabbath starts at (Sundown) Friday, until (Sundown) Saturday, perhaps you need to get caught up :)

Other parts of the world dosent play a part, (Sundown) to (Sundown)
Sundown in Jerusalem or???
 

Truth7t7

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Yes, I rest in the fact that Jesus kept the law perfectly in my stead and through faith He credits His righteousness to my account. I rest in that fact.
You can rest in the cross of Calvary, however no place in the Holy Bible have the Ten Commandments been revoked or replaced.
 

Truth7t7

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Sundown in Jerusalem or???
Put on your thinking cap and try to use the info provided below to answer your very own question :)

Other parts of the world dosent play a part, (Sundown) to (Sundown)
 

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The 7th day Sabbath starts at (Sundown) Friday, until (Sundown) Saturday, perhaps you need to get caught up :)

Other parts of the world dosent play a part, (Sundown) to (Sundown)

The verses quoted in Collosians 2:16-17 seen below, was speaking to the believers that were following the New Moons And Sabbath Days, that were being judged by others.

As clearly seen below in Isaiah 66:22-23 below, the New Moons And Sabbath Days Are (ETERNAL) and will be observed in the (ETERNAL) New Heavens and Earth.

Collosians 2:16-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
(Gal 3:10)
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
(Gal 3:13)
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
(Gal 3:24-25)
 

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You can rest in the cross of Calvary, however no place in the Holy Bible have the Ten Commandments been revoked or replaced.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
(Gal 3:10)
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree
deemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
(Gal 3:13)
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
(Gal 3:24-25)
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
(Gal 3:24-25)



















































































































































I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
(Dan 7:8)
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
(Dan 7:11)
And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
(Dan 7:20)
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
(Dan 7:25)
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
(Dan 11:36)
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
(Rev 13:5-6)
 

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Put on your thinking cap and try to use the info provided below to answer your very own question :)

Other parts of the world dosent play a part, (Sundown) to (Sundown)
So do you live in Jerusalem to watch the sun go down, to keep the Feasts, to make animal Sacrifices?...all a shadow of things to come.
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't agree with calling Sundays "Christian sabbath" - that's inaccurate.
The principles of the sabbath (rest, worship, and good works) were transferred to the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10). Christians need to emphasize "the Lord's Day" -- not Sunday.
 
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WOW Cross,
you have shown your root - you don't believe that the Holy Commandments
are Eternal, inwardly and outwardly???
MATT. 5:17.
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
19.
Whosoever therefore shall 'break one of these least Commandments' and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them,
the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of Heaven.

it seems to us that you are caring a great burden from your past - it's just a mystery how our Saviour
intervenes at just the right time in order to help us find the correct order in order to move onward...
 

Truth7t7

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For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
(Gal 3:10)
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
(Gal 3:13)
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
(Gal 3:24-25)
The law of (ORDINANCES) was removed and nailed to the cross of Calvary.

No place in the Holy Bible have the Ten Commandments been revoked or replaced.

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the Ten Commandments, who you kidding!

Colossians 2:14KJV
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Will you try to make the commandments of God of none effect in (Sunday) observance, the Pharisees removed Honor The Father And Mother?

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the Ten Commandments, read and heed!

Matthew 15:4-8KJV
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother:
and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
 

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The law of (ORDINANCES) was removed and nailed to the cross of Calvary.

No place in the Holy Bible have the Ten Commandments been revoked or replaced.

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the Ten Commandments, who you kidding!

Colossians 2:14KJV
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Will you try to make the commandments of God of none effect in (Sunday) observance, the Pharisees removed Honor The Father And Mother?

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the Ten Commandments, read and heed!

Matthew 15:4-8KJV
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother:
and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
You are arguing with Paul not me. All I did was quote Paul.
Don't worry, your aberrant theology will be straightened out on Judgment Day.
 

WithinReason

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What day did Christ die? :)
Scripturally, the 6th day of the week (Genesis 1:24-31, 2:7-8,21-22, in which the first Adam slept, and so too the second/last (1 Corinthians 15:45-47)), which is also known as the "preparation" day (Exodus 16:5; Luke 23:54-56), and being that year, in AD 31, in the first month, Abib/Nisan (Exodus 12;18; Leviticus 23:5; Numbers 9:3,5, 28:16; Joshua 5:10; 2 Chronicles 35:1; Ezra 6:19; Ezekiel 45:21), the 14th day of the Month (Exodus 12:6), at the feast of the Passover, and it's preparation (John 19:14), being crucified in the time of the morning sacrifice (circa 9AM; Mark 15:25; Numbers 28:4), and died at the time of the evening sacrifice (circa 3PM; Matthew 27:45-46; Mark 15:33-34; Luke 23:44; Deuteronomy 16:6), for as it is written:

Mat_26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Joh_13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

1Co_5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Thus, Jesus knew the exact "hour", "day", "month", and "Year" of His own death/sacrifice, even since He was 12 years of age (Luke 2:41-52).

What day was he born? :)
Tabernacles. It's why the inn was crowded.
 

Blik

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Pagans never observed a sabbath, so that is obviously false. Pagans dedicated the first day of the week to the sun god -- Sol, Helios, Apollo, -- but that is totally irrelevant, since pagans also dedicated the last day of the week to the pagan god Saturn, who is far more evil than Helios.

So if we make this the criterion for condemning the first day of the week, it turns out the the last day of the week is even more evil, since it is dedicated to a very evil deity. Today (and for a long time) the pagan names of the day of the week has absolutely no significance, since most of those names belong to Norse gods.

All this nonsense is meant tody the waters, since in the Bible the first day of the week (also the 8th day, and called "the morrow after the sabbath") is of great significance to God. Just as on the first day of creation God began His creative work in the natural realm, on the eighth day God began His redemptive work through Christ by raising Him from the dead. Thus the Feast of First Fruits and the Feast of Pentecost belong to the first day of the week. Christians should use the term "the Lord's Day" for the Christian sabbath, even while unbelieving Jews (and SDAs) observe the 7th day as their sabbath.
Obviously false? You have now established that you are a hostile person without a bit of trying to understand the truth of scripture by that statement. You know perfectly well that I am trying to explain the origins of Sunday as a day to go to church.

You ignored what I said in my post, going on with your human reasoning to convert the Lord's commands into something that is evil. I am sorry for you.